Sources???Nonsense. The troublemakers were FBI plants and BLM members in white face.
Ask the question again without sarcasmWhat kind of racism did you witness and/or experience in those harrowing days of your youth?
www.sarcasm.getrealSources???
Albany, Schenectady and Troy probably aren’t as bad as 10 miles or especially 20 miles outside of each, because of The Colleges/Universities.I grew up in Schenectady and there was ABSOLUTELY a separation of races in that region. There was also, without question, the prevalence of racist attitudes. Then again, there were also attitudes about Jews, Italians, Polish, WASPS, etc. Nobody was exempt from getting a stereotype tossed their way and, frankly, some of us played those stereotypes up. Then, when I was in the service, I ended up on duty with a black kid from somewhere in the south that kept calling me "sir". I was a little taken aback because we were both the same rank, doing the same job, etc. I asked him why he kept calling me "sir" and he told me it was because I was white and that's just the way things were where he was from. I just hadn't run into that before, giving someone deference merely because of their race. See, with all the racial and ethnic stereotypes where I came from there was still the underlying idea that those stereotypes only applied at a really superficial level and what REALLY made a difference was what kind of person you were.
Wow, it sounds like you and I grew up in the same area but have a very different take.Of course, not all of it, like say Ithaca or Rochester, but this article? I grew up around there, just South of Elise Stefanik's district and what this article writes about is no surprise.
Looking back at it, yea, I don't know how I survived around there.
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Of course, not all of it, like say Ithaca or Rochester, but this article? I grew up around there, just South of Elise Stefanik's district and what this article writes about is no surprise.
Looking back at it, yea, I don't know how I survived around there.
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Several people who gave me racially motivated teasing in school turned out to be MAGAs/Trumpsters as adultsWow, it sounds like you and I grew up in the same area but have a very different take.
I grew up in Saratoga County (just south of Stefanik's district). Although I left there a long time ago, I have zero memory of the area being racist or politically backward. At the time, my congressman was Republican, as was my town ... it has since shifted Democratic. Sorry, I just did not have the experience you had there. Now, you could go into rural areas around there and I suspect see similar politics that exists in many rural areas in America. When I look at Stefanik's district in the context of my experience there, it doesn't look that hard core red to me. Sure, its more Republican than not. That said, I do not have too much direct experience with extreme northern NY (Plattsburgh to Massena) the area along Lake Ontario. I suspect they are quite red having suffered from the de-industrialization of New York, which likely makes them have a MAGA affinity, which has a racist component to it. Though I don't believe all MAGAs are racist, just too many of them are. I did (and still do occassionaly) spent a fair amount of time in the Adirondacks. The residents there are generally Republican, but no one lives there. In my recent trips there, I never found overt racism.
That all said, I find that hard to believe (not in doubting sense, except maybe doubting my own recollection) that such activities happened in Ballston Spa, which is not in Stefanik's district.
Yes, now that we are having this discussion, I am wondering if Stefanik's going full MAGA is giving the racists permission to come out of their holes and display their racism full bore. The last time I was in the Adirondacks was 2019. I suppose things can change appreciably if the change is simply giving these people safe harbor to flaunt their hate. When they were underground, they were not seen, though they were there. I rarely experienced overt racism in that area.Several people who gave me racially motivated teasing in school turned out to be MAGAs/Trumpsters as adults
On my last visit there, Fall 21, in Saratoga, I didn’t see in 72 hours any Trump flags. However in Towns like Charlton and Renseeleer County, I saw at least 5
I think what happened there in Stefanik’s district (just like say Iowa) is while it’s 90% White well they usually voted Democrat and even voted for Obama both times or he barely lost. But when racist Trump ran in 15 your fired up these losers just enough to go out and vote and now the area is pretty darn red
Why?Ask the question again without sarcasm
I grew up in Schenectady and there was ABSOLUTELY a separation of races in that region. There was also, without question, the prevalence of racist attitudes. Then again, there were also attitudes about Jews, Italians, Polish, WASPS, etc. Nobody was exempt from getting a stereotype tossed their way and, frankly, some of us played those stereotypes up. Then, when I was in the service, I ended up on duty with a black kid from somewhere in the south that kept calling me "sir". I was a little taken aback because we were both the same rank, doing the same job, etc. I asked him why he kept calling me "sir" and he told me it was because I was white and that's just the way things were where he was from. I just hadn't run into that before, giving someone deference merely because of their race. See, with all the racial and ethnic stereotypes where I came from there was still the underlying idea that those stereotypes only applied at a really superficial level and what REALLY made a difference was what kind of person you were.
To be fair, there were parts of Schenectady that I wasn't welcome in too, because of my race. It's not like things were all one sided.And what do you think would have happened to the black kid if he was back home and did not say sir to the white folk?
That superficial racism enforced the underlying racism especially. It made it part of everyday life.
That black kid certainly knew that going to certain parts of town was not allowed. Going to certain stores would not be allowed. Heck he certainly knew that dating a white girl would not have been allowed.
As long as he followed those unwritten rules everything was fine
To be fair, there were parts of Schenectady that I wasn't welcome in too, because of my race. It's not like things were all one sided.
We weren't forcing anyone to live anywhere. The neighborhood I grew up in was significantly mixed race but there was absolutely a black neighborhood in town just as there is in most cities.Would that be the part white folks forced black folks into?
Black folks don't agreesively freak out when White Folks come into their community, maybe strange looks but that's it. Plus Schenectady doesn't have a heavily Black section. Quit trying to equate.To be fair, there were parts of Schenectady that I wasn't welcome in too, because of my race. It's not like things were all one sided.
Maybe things have changed since I left in 1988 but the Hamilton Hill neighborhood was pretty much all black and a great place to get mugged.Black folks don't agreesively freak out when White Folks come into their community, maybe strange looks but that's it. Plus Schenectady doesn't have a heavily Black section. Quit trying to equate.
If Saratoga was in Stefanik's District?? Most likely she loses.View attachment 67488611
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When my husband’s aunt and uncles were still alive, we would visit them in the Finger Lakes region and Rochester. It didn’t take long to see why the gay uncle moved to Rochester from Corning.
At that time it was rare for us to see someone in the Southern Tier who didn’t look Anglo. Traveling in that area made me realize how important a racially and ethnically mixed population was for me. A side trip to Toronto was a breath of fresh air; seeing downtown different cultures and hearing different accents and languages.
That said, the Finger Lakes Trail offers interesting hiking, as do old tow paths along abandoned canals. Beautiful country.
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