Apparently this just doesn't penetrate - there is no PRIVACY in a PUBLIC setting.
No nudity, no violation. Everything else is just indignant, whiny opinion and outrage.
No - that's where unreasonably difficult people wish to take silly arguments and unfounded beliefs.
Submission to feel good group think is never reasonable.
Are you kidding? It's a violation because a man is sticking a camera up a woman's skirt for perverted reasons.
Once again, I have to elaborate. Should it be "ok"? No. Should it be illegal? No.
I don't think smoking is "ok" either. Maybe we should make it to where if you light up, you get locked up.
Why? Because I know a LOT of parents that, if some creepo EVER tried to upskirt their underage daughter, the right to not just keep but bear arms would be swiftly and effectively used.
Furthermore, if said father dispatched said creepo, I would nominate the creepo's demise for a Darwin Award.
(This is in reference to the possibility of a 13-year-old's getting upskirted. See post #132 if you think I'm misquoting him.)
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Gipper. Listen to me carefully. Because if you seriously believe what you just wrote, you could be endangering your life.
Why? Because I know a LOT of parents that, if some creepo EVER tried to upskirt their underage daughter, the right to not just keep but bear arms would be swiftly and effectively used.
Furthermore, if said father dispatched said creepo, I would nominate the creepo's demise for a Darwin Award.
You know a LOT of crazy people.
It does not matter if her clothing is highly revealing. Or if she is wearing absolutely nothing at all.
Surely you are not somehow suggesting that a parent's natural and normal reaction to a threat of their children is out of line? I feel that I know far too much about human behavior, particularly that of parents, to take this bait. What Gipper, and possibly you, do not understand is that in every single mammal species that is near or at the top of the food chain, you don't mess with the young ones. Period. Parents, and not just human parents, are evolutionarily hardwired to deal with any kind of threat to their children in the manner necessary.
Oh, no, I'm not saying a reaction to having one's child embarrassed isn't natural. I'm saying that shooting the person who did it is the act of a crazy person. Absolutely loony-tunes.
A hidden look at panties justifying murder. Gee, you were SO close to not looking foolish too.
Also, my life wouldn't be in danger - since I don't and wouldn't do it.
Oh, no, I'm not saying a reaction to having one's child embarrassed isn't natural. I'm saying that shooting the person who did it is the act of a crazy person. Absolutely loony-tunes.
Let me ask you something. Do you believe people should be allowed to walk around without any clothes on in public if they want to?
Not "embarrassed." VIOLATED. Sexual harassment or assault does not have to involve penetration or even physical contact.
Christ, Maggie. I'm shocked that you, of all people, would downplay this so much. I would have thought you would have been one of the first to side against a sexual act against a minor.
Our society is too uptight for that to happen any time soon.
Why does Europe not have nearly as much of a problem with social nudity as we Americans do?
Well, here we have a court saying it's not even against the LAW. And here we have you saying a parent is within his right to shoot the guy. No, it's just not that big a deal. Would I report him? Would I try to get him prosecuted if I could? Yes. And yes. I would downplay the incident with my daughter and not make the biggest issue in the world over it. And I certainly wouldn't even contemplate taking someone's life over such a ridiculous thing as that.
Hell, a Peeping Tom is worse, in my opinion. You might get away with shooting him right at the time claiming you were in fear of your daughter's life . . . but if you saw him the next day and blew him away? Well, you've just lost your daughter a father. 'Cause your ass is going to be in jail.
Lordy.
Can we really have a problem, if women from the Show-Me State, just show us what they are all about in modern times?
So are you saying that people should have the right to go nude in pubic, but American society is not ready for it?
Off the top of my head, I honestly don't know. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on it though.
Yup. People would go ballistic and act like they had never seen boobs before. However, if we could just get over ourselves for awhile, I think that eventually, we would hardly even notice.
I'll have to condense my thoughts to a few sound bites so as not to derail this thread. However, I will say that it probably boils down to the fact that repeated exposure leads to destigmatization. That's why gynecologists can perform exams without there being the slightest hint of sexual arousal. After seeing genitalia for the 200th time, they're no more titillating than an elbow or an ear.
And we are going to have to agree to disagree that physical violence, even murder, is inherently worse than sexual violence.
Ok. I don't agree with you. I don't think they should be allowed to go nude in public. And it's for the same reasons that I don't think people should be allowed to photograph under a woman's skirt.
That's just my opinion
My response is that it's a good thing that people are aroused by nudity, but it should be reserved for private use.
Hold it. You're gonna condone an act of pedophilia but not murder? I invite the legal experts around here to clarify--if a parent has clear reason to believe that his or her child's safety is in imminent danger, then he or she has the legal right to use force to protect the child. I offer "upshirting" as a prime qualifier of this--and remember, since I am offering a defense to a charge of homicide, my burden of proof is significantly lower than you might think.
Fair enough; we can agree do disagree. Just remember, nudity does not have to be inherently sexual.
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