Unreported Israeli Terror

[Makhno]

International Middle East Media Center - Palestine Today - January 2, 2007

Day in day out, people. And yet . . . we never hear about it.

 

[Vader]

International Middle East Media Center - Palestine Today - January 2, 2007

Day in day out, people. And yet . . . we never hear about it.

That is a Palestinian propaganda page and it has ZERO credibility.

Furthermore, regarding the ages of the detainees, 99% of the blame in thier involvement falls squarely on Palestinian shoulders. If Palestinian children were not being indoctriniated by islam-o-nazism during their primary school years they would not be involved in terrorist acts, which are ultimately the reason for their detention.

Again, the Palestinians are at fault because they love to hate jews and non-islamics more than they love their own children.

 

[Makhno]

That is a Palestinian propaganda page and it has ZERO credibility.

Furthermore, regarding the ages of the detainees, 99% of the blame in thier involvement falls squarely on Palestinian shoulders. If Palestinian children were not being indoctriniated by islam-o-nazism during their primary school years they would not be involved in terrorist acts, which are ultimately the reason for their detention.

Again, the Palestinians are at fault because they love to hate jews and non-islamics more than they love their own children.

I trust that source as much as I would a weastern based source.

For the most part resistance has come from outside the OT, and yet Israel continued with the occupation (I mean the idea was to move out the population). As for the whole Jew hating thing, it's only natural that they would feel resentment towards Israel because of all they've been through. The Palestinians do not hate non-Muslims, like when those two guys were kinapped in Gaza, most there were ashamed about what happened. Also, a sizeable ammount of Palestinians are Christians.

 

[Shayah]

Day in day out, people. And yet . . . we never hear about it. The left-side ticker and column gives a quite different perspective than the OP link.

Israel Defense Forces Official Website - English

 

[Makhno]

Day in day out, people. And yet . . . we never hear about it. The left-side ticker and column gives a quite different perspective than the OP link.

Israel Defense Forces Official Website - English

Ahh yes, those child killing bastards. Now that, is a biased source.

 

[Shayah]

Ahh yes, those child killing bastards. Now that, is a biased source.

Awww. Did that spoil your lil propoganda thread? My bad. :mrgreen:

 

[cherokee]

Awww. Did that spoil your lil propoganda thread? My bad. :mrgreen:

Dont worry about him...

Its great to see ya back again!

 

[Makhno]

Awww. Did that spoil your lil propoganda thread? My bad. :mrgreen:

Well my source is an independant one, it is not the site of Hamas. When someone posts a link to the IDF, however . . .

Go figure

 

[Vader]

Ahh yes, those child killing bastards. Now that, is a biased source.

Those children died because their parents put them in the line of fire by indoctrinating them with hate. As a result, your whining will not win you or them any sympathy.

The palestinians are using their children as soldiers! Therefore, they can take their whining and shove it in their ear.

:shock:

 

[Vader]

International Middle East Media Center - Palestine Today - January 2, 2007

Day in day out, people. And yet . . . we never hear about it.

I think if I discovered some terrorist scum smuggling guns into my country... I would probably do exactly what the Israelis did.

The Palestinians use their children as weapons; therefore, they get no sympathy. Those responsible for the indoctrination of those children (Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hizb'allah) have innocent blood on their hands.

All of them need death.

 

[cherokee]

I think if I discovered some terrorist scum smuggling guns into my country... I would probably do exactly what the Israelis did.

The Palestinians use their children as weapons; therefore, they get no sympathy. Those responsible for the indoctrination of those children (Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hizb'allah) have innocent blood on their hands.

All of them need death.

But it wasnt weapons they were smuggling, It was gummy bears and kool-aid....:mrgreen:

 

[ashurbanipal]

Those children died because their parents put them in the line of fire by indoctrinating them with hate. As a result, your whining will not win you or them any sympathy.

The palestinians are using their children as soldiers! Therefore, they can take their whining and shove it in their ear.

You know, I'm curious to know if there are any examples of Palestinians committing acts of terror on anyone prior the beginings of modern Zionism. If this is some kind of generational hate complex, we'd expect to see it go back centuries. For instance, it's easy to see that the Germans had anti-semitic sentiment going back to the middle ages as there are many recorded instances of Jews being slaughtered en masse there. But I don't recall hearing of any instances of Palestinians bothering anyone before others started screwing around with them.

Perhaps someone can help me with that?

 

[Tashah]

You know, I'm curious to know if there are any examples of Palestinians committing acts of terror on anyone prior the beginings of modern Zionism. If this is some kind of generational hate complex, we'd expect to see it go back centuries. For instance, it's easy to see that the Germans had anti-semitic sentiment going back to the middle ages as there are many recorded instances of Jews being slaughtered en masse there. But I don't recall hearing of any instances of Palestinians bothering anyone before others started screwing around with them.

Perhaps someone can help me with that?

Good historical question. Hmmm. The Babylonians would enslave you and cart you off to who knows where. The Romans would crucify you. The Ottomans would boil you in palm oil. Fairly good reasons not to get too uppity.

Then again the term 'Palestinians' is a misnomer. Palestinia is an artificial Roman construct. One could also quite honestly posit that Jews never bothered anyone before others started screwing around with them.

 

[ashurbanipal]

The Babylonians would enslave you and cart you off to who knows where.

Actually, I think it was mainly to Babylon.

The Romans would crucify you. The Ottomans would boil you in palm oil. Fairly good reasons not to get too uppity.

You think that if the Israelis started doing that, the Palestinians would settle down?

Then again the term 'Palestinians' is a misnomer.

Sure, but that only avoids the issue. There are people living in towns and camps inside Israel right now that weren't grown in a lab (i.e. they have ancestors) and are known to the world as Palestinians. Now, if those people, whatever you might like to call them, have some kind of generational hate complex as Vader and others have suggested, I'd like to see the historical evidence that supports that assertion.

One could also quite honestly posit that Jews never bothered anyone before others started screwing around with them.

As long as you're willing to view Torah and Joshua as being historically inaccurate, this is quite correct.

But there's no need to go back that far; and I would admit that at least since the Middle Ages, the Jews have been long-suffering. The question is hardly deflected that way, though--the Jews were never entirely ejected from what is now Israel, and they seemed to live in relative peace with the Palestinians until the late nineteenth century or so, when violence from both the Jews and the Palestinians began to errupt and escalate.

So, if the Palestinians are simply bad people who all deserve to die, why would we see that pattern, rather than some other, much more violent pattern?

 

[MSgt]

Why is it that it is always the "very Liberal" that desperately cling to any notion that an Israeli might have bad breath? And why is it that the "very Liberal" are never short of excuses not to help there fellow man, but give their unwavering support to the most conservative fundamentalists on the planet?

You people are lost. Lost in a dream world called utopia where all residents have the luxury of pretending they belong to a higher plain of existence who can't understand us mortals in reality. Reality is about choosing a side. Those that choose to side with terrorists and human monsters have decided to sleep with their own would be murderers.

Of course, choosing to parade around every American or Isreali imperfection is more about hating Americans and Jews than it is supporting terrorists. The hate of the Global Left and the Radical Islamists make natural allies.

But I would like to reply to this.....

So, if the Palestinians are simply bad people who all deserve to die, why would we see that pattern, rather than some other, much more violent pattern?

Why is it that Palestinian supporters always feel that by attempting to introduce the rediculous notion that Israeli supporters claim that "Palestinians are all bad and deserve to die?" Is this an attempt at credibility?

The truth is that the British drew in the Israeli lines and the UN blessed it. It was the Arabs from surrounding areas that chose to use their historical hatreds for Jews that fueled Palestinian rage. The ironic thing is that Saudi Arabs regard palestinians as inferior and they see them as too unpredictable and creative (much like Israelis). The House of Saud would like nothing better than to watch the Isreali/Palestinian conflict continue until the end of time. Were Palestinians to ever achieve what the apostles of terror wish (the destruction of Israel), they would never be allowed their freedom. Palestinians should have rolled up their sleeves a long time ago and embraced a companionship with Jews for social gains and progress instead of allowing themselves to be pawns of hatred by Arabs elsewhere.

The only thing stopping Palestinians from gaining true peace and freedom is Palestinians and their Arab cheerleaders who need the distraction of this conflict. Everything else regarding "Jewish invaders," "Muslim land," and "historical ownership" is smoke used to cloud the truth.

 

[Red_Dave]

I think if I discovered some terrorist scum smuggling guns into my country... I would probably do exactly what the Israelis did.

The Palestinians use their children as weapons; therefore, they get no sympathy. Those responsible for the indoctrination of those children (Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hizb'allah) have innocent blood on their hands.

All of them need death.

All palestinians need death?

 

[Tashah]

Sure, but that only avoids the issue. There are people living in towns and camps inside Israel right now that weren't grown in a lab (i.e. they have ancestors) and are known to the world as Palestinians. Now, if those people, whatever you might like to call them, have some kind of generational hate complex as Vader and others have suggested, I'd like to see the historical evidence that supports that assertion.

I do not speak for Vader and others nor answer for them.

As far as the contemporary landscape, Israelis and Palestinians have been engaged in struggle for at least sixty years. Such a span of time would certainly imply a generational entanglement.

But there's no need to go back that far; and I would admit that at least since the Middle Ages, the Jews have been long-suffering. The question is hardly deflected that way, though--the Jews were never entirely ejected from what is now Israel, and they seemed to live in relative peace with the Palestinians until the late nineteenth century or so, when violence from both the Jews and the Palestinians began to errupt and escalate.

As long as the Jews remained disenfranchised and compliant, violence was indeed muted.

So, if the Palestinians are simply bad people who all deserve to die, why would we see that pattern, rather than some other, much more violent pattern?

I live in Israel and know many Palestinians on a personal level. I think it's disingenuous at best to paint all Palestinians with such a narrow brush.

 

[Vader]

All palestinians need death?

No, just Hamas.

 

[Vader]

I do not speak for Vader and others nor answer for them.

As far as the contemporary landscape, Israelis and Palestinians have been engaged in struggle for at least sixty years. Such a span of time would certainly imply a generational entanglement.


As long as the Jews remained disenfranchised and compliant, violence was indeed muted.


I live in Israel and know many Palestinians on a personal level. I think it's disingenuous at best to paint all Palestinians with such a narrow brush.

I believe there are good people in all parts of the world; I happen to know for a given fact that the few bad apples among them tend to overshadow them with an image of negativity.

When I post things like "they need death" I am only referencing the few bad apples in the bunch. I do not in any way mean to apply that the wholesale slaughter of any population is necessary or should be carried out.

As to the assertion that the radical spread of hate in Palestine is generational in nature, I totally agree. The Palestinians participate in the abhorent practice of indoctrination their children during their [children's] primary education. This has the effect of creating generation after generation of misguided individuals who are willing to commit suicide bomb attacks.

I believe the first step to creating peace in the region is to find those responsible for the indocrination and remove them from society. The second step in this process would be the removal of Islam from the government of Palestine, which would then allow the populace to evolve past the very outdated practice of sharia law.

Once these things have been acomplished, we can then work to remove radical influence from the area by eliminating all Iranian and Syrian influence over groups in the area. This step is important because it will remove weapons from the hands of the terrorists and force them to sit down and negotiate for peace.

Once peace has been acheived this area we can then use our work here as a template to achieve peace on a more global scale.

:mrgreen:

 

[ashurbanipal]

Why is it that Palestinian supporters always feel that by attempting to introduce the rediculous notion that Israeli supporters claim that "Palestinians are all bad and deserve to die?" Is this an attempt at credibility?

I was responding to a statement by Vader, extant in this thread, in which he said that all Palestinians deserve death.

Perhaps we all deserve death (we will all die, after all....). But I think Vader's comments were meant in a rather more immediate fashion.

In any case, it's a simple question that I've asked, and has nothing to do with my actual positions, one way or another (you'll notice that I don't actually claim to be "very liberal").

 

[Vader]

I was responding to a statement by Vader, extant in this thread, in which he said that all Palestinians deserve death.

Perhaps we all deserve death (we will all die, after all....). But I think Vader's comments were meant in a rather more immediate fashion.

In any case, it's a simple question that I've asked, and has nothing to do with my actual positions, one way or another (you'll notice that I don't actually claim to be "very liberal").

I addressed this issue once before but I will restate myself for your benefit. My comments were directed at Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the rest of the bad seeds in the Palestinian populace. At no time did I mean to imply that "all Palestinians" needed death.

I do not believe in genocide; however, I have no reservation in killing hardline terrorists. It's the same sentiment I feel toward nazis, neo-nazis, white supremists, and various other hatemongers. :mrgreen:

 

[cherokee]

I addressed this issue once before but I will restate myself for your benefit. My comments were directed at Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the rest of the bad seeds in the Palestinian populace. At no time did I mean to imply that "all Palestinians" needed death.

I do not believe in genocide; however, I have no reservation in killing hardline terrorists. It's the same sentiment I feel toward nazis, neo-nazis, white supremists, and various other hatemongers. :mrgreen:

I agree but I would also add "Any one who supports those groups as well".

 

[jujuman13]

Quote by Vader
(Once these things have been acomplished, we can then work to remove radical influence from the area by eliminating all Iranian and Syrian influence over groups in the area. This step is important because it will remove weapons from the hands of the terrorists and force them to sit down and negotiate for peace.

Once peace has been acheived this area we can then use our work here as a template to achieve peace on a more global scale.)
Thank you for your imformative idea's.
It must seem very reassuring to you to be able to exist in cloud cuckoo land.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

An observation: Some of the posts in this thread indicate how words, hastily stated, can be overgeneralizations and then perceived as prejudicial. I would think and hope that no one here wants to see all Palestinians or Muslims dead, but, rather, are angered by the behaviors of extremists. Being aware of this and aiming shots at intended targets is very effective and tends to not hit/anger the unintended

Just a brief interlude while y'all reload. :mrgreen:

 

[Vader]

Quote by Vader
(Once these things have been acomplished, we can then work to remove radical influence from the area by eliminating all Iranian and Syrian influence over groups in the area. This step is important because it will remove weapons from the hands of the terrorists and force them to sit down and negotiate for peace.

Once peace has been acheived this area we can then use our work here as a template to achieve peace on a more global scale.)
Thank you for your imformative idea's.
It must seem very reassuring to you to be able to exist in cloud cuckoo land.

Oh you mean the land where the radical islamic clerics live?

:mrgreen: