Internships should be barred from being free. Simply put, there are too many companies that abuse the privilege.
Companies DO get something out of it as well, and as such should pay at least minimum wage.
The person has to prove themselves just like in anything else.
It is assumed that the graduate from college knows nothing, and rightly so.
After the person can prove they can handle the job, then yes sometimes it turns into a paid position.
If the worker doesn't have a problem with it, why should you?
It sounds like these few youngsters didn't learn what they needed to learn the first time.
Why didn't they use their experience to seek out other opportunities?
And please don't say they are not out there.
Anybody that is being taken advantage of, is allowing that to happen.
According to your logic, we should pay people to go to college. Sounds like a great entitlement program which will stimulate the economy instead of forcing debt down the throats of younger people.
According to your logic, we should pay people to go to college. Sounds like a great entitlement program which will stimulate the economy instead of forcing debt down the throats of younger people.
Why are unpaid internships illegal? They are illegal because there is a contract between the employer and the intern. What is the difference between volunteering and interning? According to wikidiff,
Robert Reich explains why internships should be for the benefit of the intern, not the employer.
i am sorry
i missed the part where the interns have guns to their heads, and are being whipped into compliance by their masters
people have choices....they can choose to go into a field where experience is a must, and then decide how they are going to get that experience
or they can go into a different field altogether
do you think the big banks on wall street care if they have interns?
or major law firms?
getting an internship at a prestigious law firm is a boon to the student, not the firm
sure the firm gets a non pay employee for a couple of months....a gopher for the most part
the students gets a NICE letter of recommendation and a hell of a reference to put on their resume
win/win
all choices....isnt being free to make them great
I'm free to call employers out on their ****. If they're good enough to be working on your job then they're good enough to be paid. If you don't feel they are good enough to take on then how about not accepting their labor at all.
No, it's not, because according to the Department of Labor, that would be illegal. Call it what it is: volunteer work, not an internship.
Which is more important, possibly not destroying the market or making sure that workers' lives are definitely not destroyed by providing a livable wage?
Here's something to consider: if the interns refuse employment, how do they stand to benefit? Perhaps we should just let them starve? Oh that's right, they have to accept employment because the opportunities for sucksess include: 1) kissing ass and 2) taking names.
Ah, yes. The old "all or nothing" argument. Common among tyrants and criminals!Destroy the market and you'll only make sure that NOBODY earns a wage...livable or not.
no one is forcing them to be an intern
and sorry but kissing ass is a corporate must....especially just starting out
so are long hours, crappy pay, and starting at the bottom
welcome to the world of business....
dont like it....start your own damn business, and be your own damn boss
until then, those with the gold make the rules....or didnt you learn that lesson when you were young
1) College is nothing but learning. The school gets back nothing, except tuition.That is not my logic, that is the logic of the other poster I was answering.
I asked him how much a person should be paid to go to college. They are after all using their time to learn, just as in an internship.
I don't see a difference.
Why are unpaid internships illegal? They are illegal because there is a contract between the employer and the intern. What is the difference between volunteering and interning? According to wikidiff,
Robert Reich explains why internships should be for the benefit of the intern, not the employer.
Ah, yes. The old "all or nothing" argument. Common among tyrants and criminals!
Here's an idea: instead of forcing the people with the skills to make a career to do the dirty work of people who have gone to seed, why don't we reward the people who do the actual work? Oh, that's right, the thugs with the gold have "connections," aka monopoly power over resources. That's basically just class warfare, isn't it?
Why are unpaid internships illegal? They are illegal because there is a contract between the employer and the intern. What is the difference between volunteering and interning? According to wikidiff,
Robert Reich explains why internships should be for the benefit of the intern, not the employer.
Ah, yes. The old "all or nothing" argument. Common among tyrants and criminals!
How do you know they are good enough until they start working?
This would have merit if you were talking about a case in which someone had been forced to take an internship they didn't want to do. Ultimately Students don't HAVE to take internships. It's just really useful. In college I did not take an internship, and wish my college had a good internship program so I could have gotten in on the ground floor of a major tech corporation instead of floundering around unemployed at some points and at some points with monthly contract gigs. That is not how I wanted to live my life. I'm lucky now I even found the job I did in my field.
Plus students get credit for internships and they oftentimes get to get in on the ground floor of a company. they otherwise wouldn't have been even considered in a pile of resumes.
Is this topic just an extension of the minimum wage argument?
Shrug...
It's you who proposes destroying a market, which means nobody has a job, is a better thing to do than pay people for their marketable value.
sigh...
The sure sign that you have exhausted your argument...and still lost...is when you devolve into hyperbole.
You are dismissed.
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Just using sarcasm to point out your hyperbole. Sorry you got all butt hurt by being called on it, and then unable to respond in a meaningful way other then faux indignation..sigh...
The sure sign that you have exhausted your argument...and still lost...is when you devolve into hyperbole.
You are dismissed.
Sarcastically, but yes.I think he was paraphrasing your argument... so... uh... :2wave:
The problem is people are allowing themselves to be exploited. If the guy offers you a deal where you provide them your labor for nothing in return you should tell them to **** themselves and walk out the door.
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