The idea of the tax cuts was to stimulate economic growth, the tax cuts worked China is doing great so is India. Their are still many third world countries that can use the economic stimulus that our tax dollars will provide so lets leave the tax cuts in place
=Catawba;1059355787]Its not the facts, it is your interpretation of the facts. That was not a problem with the tax rates under our socialist parents and their progressive tax rates. If the tax cuts had actually produced more jobs, you would have a point. But history tells us that trickle down theory was a failure in practice.
We've tried that for 30 years and it ain't working. How about we make education and skills training a priority in this country so they have the best workforce in the world, and provide national healthcare so corporations don't have compete with companies in countries where the government provides the healthcare?
We haven't, the effective tax rate is as low or lower than most of the rest of the world. Greed is what led those we gave the tax breaks to desert those that support them.
Okay … if thats what you think … then tell me who is going to create the jobs we need ?? Are you ?
It worked pretty damn well for nearly 20,
then we started shipping jobs out of this country. you need to face the facts, we have lost our industrial jobs, those were the job that kept our middle class going.
We are becoming a service oriented country, and no amount of education, is going to make service jobs pay well.
Health care, hmmm you want it here, and nearly every country that has it, is trying to get out from under it ... doesn't sound like a good plan to me.
I said nothing about taxes, I said we "waged" ourselves out of the global marketplace.
It was you saying I have been incessantly whining when all I did was point out facts of the system. You went and drama queened your way in with the childish penis jokes while sitting on your high horse which was on your soap box.
Catawba;1059355872]Did corporations stop producing jobs when we had a progressive tax system? Please provide proof of this.
Yes, 20 years of deficit spending because we didn't have enough money to pay our bills, until Clinton raised taxes slightly. Then Bush lowered them again and we've had deficit spending for another ten years. All the while, the standard of the middle class declined. The rich did get richer but that's as far as the benefit was felt.
Yes, greed, don't you love it? We give them tax breaks and they turn their backs on us. I say we break them lose. Why should we continue to support those that take jobs overseas?
Without education, we aren't going anywhere. We just continue our decline.
Try reading learning about health care in other countries from sources other than Fox and you get an entirely different picture. We have the most expensive health care system in the world and get poorer results for all our people.
Yes, I know that is your opinion. However, many of us feel we do not need to lower workers wages and living conditions to those of dictator run countries to compete.
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Thats not what I said, or what I asked ... you deflect rather then answer, so tell me who is it that is going to create the jobs .. thats what was asked of you.
Raised taxes slightly? It was the largest tax increase ever in our country. He cut defense spending drastically, raided SS to help balance his budget, and with all that .. still the debt ran up to the tune of 1.5 trillion dollars.
Now I'll give you that was better then any recent president. But 1.5 trillion more in debt is nothing to sneeze at either. Face the facts, revenue rose nearly every year since 1980, and spending rose even more. It's not a taxation problem … it's a spending problem.
Go ahead cut them loose, sounds like a great plan, right now the top 1% pays 28% of all taxes paid, now once we cut them loose...... who is going to make up that 680 billion they pay in taxes??
I”m not against education, but it doesn't matter how well educated you are, if there are no jobs for that great education to go to.
Get off your idiotic high horse, I have researched it, and it's breaking more countries then it's not. While our costs are too high, and need fixing, we still have great doctors, hospitals and technology and the people in hospitals receive excellent care. I certainly don't see any of our people leaving this country for health care.
We all know your opinion as well, and many of us feel that to get out of this everyone is going to have to suffer some.
So in your opinion what is going to happen to help us get out of this? We need jobs big business is not going to build here, why should they?Where are the jobs going to come from? How do we save our economy? Do you really think that cutting more jobs is the answer, the only thing cutting more jobs does is it delays the inevitable economic slide we are in
so tell me who is it that is going to create the jobs ..
Raised taxes slightly? It was the largest tax increase ever in our country. He cut defense spending drastically, raided SS to help balance his budget, and with all that .. still the debt ran up to the tune of 1.5 trillion dollars.
Now I'll give you that was better then any recent president. But 1.5 trillion more in debt is nothing to sneeze at either.
Face the facts, revenue rose nearly every year since 1980, and spending rose even more. It's not a taxation problem … it's a spending problem.
Go ahead cut them loose, sounds like a great plan, right now the top 1% pays 28% of all taxes paid, now once we cut them loose...... who is going to make up that 680 billion they pay in taxes??
I”m not against education, but it doesn't matter how well educated you are, if there are no jobs for that great education to go to.
Get off your idiotic high horse, I have researched it, and it's breaking more countries then it's not. While our costs are too high, and need fixing, we still have great doctors, hospitals and technology and the people in hospitals receive excellent care. I certainly don't see any of our people leaving this country for health care.
We all know your opinion as well, and many of us feel that to get out of this everyone is going to have to suffer some.
Are you saying you DONT believe the private sector is going to be THE source and creation for sustained economic growth?
Walmart is the largest employer in the USA, MacDonalds is number 2, Does Walmart manufacture some thing? MacDonalds sells fast food right?
What incentive does private business have to invest in the USA?
Unless we "the government" offer an incentive for businesses to invest in America why would they, if the last 10 years predict the future what do you think is going to happen that going to change the economic slide we are in right now?
Most of government expenditures is to protect the wealth of the rich.
No one is suggesting tax hikes. We are talking about discontinuing the tax cuts to the wealthy, so that the middle class can remain middle class without further sliding into the poor class. We had no problems with job creation when we had a progressive tax system.
By discontinuing the temporary tax cuts to the rich along with spending cuts, we begin to rebuild the middle class and pay down our national debt.
more mindless horsepoop- most of the government expenditures are not designed to protect the wealth of the rich and you have provided no proof for that load of manure
you don't increase the middle class by taxing the rich
the income tax was supposed to be temporary
Interesting perspective.
Interesting but mindless
the parasite mentality comes up with all sorts of arguments as to why the government should take more of SOMEONE else's money
I think that is a valid point. I think we should all endeavor to buy locally. Companies here also have a hard time competing with companies who's countries provide national healthcare. And we need to put more priortity on education and job training, so we have the best trained workforce in the world.
The following letter is being sent out from Wisconsin Unions/THE MOB to Wisconsin Business Owners.......
Taking "Put the money in the bag.....or were gonna shut you down" to a whole new level.
This ****ing disgusts me.....these power hungry union slobs are a disgrace to this country......and piss poor excuses for Americans. A Union of little thug dictators.......its no wonder they prostitute for The Democrat Party and The Kenyan Tyrant. Birds of a feather....
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No, it's called free speech.
It's in the First Amendment. You should check it out.
They get to CHOOSE who they do business with.
Interesting but mindless
the parasite mentality comes up with all sorts of arguments as to why the government should take more of SOMEONE else's money
Lets clear up your insinuation that I am a parasite, I worked all of my life from before I was a teenager, I picked the fields when I was seven and when I went to high school I worked 48 hours a week shoveling sand coal and gravel.
Now try to be a little less offensive as you respond
The tax cuts were given to encourage job growth here in the USA show me the job growth, show me were the money went. We have seen the deficit and unemployment grow. Except in China and other foreign countries
Translation:
If you side with those Republican bastards, we'll make sure you're business is driven into the ground until it folds up like a house of paper.
No, it's called free speech.
It's in the First Amendment. You should check it out.
They get to CHOOSE who they do business with.
The tax cuts were given to encourage job growth here in the USA show me the job growth, show me were the money went. We have seen the deficit and unemployment grow. Except in China and other foreign countries
Would a record 52-Months Continual Job Growth be proof of anything?
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Have you ever........been hired by a poor person?
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Walmart is the largest employer in the USA, MacDonalds is number 2, Does Walmart manufacture some thing? MacDonalds sells fast food right? What incentive does private business have to invest in the USA?
Unless we "the government" offer an incentive for businesses to invest in America why would they, if the last 10 years predict the future what do you think is going to happen that going to change the economic slide we are in right now?
You're a great reciter of Fox News talking points.
But if you reason it out...
People who work in HR are relatively poor compared to the top 1%.
So, yes, everyone gets hired by a 'poor' person.
No. What WalMart DOES is buy goods at a lower price and sell goods. And they do it VERY effectively...so much so that they hire hu7ndreds of thousands of people. They turn a profit. They generate revenue so that they can open MORE stores and hire more people.
Conversely...the government operates ONLY at a loss...and by hiring continually MORE people they operate at an even GREATER loss putting the taxpayers DEEPER into debt. And your solution is to make MORE federal employees...which...costs MORE tax dollars. Its the exact opposite of a growth cycle...its a suck cycle.
We ABSOLUTELY need to reinvigorate the industrial base in America. That will come by incentivizing PRIVATE business and incvestors...not by increasing the size of a government workforce.
I only get PMSNBC...
Proving Cause and Effect doesn't just involve producing a graph and saying look, it changed there so Y=f(X).
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