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Union Bosses: 'ObamaCare Will Destroy Health of Americans

tererun said:
Something needs to be done about insurance companies, or to get them completely out of the mix. That was a huge thing at the beginning of Obama's first term. unfortunately he has no spine, and he had to pass something no matter how much it did not work to prove he had a legacy. He was not willing to go to bat for his own ideas of government health care, so he let the republicans do with the idea what they wanted to which was this crazy stuff that doesn't work. given obama is pretty much a republican stooge it is not surprising to find the bait and switch is a huge part of his administration. He got it passed and he could say he got something passed. he also guaranteed his insurance company masters that they would stay in business and get a lot of new customers.
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Republicans had nothing to with the ACA...that was all the Democrats baby.

tererun said:
Nothing considering it is actually within the executive's power to decide how to implement the law. he is not the first or the last one that will do these things. Again, bitching about obama is avoiding the problem which would be in this case that the executive has this power. of course, i am not really sure what you want done because giving congress the power to administer the executive branch would screw things up much worse. Congress makes the laws, the president enforces, and the judicial interprets. This is US government 101. Since the executive gets to enforce the laws they also get to decide how they are enforced. If this bothers you then you need to work on changing the fundamentals of the constitution, and probably physics as there are finite resources you can apply to enforcement.
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It is within the Exec. power to decide how, NOT when according to the law. The law gives X date to start X program...the Exec. branch does not have the power to change the laws passed by Congress. The Constitution says the President shall enforce the law not hand out exemptions to the law because they dont have their stuff together.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I LIKE the Canadian healthcare system. I think Obama wanted something like that when he first proposed it. He got backstabbed by his own party when key Congressmen refused to support it and demanded Big Pharma, Insurance, and the AMA develop the plan. Obama should never have accepted this, and let the idea die rather than push a boondoggle he never wanted simply to save face on his promise.
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Thats funny...most Canadians I have had the pleasure to speak with on forums like this hate the Canadian HC system.
 
Deuce said:
Or how. Apparently the 40 hour work week is being destroyed. Because that didn't happen already.
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It is an overstatement however Obamacare does excuse companies from providing health insurance for part time employees. Many companies are turning jobs that were formerly full time into part time jobs so the government will pay for the health insurance.
 
Imnukingfutz said:
Thats funny...most Canadians I have had the pleasure to speak with on forums like this hate the Canadian HC system.
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That's funny, most of the canadians I've had the pleasure of meeting and speaking to in person LIKE their health care system. Your point?
 
Imnukingfutz said:
Thats funny...most Canadians I have had the pleasure to speak with on forums like this hate the Canadian HC system.
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Yeah, well, they're the ones who have to live with it.
 
My question is, are the union bosses stupid? None of the side effects which are now bothering them were difficult to foresee before the fact.
 
Funny how the major players in Obamacare are now making excuses, trying to delay, backtracking and so on, yet still won't come out and tell the America people the truth about Obamacare. They screwed up but because of political reasons won't do what is necessary for the good of America and Americans. Typical -ist's.
 
Yeah yeah, sky is falling.

A better metaphor would be a frog placed in a pot of warm water. In its ignorance, it does not realize that the pot is over a burning stove. Over time, the water gets hotter and hotter. The frog, still ignorant of the change in temperature, is eventually boiled alive without realizing any change at all.














We are the frog.
 
wbcoleman said:
Yeah, well, they're the ones who have to live with it.
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Aint that the truth....but people want that style of HC here in the US. Dont they bother to read from the doctors and patients on how backed up and how long waits are to just see a doctor? And Canada doesnt have nearly the amount of people we have in the US and we dont have enough doctors to handle what we have now....
 
Deuce said:
Or how. Apparently the 40 hour work week is being destroyed. Because that didn't happen already.
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What does this have to do with a 40 hour work week? You're making up **** again as a diversion.
 
Obamacare in a nutshell. Taco Bell used to have 30 employees working 40 hours a week. Now they have 40 employees working 30 hours a week.

Yesssssssssssss we're producing jobs!!!
 
This was always the plan I think, sadly....If we take a look at societies throughout history that have gone from free, and open, to authoritarianistic top down government control based, we can see that this is always the path, and the it usually signals the end of that society....
 
wbcoleman said:
My question is, are the union bosses stupid? None of the side effects which are now bothering them were difficult to foresee before the fact.
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Yes, they were...and are. How many people, including, of course, our elected reps who voted the Affordable Care Act in law, have actually read all the bill? And how could they have known that what was promised probably wasn't even possible? Were there those who warned of this? (Yes.)

Pelosi joked, but it's not funny: It's a catastrophe. What the union guys are saying, I think, to Obama is "Keep your promises." The promise was that nobody would have to switch healthcare providers.
 
Cardinal said:
Processed foods, bad air quality, stress and no exercise is destroying the health of
Americans. A dysfunctional health care system ain't helping, though.
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A majority of people that have health issues have only themselves to blame.

High Blood pressure and type 2 diabetes is natures push back for a commitment to overindulgence

We're not designed for a soft life.
 
Oceandan said:
Obamacare in a nutshell. Taco Bell used to have 30 employees working 40 hours a week. Now they have 40 employees working 30 hours a week.

Yesssssssssssss we're producing jobs!!!
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You just nailed the formula.

Everyone employed, living in 600-square-foot apartments, driving a Smart Car, working 29 hours a week, and loving our Obamacare.

The new American dream.
 
Despite all the claims that ObamaCare is "socialism," in fact it is the most radical pro-corporation law in this this country in over a century. By it, not only does the insurance industry rake TRILLIONS of dollars off the top of healthcare - enforced by the IRS and federal cops - it also has eliminated the past requirements for full time employment with benefits to part=time employment with no benefits - for which the former full time employees with benefits instead are part-time employees paying annual fines for having lost their benefits.
In return, the government now can justify refusing healthcare to anyone claiming they didn't buy insurance - and Obama can boast of creating millions of jobs by companies replacing full time employees with benefits with a much, much cheap workforce of part-times with no benefits and not pensions.

Obama is a socialist - but he is a corporate-socialist, not a social socialist. It is the difference between night and day, diametric opposites. Never, ever could corporate America hope for what it got in the election of Obama as no Democrat or liberal dare criticize him.
 
joko104 said:
Despite all the claims that ObamaCare is "socialism," in fact it is the most radical pro-corporation law in this this country in over a century. By it, not only does the insurance industry rake TRILLIONS of dollars off the top of healthcare - enforced by the IRS and federal cops - it also has eliminated the past requirements for full time employment with benefits to part=time employment with no benefits - for which the former full time employees with benefits instead are part-time employees paying annual fines for having lost their benefits.
In return, the government now can justify refusing healthcare to anyone claiming they didn't buy insurance - and Obama can boast of creating millions of jobs by companies replacing full time employees with benefits with a much, much cheap workforce of part-times with no benefits and not pensions.

Obama is a socialist - but he is a corporate-socialist, not a social socialist. It is the difference between night and day, diametric opposites. Never, ever could corporate America hope for what it got in the election of Obama as no Democrat or liberal dare criticize him.
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It is refreshing to see someone else understands it.
 
Unions supported it, now the stupid ass, short-sighted union bosses see it is going to hurt their bottom line and they're against it. Gee, there's a shocker!

Why don't they man up and take their lumps, since it's something they support? :dunno:

In fact, maybe they should make Obamacare requirements apply to unions exclusively.

In this age of easy information, it's really hard to tolerate idiots.
 
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The Man said:
Unions supported it, now the stupid ass, short-sighted union bosses see it is going to hurt their bottom line and they're against it. Gee, there's a shocker!

Why don't they man up and take their lumps, since it's something they support? :dunno:

In fact, maybe they should make Obamacare requirements apply to unions exclusively.

In this age of easy information, it's really hard to tolerate idiots.
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Why don't they demand that the Democrats voted for repeal? If even half of them did, we'd have veto-proof majorities!
 
joko104 said:
Despite all the claims that ObamaCare is "socialism," in fact it is the most radical pro-corporation law in this this country in over a century. By it, not only does the insurance industry rake TRILLIONS of dollars off the top of healthcare - enforced by the IRS and federal cops - it also has eliminated the past requirements for full time employment with benefits to part=time employment with no benefits - for which the former full time employees with benefits instead are part-time employees paying annual fines for having lost their benefits.
In return, the government now can justify refusing healthcare to anyone claiming they didn't buy insurance - and Obama can boast of creating millions of jobs by companies replacing full time employees with benefits with a much, much cheap workforce of part-times with no benefits and not pensions.

Obama is a socialist - but he is a corporate-socialist, not a social socialist. It is the difference between night and day, diametric opposites. Never, ever could corporate America hope for what it got in the election of Obama as no Democrat or liberal dare criticize him.
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Indeed. Corporate socialism is a thing and is just as bad as garden variety socialism, but in different ways.
 
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