Uneven enforcement of hate speach rule (1 Viewer)

[Red_Dave]

Ive noticed how a number of islamophobic comments [often made by moderators] which contradict this rule have been made but not dealth with. Surely the rule should be enforced evenly or preferably not enforced attal? its unfair that its alllowed to halt debate in some circumstances and completely ignored in others.

Another example of this is how teacher has made a personal attack on volker. In some cases those makeing personal attacks are chastised heavy handedly but in volkers case this is completely ignored. Why the uneven policeing?

Sorry to have a go about this, i think its great your trying to create a balanced fourm but it makes the mod team appear hipercritical when they start makeing/allowing predudicial comments and actions.

 

[Captain America]

And just WHERE did Teacher make a personal attack on Volk?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Actually, I don't think teacher has violated the 'hate speech' rule against Volker. Rule #14, however...:roll:.

14. Signatures - Signatures taunting another user, large images, or breaking any other rule in this list could result in your account being suspended.

 

[Billo_Really]

I want to know if were going to let Red Dave get away with an unprovoked attack on our beloved te....... ter............chea........ s.hit, I know it has something to do with education............... and a forum member................ and something signed.

Well, whatever Dave said, he shouldn't be allowed to get away with it!

I mean, it might tarnish the altruism of that basement guy!

 

[mixedmedia]

I don't believe teach's sig is hate speech, but it certainly is in violation of forum policy.

 

[Volker]

It breaks the unwritten "be nice with Volker" rule :smile:

 

[mixedmedia]

It breaks the unwritten "be nice with Volker" rule :smile:

Well, I wouldn't go that far, buddy.

BTW, my daughter is traveling to Germany this summer. I will be sure to have her report back to me on the pervading Hitler-y atmosphere.

Granted, I know very little about you and your views, but I find the trend among certain of our group's membership to black mark entire nations very disturbing. Just for the record.

 

[Volker]

Well, I wouldn't go that far, buddy.

BTW, my daughter is traveling to Germany this summer. I will be sure to have her report back to me on the pervading Hitler-y atmosphere.

Granted, I know very little about you and your views, but I find the trend among certain of our group's membership to black mark entire nations very disturbing. Just for the record.

So saying things like "pervading Hitler-y atmosphere" to you is different from black mark entire nations?

 

[mixedmedia]

So saying things like "pervading Hitler-y atmosphere" to you is different from black mark entire nations?

I was being sarcastic.

 

[Gardener]

Well, there's always ummah.com and shiachat for those who wish support for their antisemitic points of view and suppression of the voices that counter the antisemitism.

 

[Medussa]

Ive noticed how a number of islamophobic comments [often made by moderators] which contradict this rule have been made but not dealth with. Surely the rule should be enforced evenly or preferably not enforced attal? its unfair that its alllowed to halt debate in some circumstances and completely ignored in others.

Another example of this is how teacher has made a personal attack on volker. In some cases those makeing personal attacks are chastised heavy handedly but in volkers case this is completely ignored. Why the uneven policeing?

Sorry to have a go about this, i think its great your trying to create a balanced fourm but it makes the mod team appear hipercritical when they start makeing/allowing predudicial comments and actions.

You have very valid points and I second this.

 

[Kelzie]

So many issues, so little time.

1. I'd be interested to see said "islamophopic" remarks made by a mod. Until I do, I cannot commit on the supposed misapplication of rule #18.

2. Rule #18 has has been used against all varieties of racist/sexist/etc remarks. Most of the mod actions are not public, which would be why you don't know of them.

3. I will talk with teach about his sig.

 

[Volker]

I was being sarcastic.

Oh sorry, I didn't get it.

 

[mixedmedia]

Oh sorry, I didn't get it.

No problem. I could have expressed my facetiousness more clearly with the tactful application of a smilie or two. :lol: :mrgreen:

 

[MSgt]

Ive noticed how a number of islamophobic comments [often made by moderators] which contradict this rule have been made but not dealth with. Surely the rule should be enforced evenly or preferably not enforced attal? its unfair that its alllowed to halt debate in some circumstances and completely ignored in others.

You should try to notice something with more substance.

Sorry to have a go about this, i think its great your trying to create a balanced fourm but it makes the mod team appear hipercritical when they start makeing/allowing predudicial comments and actions.

Since these are public - Rule 18 has been employed to date against:

1 Jew basher -
http://www.debatepolitics.com/359817-post138.html
2 Muslim bashers -
http://www.debatepolitics.com/366497-post116.html
http://www.debatepolitics.com/378195-post25.html
1 black/Mexican/Jew basher -
http://www.debatepolitics.com/382912-post6.html


Unless I'm missing one, this appears fair to me. Others have been warned without the necessary use of Rule 18. We are trying to preserve the Rule in the spirit that it was intended. If you come across an offensive post that should be looked at more closely by a Mod, simply report the post.

 

[Volker]

No problem. I could have expressed my facetiousness more clearly with the tactful application of a smilie or two. :lol: :mrgreen:

I could have reacted friendlier while not being sure :smile:

 

[teacher]

Ive noticed how a number of islamophobic comments

Say it ain't so.

They say that we are Satan, that they want to drive to Jews into the sea, thier "good book" comands them to kill, convert, or subjegate us. And you whine for them?

Ladies, Gentlemen and Billo. I introduce to you...Red Dave...my newest identified anti-semite. Say hello to the good people Dave...



Where are my manners?

I'm teacher, of the Colossal Brain, Lord and Master of all I Survey, DP's most Favorite Asshole and most Creative Poster, CIC of the Monkey Army, God of Smack, Mover of all things Heavy, Champion of Copy/Paste, Holder of Billo's Leash, the Perfect Libertarian, Rememberer of Stuff, Basement Warden, Scourage of Paris, Knower of all Things, Distributer of the Basement VIP Lounge Keys, Love Slave of mixedmedia, Spreader of the Contagion, a Snappy Dresser, Holder of the Fortune Teller, Grand Poobah of Debate Politics.

[often made by moderators] which contradict this rule have been made but not dealth with. Surely the rule should be enforced evenly or preferably not enforced attal? its unfair that its alllowed to halt debate in some circumstances and completely ignored in others.

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Another example of this is how teacher has made a personal attack on volker. In some cases those makeing personal attacks are chastised heavy handedly but in volkers case this is completely ignored.

Recent PM from Kelzie to me.

Nyet teach. I'd quote you the rule about not taunting others with your sig, but I'm sure you know it by heart.

And then that sig is gone. Replaced with one I can get away with but we still all know what's going on, right? Lots of ways to spread the love, Dave

http://www.debatepolitics.com/396958-post512.html

like that. How much trouble was it for you to read a within te rules personal message of my new found and blossoming love for you?

There's always a way, Dave.

Why the uneven policeing?

You were saying? The mods can't be everywhere, Dave. Sometimes they don't know these things until you go and tell Mommy. Which is even better because know we know a whole lot about you. It's a privately owned website, Dave. And you are a liberal. I don't see you complaining about Billo's comments about conservatives, oh, but that's okay, isn't it? Overall, this is a very fair place. The fact that it is so fair yet you still took the time to whine and moan tells us where you are at.

On top of that you mentioned my name...

didn't think this one through, did you?

Sorry to have a go about this,

No you are not, or you wouldn't have wrote it. Now we know you are full of bullshit. Trying to appear all nice when in fact...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/396958-post512.html

Now take me for instance, Dave. I have an open door policy. Don't get all Nancy boy on us and go tattle, PM me, make your case. If it has logical merit, I'll go along. More likely I'll just ignore you and send you a link like this...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/396958-post512.html

Now, Dave, you gotta ask yourself, do you want ...

1. This to continue as is?
B. To come back weak and watch it get uglier?
III. To send the cash to make it stop?



Love is in the air, Dave. Can you feel it?

 

[Volker]

What, are you trying to match with an European again?

Didn't you notice, it does not work?

 

[mixedmedia]

Let's leave Bob Dylan out of this.

 

[Gardener]

Rather than discussing the supposed uneven application of the hate speech rule, I think it would be more productive to discuss the uneven application of the hate, itself. Since antisemitism is a disease so prevelant among Europeans, Muslims, extreme left Americans and extreme right of all stripes, it is more likely to surface in forums such as these than hateful prejudices against other groups of people.

I don't really think the introduction of more European antisemites is really what we need in order to achieve "balance".

 

[mixedmedia]

Rather than discussing the supposed uneven application of the hate speech rule, I think it would be more productive to discuss the uneven application of the hate, itself. Since antisemitism is a disease so prevelant among Europeans, Muslims, extreme left Americans and extreme right of all stripes, it is more likely to surface in forums such as these than hateful prejudices against other groups of people.

I don't really think the introduction of more European antisemites is really what we need in order to achieve "balance".

I see your point. But a good amount of, if not hate speech, then certainly obtusely prejudiced speech against Muslims goes unchallenged among the reactionary-types here, too. Gunny's examples notwithstanding.

Not sure it's prudent to try and police ideas and beliefs, though. I mean, if someone can come here and express their, perhaps, repulsive beliefs without resorting to epithets and name-calling, then I don't see the benefit in censoring them.

 

[Volker]

The topic of this thread is not if we need more anti-Semites to have a balance. What a strange idea is that.

The topic is, if hate towards one group is handled the same way like hate against another group or if there is a turn a blind eye policy when it comes to Muslims for instance.

If you think, anti-Semitism is more likely at this forum than condescending remarks about Muslims or Arabs, when maybe you should try to count it for a few days.

You can try the same with anti-Semitism and condescending remarks about Europeans and start a tally mark with this thread.

 

[Volker]

Rather than discussing the supposed uneven application of the hate speech rule, I think it would be more productive to discuss the uneven application of the hate, itself. Since antisemitism is a disease so prevelant among Europeans, Muslims, extreme left Americans and extreme right of all stripes, it is more likely to surface in forums such as these than hateful prejudices against other groups of people.

I don't really think the introduction of more European antisemites is really what we need in order to achieve "balance".

The topic of this thread is not if we need more anti-Semites to have a balance. What a strange idea is that.

The topic is, if hate towards one group is handled the same way like hate against another group or if there is a turn a blind eye policy when it comes to Muslims for instance.

If you think, anti-Semitism is more likely at this forum than condescending remarks about Muslims or Arabs, when maybe you should try to count it for a few days.

You can try the same with anti-Semitism and condescending remarks about Europeans and start a tally mark with this thread.

 

[Volker]

Yes, double post, for a reason I don't know, I can't delete posts at the Feedback/Suggestions board.

 

[Volker]

I see your point. But a good amount of, if not hate speech, then certainly obtusely prejudiced speech against Muslims goes unchallenged among the reactionary-types here, too. Gunny's examples notwithstanding.

Gunny's examples notwithstanding? These were not examples, these were all the cases where the rule has been enforced so far, the way I understand it and the enforcement was not biased one way or another.