I don't know if it is really disingenuosness so much as it is utter dogmatism and lack of intelligence. People assume it is their duty to defend Islamists because they equate such defense with a virtue associated with and misapplied by their chosen ideology -- that of defending people against bigotry. In addition, they see it as "liberal" (their tribe) to defend Islamists no matter what, as all they know is that an enemy of their enemy is their friend. The right in a general sense is their enemy and so if the right is outspoken in regards to Islamists, by golly, they will then defend them. It is all pretty stupid and conformist, but few people ever think in any sort of original way,as they go about their business of adding their voice to the choir.
Having various self-described liberals routinely defend the very least liberal political/religious philosophies on the face of the Earth is Orwellian enough.To have them so motivatedin their zeal for political correctness that they would savage a women of color who has been victimized by the oppression of such ideology is well beyond the pale.
Sometimes I think the world has gone mad so often do I see this same pattern.
So it's not what many millions of Communists call themselves, what their leaders call themselves, what every follower calls themselves, it's what Captain Courtesy decides to call them that's important. This is why the left are convinced their policies can never fail; because it wasn't what true leftist policies really are.Sorry Grant, but you are incorrect. What they called themselves is irrelevant. The ideology they practiced is what is relevant. Most right wingers have no idea exactly what communism is. You seem to be no exception. Communistic forms of government always turn into fascist states. Human psychology dictates that.
Of course racism in America, and elsewhere, goes well beyond the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and like refusing to call Communists Communists, Or National Socialists Socialists, you also refuse to call Democrats Democrats. These are revisions of history that every layman can understand.We've already established that it is right wingers that attempt to rewrite history. We saw you do it on the issue of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the fact that it has always been conservatives who were the ideology of racism. This is no exception.
This is obviously important to you but perhaps you need a history lesson that you can just watch and listen to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-oS4WLui3QNo, I've posted excerpts from Mussolini's writing here at DP plenty of times. He denounces socialism, and left wing ideology. For Mussolini, fascism was certainly right wing.
This is a way the left can always say, "No, it wasn't really (Communism, National Socialism, Fascism, Democrats), it was conservatives! Conservatives, in your mind at least, will always be the racists while any sort of leftist movement will always get a pass. This is self delusion on an unhealthy scale.Conservatives are what they were. I am fairly uninterested in whether they were Democrats or Republicans. The party of which they belonged is pretty evident.
You are doing it right here in your posts!!No, it comes from the right. Historical revisionism is what the right does.
Then perhaps you should continue with sites with less diversity of opinion, which also happens to be a subject related to this thread.I listen to the right try to shut down discussion all the time, from gay marriage, to ACA, to the economy. You can post all the articles that you want. I can post all the articles that I want. Guess what that changes? Nothing.
Your constant apologetics for a regressive,totalitarian political ideology reveals you to be something quite other than an actual liberal.
a true liberal would be championing the rights of women against systematic oppression rather than savaging them in order to remain in lock-step with their oppressors.
Yeah, whatever.Conservatives always ignore analogies that show them to not know what they are talking about. It's called denial.
Brandeis made the decision to invite her and after pressure from CAIR and other Muslims groups they dis-invited her. That is the basics of this subject. If you don't understand that much then then it's not clear why you are even participating on this thread.Which is irrelevant and goes to my analogy that you conveniently avoided. BRANDEIS made the decision. Whether they received pressure or feedback is irrelevant to that point.
what are you suggesting is being defended. Ali is a liar who had to resign from Parliament because of it. She makes blanket statements about Islam that are untrue and does nothing to stop the horrors she only seems to notice is the Muslim world, all the while getting paid large sums of money to spread her lies and hate.
Whether they pre-date Islam or not is quite beside the point. The fact is that is still being carried out in Islam today, which only underlines Islam's ties to medieval thoughts and practices. The same is true of child brides. But instead of directing their energies towards these barbaric practices, which takes the courage of a Hirsi Ali, Muslims like yourself will instead attack the messenger.Yes she is under the gun as Theo Van Gogh was and that is horrible and anyone caught threatening her should go to prison or worse. But the bottom line is she, like so many others, are simply spread hate for Islam and not fighting the bigger issue that exists in the world. Again female genital mutilation and forcing women to submit are not simply Islamic practices and predate Islam.
what are you suggesting is being defended. Ali is a liar who had to resign from Parliament because of it. She makes blanket statements about Islam that are untrue and does nothing to stop the horrors she only seems to notice is the Muslim world, all the while getting paid large sums of money to spread her lies and hate. Yes she is under the gun as Theo Van Gogh was and that is horrible and anyone caught threatening her should go to prison or worse. But the bottom line is she, like so many others, are simply spread hate for Islam and not fighting the bigger issue that exists in the world. Again female genital mutilation and forcing women to submit are not simply Islamic practices and predate Islam.
But you've been asked numerous times to cite such examples. What did she lie about? What statements has she made that are untrue?
She pays particular attention to the Islamic world because it is her own heritage and because of the immediacy of the issue as it relates to the large Muslim community and culture clashes in the Netherlands. I'm sure if she was of a Congolese Animist background and it was a serious issue in her community and the world it would be a different story.
MS: Well, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a Somali woman, a black, feminist Somali who was raised in a brutal, extreme Islamic upbringing where she underwent female genital mutilation, and she was put in an arranged marriage and all the rest of it. And she managed to escape to the Netherlands and get elected to the Dutch Parliament, and she made a film about the state of Muslim women, about the life of women in the Muslim world called Submission. She wrote the film. The guy who directed it, Theo Van Gogh, the film so outraged Muslims in Amsterdam that one of them murdered him, all but decapitated him in the street. His last words were, “Can’t we just talk about it,” and the guy didn’t want to talk about it. He all but decapitated him, and his final act was to put a letter and used a knife to stab it through what was left of Theo Van Gogh’s chest, pledging among other things to do the same to Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Now she could have done what a lot of people do. She could have moved to New Zealand, gone into hiding, had a quiet, changed her name, had a quiet life. And instead, she has lived with that death threat and many others, and had the courage to speak out against it. Most of us are never called upon to be that brave. Most of us will never have to actually weigh those odds the way Ayaan did. And no one’s asking these ghastly squishes at Brandeis to show that kind of courage. All this pathetic president, I want to get his name right, I’ve got it written, Frederick Lawrence. All this wretched nothing eunuch man, Frederick Lawrence, had to do, he didn’t have to show courage on that scale. All he had to do was not cave in to pressure group bullies and allow this woman to speak and receive the worthless honorary degree from his worthless institution. These guys won’t defend Western Civilization, and Western Civilization will die, because it depends on the defense of losers like this guy.
JW: And people when they get honorary degrees, it’s not like they only go to non-political people. Universities have awarded them in the recent past to people that want Israel to be wiped off the map and destroyed. Is that not right?
MS: Yeah, that’s true. And that was Brandeis, a guy called Tony Kushner, who says that he thinks the creation of the state of Israel was a mistake, and that the pushiest and most obnoxious Jews are those who support Israel. You know, is that the, nobody is saying that an honorary degree is handed out to people whose every position you support. And most of us, you know, I accept that I’m, that certain kinds of awards I’m never going to get. And I stand back and occasionally roll my eyes at the dreary left-wing hacks invited to give commencement speeches, garlanded with state honors, things that if you trend to the right side of the spectrum, you know you’re going to be labeled controversial conservative, and you never go anywhere near. But this woman is a black, feminist atheist from Somalia. And so what we’re learning here which is fascinating, in the hierarchy of progressive politics identity group victimhood, Islam trumps everything. Islam trumps gender. The fact that she’s a woman doesn’t matter. It trumps race. The fact that she’s black doesn’t matter. It trumps secularism. The fact that she’s an atheist doesn’t matter. They wouldn’t do this if it was a Christian group complaining about her, if it was a Jewish group complaining about her. But when the Islamic lobby group says oh, no, we’re not putting up with this, as I said, these jelly-spined nothings at Brandeis just roll over for them.
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