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Undecided Voters, The Choices are Clear

Why when these people pay the most Fed income tax now?

How about the 44% who don't even pay a DOLLAR in a Fed income tax pay something?




Now why would he want to do something legal that was illegal?

and why don't the 65% of corps. making over a million dollars a year in US profits ( some baking Billions ) pay at least some thing in Fed. income taxes?
You want people who are living at or below the poverty level to pay income taxes but want to let large Corps. making millions and Billions in US profits not pay any
Yes another right winger who wants to take from the poor and give to the rich
Have a nice day
 
Wow!

What a crock of right wing B. S. !!

Yep....it's just more of the "monster lives under the bed" or "boogeyman hides in the closet" claim that they make every election.
 
and why don't the 65% of corps. making over a million dollars a year in US profits ( some baking Billions ) pay at least some thing in Fed. income taxes?
You want people who are living at or below the poverty level to pay income taxes but want to let large Corps. making millions and Billions in US profits not pay any
Yes another right winger who wants to take from the poor and give to the rich
Have a nice day

and why don't the 65% of corps. making over a million dollars a year in US profits ( some baking Billions ) pay at least some thing in Fed. income taxes?

What part of people that make north of $400,000 a year already pay the majority of the Fed income tax that you didn't understand?

You want people who are living at or below the poverty level to pay income taxes

Yes, just 1 dollar!!!!
 
Yeah, after listening to all of the speeches during the RNC, I can understand how some buy into the idea of this imaginary villain. It's not supported by reality, or previous precedent, but I don't think that's going to stop those who buy into this kind of rhetoric. What I don't underestimate is the fear incited by the "they're going to destroy the suburbs" rhetoric; I don't doubt that will strike a chord with some and motivate them to vote for him based on that alone.
It is disheartening that so many who support Trump, buy into the lies told at the RNC and buy the false narrative.

From an early age, my parents taught me critical thinking skills. When what someone tells you doesn't match up to what you observe with your own eyes and ears, they're lying. It seems the cult of Trump never learned those skills.

On thing the OP said is true, the title. "The Choices are Clear."

Yes they are. The choices are either Joe Biden, who besides being an infinitely better person than Donald Trump, has a long record of accomplishments, which included passage of key legislation, but also a history reaching over the aisle to the Republicans, and genuine compassion. Joe Biden and John McCain were friends, even though they disagreed over policy. Does Donald Trump have friends? He has transactional acquaintances -- people who associate with him to obtain something of value.

The other choice is Donald Trump, who we have been able to look closely at over nearly four years.

We see that he came into office promising to raise taxes on the wealthy but cut their taxes.
We see that he came into office promising to improve health care and only backed plans to make it far worse. His latest effort is to have the ACA declared unconstitutional, throwing millions off of coverage.

What we see is someone who hasn't grown into the presidency; who clearly never read the constitution (or maybe anything else) because he thinks "Article II gives me the power to do anything that I want." It, of course, doesn't. He doesn't understand checks and balances and doesn't understand separation of powers nor federalism -- that the federal government can't tell the states what to do. This used to be a concern of conservatives, but they sold out to the Party of Trump.

More frightening is his authoritarian and dictatorial tendencies that were in full display at the RNC -- a frightening glimpse of the ugly end of America, an authoritarian cult in full flower. He melded the state with himself as president. Using the White House as a venue for the convention is illegal but the would-be dictator ignores laws (the same way he ignored laws as a crooked businessman) that he doesn't like. We see it with him ignoring subpoenas and Acts of Congress and appropriations.

On governance, we witnessed a lack of attention to running a government. He spends most of his time watching Fox, playing golf and Tweeting insults. He's only had one crisis in four years and he faced it by ignoring its existence and undermining medical experts whose facts he didn't like.

We also see how he used his office with enriching himself and his family. Even though the federal government has nepotism laws, his daughter and son-in-law have offices in the White House, where they mix state business and their personal businesses. While the government is negotiating trade deals with China, his daughter is getting licenses granted her from China. We can only wonder how much the two are connected. We also see that Trump orders military aircraft to land in airfields near his properties, so that the crew have no choice but to overnight in his properties. We also witnessed him order the U.S. Ambassador to Britain to have the British move the British Open to his Scottish resort and fired him when he raised ethics concerns.

Yes, this is a clear choice and I still can't see how Trump has the support he does, knowing what we've seen. I guess the conned don't even realize they've been conned.
 
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the mismanagement of the pandemic is entirely on Tweety. a hologram of a real president could have done a better job with the power switched off.
 
Expect to be inundated by fake news and dirty politics leading to the election. A serious contemplation is needed here. So much is at stake.




There are only two choices here come November:


Either you'd vote for Trump, which means the economy will be roaring back to the way it was before the unexpected
Pandemic had hit the fan........


Gonna stop you right there. The economy is in the crapper because of the pandemic. If you want to know what a successful vaccination rollout will look like, look at the national cv19 testing policy. Vaccine distribution will look like that.

In other words, the economy isn't coming back until Trump is gone from office.
 
Here is our REAL problem

Americans don't even know what it is to be an American. This is what we should be dealing with

That is our most important issue

:roll:

Don't give me meaningless talking point! That's a non-issue. We already know who has that problem! Lol.
It's supporters of Socialism .......who don't know what it is to be an American anymore. :lol:
 
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Don't give me meaningless talking point! That's a non-issue. We already know who has that problem! Lol.
It's supporters of Socialism .......who don't know what it is to be an American anymore. :lol:
Where is this phantom socialism that you speak? I don’t see it. So, I’m asking, what policies of Joe Biden do you consider socialism? Please show your work.
 
This is the same tripe that Conservatives said about a SECOND TERM of Obama. More chicken little nonsense coming from Trump supporters who know Trump is going to lose because he is a lying, corrupt and authoritarian supporting douchbag.

Pretty sad that conservatives now have to LIE in order to save their Orange Oompa Loompa. Trump supporters can **** OFF.
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Lol. Undecided SENSIBLE voters - you want this kind of irrational mentality above to be the one dictating your future?
Just look how off the response is.....instead of dealing with what's reality.


For starter: FYI, there was no PANDEMIC the like of COVID-19 during Obama's!
There was no worldwide economic shut-down!
 
The economy will come roaring back when this pandemic is over.


We all know how well Trump is handling this pandemic. The people who vote for Trump are so good at stoping the spread I think the economy will pop back in no time!


:lamo

Only a vaccine can stop the spread. Lol.

Hello? Have you been reading other news? You know what's happening to countries that locked down?
They're starting to spike again!



Lol - how do you think your country will be in a year if your economy stands still for that long?
Yeah.....I get it. your numbers may look scary...... but........ your population is huge compared to other nations.

Why do you think other countries are insisting to open now? Even when the pandemic is still very much around us?
BECAUSE the leaders are realistic about the consequences to the economy.....that's why!
Countries can only close down for so long. I don't see we'll ever see any countries really locking down again....let's bet on it!



You guys better work together. BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOURSELF!
WEAR YOUR FREAKIN' MASK! AVOID CROWDED PLACES. WASH YOUR HANDS OFTEN! AVOID TOUCHING YOUR FACE!



If others don't want to practice any precauition - don't let it get to you! It's their funeral!
Let their own families deal with them when they start seeing their old folks dropping off like flies!
 
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Wow!

What a crock of right wing B. S. !!

It's your response that's the typical mindless B.S.

WOW indeed. :lol: What's new?
That's all there is to say, huh? No explanation as to why. :mrgreen:
 
Gonna stop you right there. The economy is in the crapper because of the pandemic. If you want to know what a successful vaccination rollout will look like, look at the national cv19 testing policy. Vaccine distribution will look like that.

In other words, the economy isn't coming back until Trump is gone from office.
:roll:

Did I just read somewhere that the job numbers are up?



Hello? Who's waiting for the vaccine?

WHO CAN AFFORD TO PUT THE ECONOMY AT A STANDSTILL, AND WAIT?




You see other countries still on lockdown?




Here's the cold reality:



France Nears All-Time High for New Coronavirus Cases As Spain Sees Faster Spread Than U.S.

Europe Coronavirus Cases Are Rising Fastest in These Five Countries



Coronavirus: South Korea on edge with rise in unlinked cases, patients in critical condition | South China Morning Post

Coronavirus cases rising in New Zealand, Australia

Coronavirus cases continue rising in Japan | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News









You guys better take responsibility for your own precaution!
Lol.....that's the problem with socialist mentality: you always need someone to take care of you! To do things for you.


Why? You can't think for yourself?



refer to #35.
 
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Where is this phantom socialism that you speak? I don’t see it. So, I’m asking, what policies of Joe Biden do you consider socialism? Please show your work.

I suppose you don't know what socialism is if you can't recognize it.


Do your homework. I'm not here to spoonfeed anyone.
 
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Did I just read somewhere that the job numbers are up?



Hello? Who's waiting for the vaccine?

WHO CAN AFFORD TO WAIT?




You see other countries still on lockdown?



You guys better take responsibility for your own precaution!
Lol.....that's the problem with socialist mentality: you always need someone to take care of you! To do things for you.


Why? You can't think for yourself?



refer to #35.

What is the net job gain compared to before the pandemic? Are we doing better than January or worse?
 
What is the net job gain compared to before the pandemic? Are we doing better than January or worse?

Deal with reality.



Look at other countries.


France Nears All-Time High for New Coronavirus Cases As Spain Sees Faster Spread Than U.S.

Europe Coronavirus Cases Are Rising Fastest in These Five Countries



Coronavirus: South Korea on edge with rise in unlinked cases, patients in critical condition | South China Morning Post

Coronavirus cases rising in New Zealand, Australia

Coronavirus cases continue rising in Japan | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News





These countries have all locked down long enough to get their numbers flattened.....only to encounter it back up again.



You think you'll see them locking down again even when the virus is back to rising?

No one can afford to, without keeling over.

That's the hard reality.
 
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Deal with reality.

Look at other countries. You think you'll see them locking down again even when the virus is back to rising?

No one can afford to without keeling over. That's the hard reality.

It's a simple question: do we have better job number and worse job numbers since January?
 
What's your point?

That we're at 8.4% unemployment vs 3.5% in January. We're going to have to bring a hell of a lot of jobs back before we're back in brag-worthy territory.

And it's going to keep being that way until Trump gets the pandemic under control. And since Trump's means of dealing with the crisis has been to ignore it, then we're going to have the current economy until he's gone from office. And we already know how a national vaccination rollout will look: it will look like the national testing efforts. In other words, a totally dysfunctional dumpster fire.
 
Cardinal;1072588328That we're at 8.4% unemployment vs 3.5% in January[quote said:
Why do you think the numbers are like that? :lol:
 
That we're at 8.4% unemployment vs 3.5% in January.
:doh


Why do you think the numbers are like that? :lol:

What do you think happened? :mrgreen:
 
Why do you think the numbers are like that? :lol:

Because they were before a genuine crisis tested Trump's leadership. He failed, and the consequence is the worst unemployment in 80 years.
 
Because they were before a genuine crisis tested Trump's leadership. He failed, and the consequence is the worst unemployment in 80 years.

You're talking nonsense.


What do you think happened to other countries in the world? They're all tanking. Even Canada. :lol:

What leader was prepared for this pandemic?


Unless you can add anything rational - I'll be ignoring you for now.
 
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What do you think happened to other countries in the world? They're all tanking. Even Canada. They all failed? :lol:

Countries with the most proactive responses have been suffering the least economic fallout. Those with the worst responses are suffering the greatest economic fallout.

And that's just how it's going to go.
Have the countries experiencing the largest economic decline performed better in protecting the nation’s health, as we would expect if there was a trade-off?

The chart here shows the same GDP data along the horizontal axis. Along the vertical axis is the cumulative number of confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people.

Contrary to the idea of a trade-off, we see that countries which suffered the most severe economic downturns – like Peru, Spain and the UK – are generally among the countries with the highest COVID-19 death rate.

And the reverse is also true: countries where the economic impact has been modest – like Taiwan, South Korea, and Lithuania – have also managed to keep the death rate low.

Notice too that countries with similar falls in GDP have witnessed very different death rates. For instance, compare the US and Sweden with Denmark and Poland. All four countries saw economic contractions of around 8 to 9 percent, but the death rates are markedly different: the US and Sweden have recorded 5 to 10 times more deaths per million.

Clearly, many factors have affected the COVID-19 death rate and the shock to the economy beyond the policy decisions made by each government about how to control the spread of the virus. And the full impacts of the pandemic are yet to be seen.


But among countries with available GDP data, we do not see any evidence of a trade-off between protecting people’s health and protecting the economy. Rather the relationship we see between the health and economic impacts of the pandemic goes in the opposite direction. As well as saving lives, countries controlling the outbreak effectively may have adopted the best economic strategy too.

Which countries have protected both health and the economy in the pandemic? - Our World in Data
 
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I don't think your source is unbiased.


About - Our World in Data

I don't really care what you think is biased. The fact is so long as there's an uncontrolled pandemic then we're in lockdown to one degree or another. And so long as there's continued lockdown we'll continue to have the highest unemployment in 80 years.

And since Trump's policy is to ignore the pandemic then the current situation is the one we'll have for the next 4.5 years if Trump is re-elected.
 
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