Undecided Voter

[Perotista]

Have to try picking off Bernie supporters. So, you've got to thread the fine needle of painting Biden as a radical socialist progressive while trying to steal those same votes from Biden. It's also not impossible to pick off a small percentage of blacks, even if they're just voting for Kanye. And Latinos have also been able to be picked off. Other than Libertarians, most of the third parties seem to siphon votes from the left. Maybe those are the keys to Trump pulling it off. Right now I wouldn't bet much money on Trump but I wouldn't bet much money against him either.

West is on 6 state ballots. Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Utah, all solid Trump states and on Colorado and Vermont, all solid Biden. That's it for West. So far, West hasn't made it on a single swing state ballot which the deadlines for filing has either passed or will in a week or two. West is basically a non-entity.

The Libertarians generally do pull from Republicans, but until 2016, they hadn't even been able to receive 1% of the total vote. The 3.6% Johnson received in 2016 was highly abnormal. If you look at the total third party vote it was 6% in 2016, 1.5% in 2012, 1.2% in 2008 and an even 1.0% in 2004. Unless you're a well financed Ross Perot in 1992 and 96 or a strong regional candidate as George Wallace was in 1968, way too much ado is made of third parties along the lines who who they help or hurt. My opinion anyway.

Race, among Blacks Trump received 8% in 2016, he's polling 4% today, Hispanics, 28% in 2016, today he's polling 24%. Perhaps worse for Trump is the polling of white voters, In 2016 he won white voters 57-37 over Hillary. He's leading today among whites, 49-43 with 4% stating they'll vote third party, 4% undecided. Trump certainly has his work cut out for him. But all these figures are dynamic and change constantly, except for the 2016 figures.

 

[trixare4kids]

Nope they weren't undecided. They just weren't polled. Rural America turned the maps red.coast to coast

Do you think that this is still the case? Rural America isn't being polled?

 

[rickc]

Do you think that this is still the case? Rural America isn't being polled?

If trump.wins that is where the votes.will come.from. kind of depends on how many farmers got hurt by the China tariffs.

As I travel across south Georgia I don't see as many trump signs but the election is a ways off.

 

[Moderate Right]

Right after you prove I am not actively campaigning for Trump. Or prove who I voted for. I can't force you to be honest. DP rules allow you to say anything you'd like.

I have the posts to prove that I did not vote for Trump.

 

[Moderate Right]

Do you think that this is still the case? Rural America isn't being polled?

I have fully decided that if anyone calls me for a poll I will be solidly against Trump. I will lie my effing ass off. Then I will laugh my effing ass off when Trump wins and all of these people are crying all over the place and out will come the Trump/Post office collusion and endless investigations for four more years.

 

[Kreton]

I have fully decided that if anyone calls me for a poll I will be solidly against Trump. I will lie my effing ass off. Then I will laugh my effing ass off when Trump wins and all of these people are crying all over the place and out will come the Trump/Post office collusion and endless investigations for four more years.

You lie? Imagine that

 

[jotathought]

It is impossible to be a well-informed voter and support the man named Donald Trump for any reason. People choose to be Democrats because they are well-informed about the proven facts. So you will change your mind after he loses on November 3.

That's a silly notion. One cannot be well-informed because of where they land on the political spectrum? A well-informed voter has nothing to do with their political leaning. It's more about the investment of time to understand items such as the candidates, their history, current events, how to vote, etc.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

That's a silly notion. One cannot be well-informed because of where they land on the political spectrum? A well-informed voter has nothing to do with their political leaning. It's more about the investment of time to understand items such as the candidates, their history, current events, how to vote, etc.

Where voters stand on the political spectrum actually has been linked to education advancement according to scientific polls. Earlier this year, I read the majority of voters who just graduated from high school are Republicans and the majority of voters with college degrees are Democrats. The Bernie Sanders campaign targeted college students because many polls have found they are more likely to be socialists. So yes, the more educated a voter is, the more likely he or she is to be a Democrat.

 

[jotathought]

Where voters stand on the political spectrum actually has been linked to education advancement according to scientific polls. Earlier this year, I read the majority of voters who just graduated from high school are Republicans and the majority of voters with college degrees are Democrats. The Bernie Sanders campaign targeted college students because many polls have found they are more likely to be socialists. So yes, the more educated a voter is, the more likely he or she is to be a Democrat.

I would support a well-informed, uneducated individual rather than a low-informed, highly educated individual. Being highly educated doesn't mean you invest the time in politics and related activities to make a decision, and it's silly to say so otherwise.

 

[RealityNow]

The ignorance in America is beyond comprehension, because its so widespread...

Many Nation's people value the vote and have a determination to vote. Here in America, people are too comfortable with allowing others to make the decisions, so they can whine about it later.

Too many people care more about their vanity, delusions of public and social popularity, gaming, and obsessions with shopping and materialism and chasing money... getting drunk, high, and acting out their devotion to ignorance with belligerent displays.

It's how America ended up with the most Politically UN-educated Maniac ever to bring his TV Game Show Antics into the Seat of the Nation's Presidency. Who has been playing musical chairs looking for Mob like pledge of allegiance to fill Cabinet seats... We got stuck with a fool, that has no understanding of Geo-Politics... and is driven to promote greed shaped Trade Deals, that damaged the Farmers who feed the nation. History has recorded it, and the world has witnessed it, and American has been met with the Disgrace this imbecile has caused upon the nation.

We have people with a long history of Public Service... and the ignorance of people allowed a serial bankrupter', a serial infidelity motivated cheater and a mad man who has no respect for the nation, its governance nor its people and certainly no regard or respect for principles, systems nor policy. Then he brought the making of his own dumb clone trained kids into our United States of America's Governance.

Still we have a mass of people too ignorant to see the truth, and others too hung up on their gluttony and heathen motivations to even know what the policies and what is at stake when it comes to America's Democracy.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

I would support a well-informed, uneducated individual rather than a low-informed, highly educated individual. Being highly educated doesn't mean you invest the time in politics and related activities to make a decision, and it's silly to say so otherwise.

What you support is just an opinion. I am just telling you the facts.

 

[RealityNow]

West is on 6 state ballots. Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Utah, all solid Trump states and on Colorado and Vermont, all solid Biden. That's it for West. So far, West hasn't made it on a single swing state ballot which the deadlines for filing has either passed or will in a week or two. West is basically a non-entity.

The Libertarians generally do pull from Republicans, but until 2016, they hadn't even been able to receive 1% of the total vote. The 3.6% Johnson received in 2016 was highly abnormal. If you look at the total third party vote it was 6% in 2016, 1.5% in 2012, 1.2% in 2008 and an even 1.0% in 2004. Unless you're a well financed Ross Perot in 1992 and 96 or a strong regional candidate as George Wallace was in 1968, way too much ado is made of third parties along the lines who who they help or hurt. My opinion anyway.

Race, among Blacks Trump received 8% in 2016, he's polling 4% today, Hispanics, 28% in 2016, today he's polling 24%. Perhaps worse for Trump is the polling of white voters, In 2016 he won white voters 57-37 over Hillary. He's leading today among whites, 49-43 with 4% stating they'll vote third party, 4% undecided. Trump certainly has his work cut out for him. But all these figures are dynamic and change constantly, except for the 2016 figures.

Anyone who would waste their vote on West... only emphasis the level of overt ignorance.. this man does not only have Bi-Polar, which can be respected as a medical disability, he is at the level beyond his medical condition as being one with an overblown exaggerated sense of self, based on the group that surrounds him giving him praise so they can make a pay day and hang with what the arena of Celebrity.

Some people simply can't make a discerned distinction to come to terms to understand that having money, does not make one a universal scholar of all things. No title can do that, people earn by time invested in public service to be skilled in what it takes to be and perform as a public servant.

In the Governance of the Nation, we should not have any person pursuing the Office of the Presidency, who does not have educational experience in Constitutional Law, Knowledge of Geo Political Understanding, Political Science, with some background study that includes History, Sociology, and some aspect of course study in psychology, and/or Know and understand our Legal System and has some experiences with areas of serving the public in a format and frame that deals with governance and or law, public programs and public policy. We have an abundance of people who have this type of background.

The last thing we should be electing is people who have popularity based on having money, or being known for their public entertainment.

We've had enough of these TV Entertainer.... trying to run the governance of this nation.

Even on the local levels, it matters that people have a vested interest and some level of background working with some aspect and level of public services.

 

[jotathought]

What you support is just an opinion. I am just telling you the facts.

Do you disagree that a low-educated, highly informed voter adds more value than a highly-educated, low informed voter?

 

[trblmkr]

Do you disagree that a low-educated, highly informed voter adds more value than a highly-educated, low informed voter?

Kind of matters where that "informed" comes from. The educated part, not so much. My sister in law just forwarded some QAnon crap accusing Joe Biden of being a child molester. How the hell do I respond to that? How do you walk that line with family? So, while she is informed, she is very poorly informed. And she is spreading that misinformation.

 

[lurchadams]

I will be glad when this election is over. Debate on this forum has reached the point of ridiculousness. More name calling and outlandish lies than anything else. What will it be In two more months. I think you could vote today and have the same result that you will after 2 months of campaigning. Anybody undecided now probably won't vote anyway. I don't believe the campaigns will change any minds.

Do you really believe there are undecided voters out there?

Yes, and they're idiots, even more so than trump voters.

 

[jotathought]

Kind of matters where that "informed" comes from. The educated part, not so much. My sister in law just forwarded some QAnon crap accusing Joe Biden of being a child molester. How the hell do I respond to that? How do you walk that line with family? So, while she is informed, she is very poorly informed. And she is spreading that misinformation.

Why wouldn't your sister research and corroborate other sources to determine its legitimacy? Googling isn't that difficult to do research, many people are too lazy to do it, and rely on social media for their news/opinions: the trifecta of a low-informed voter.

 

[trblmkr]

Why wouldn't your sister research and corroborate other sources to determine its legitimacy? Googling isn't that difficult to do research, many people are too lazy to do it, and rely on social media for their news/opinions: the trifecta of a low-informed voter.

Perhaps an addiction to vicodin? Not a subject I wish to breach.

 

[RealityNow]

We have lots of people occupied with their day to day challenges, until they don't care about the Politics... because they are unaware of how Politics contribute to society in ways that can and does intensify challenges to those who don't know the policies that have been promoted an put into practice.

There are many people who have great difficult filling out basic forms. We have train to learn how to do grant proposals, but are unscrupulous types who see it as a means to fleece the system, which damages the people who pursue grants for honest and civil and service objective to truly be of service to society.

I've seen so many contractors of various types pursue Government Contracts, and Grants... who do not have the integrity to do the work they claim. Others see an opportunity to fleece the systems and still others who have a nepotistic association that has means of such relations to illegally gain contracts and grants.

People don't care to read... that is a systemic problem across this nation. It's exampled in these forums, where people do not read anything that has more than 3 or 4 lines of text, and then we have others who can't interpret to understand what they read, because they are too busy trying to force fit it into the small boxes within their mind, and can't digest to comprehend category, perspective, context and applicable parameters. These same type fight the regulatory structure and guidelines and attack systems because they don't grasp the category, perspective, context and applicable parameters.

We have a general public that is not as civic informed and civic literate to grasp these things. They see something and "grab for it"... with no knowledge and many having not the sincer focus to actually meet the mandates and service performance that is required.

HUD had to make policy adjustment to how Grant Allocation were to be distributed, and they did this before the last Stimulus during the Obama Administration to avoid abuses of the programs. They put in place limits on the amounts that could be used for Administrative, and they set up metrics for spending and criteria for qualifying to be a beneficiary of the program benefits. They put these things in place before any funds were dispersed, and the programs moved along without the abuse that took place in the past. They also double checked everything and sent out auditors to do follow up checks to ensure jurisdictions followed the program and met the objectives it was designed to do.

The Stimulus Act under Obama did their homework before they started sending out the allocations of funds.
They followed up with other programs that had specific databases to manage compliance and performance.

We have people in places that are not up to learning new things, and many of those people were replaced with people who did learn and who did respect the work.

When the government create programs and the Politicians agree to fund it, they expect "positive results", that's why its important to get people who can learn, have understanding and follow the ethnic and adhere to the principles of the programs. There are people who don't realize they can be prosecuted for malfeasance, corruption, and gross abuse. Today, data systems can track the history of activity and they know exactly who, what, when, where and how one abused the system programs.

Thus so, General Society pretends to be unaware and act shocked when they are made aware of abuse of public position, programs and services... We've seen that with this Trump Administration how the cult devotee try and disbelieve the truth that facts support.

If a person does not have the integrity to respect and honor public service and uphold the ethics, then they should not get involved with it.

 

[RealityNow]

Public Service is about the lives of the people, the health and well being of the nation, its systems, its infrastructure and all things that are within and under the responsibilities of our system of governance, it has a connection to the national security of this nation.

People should learn to "vote responsibly".... if they understand what is involved with their voice of vote.

Not this stupidity of cult worship of a man, with disregard for nation, as we've seen of the people who have engaged 'cult devotion" behind the vile and malice of Trump and these Republican sedition artist who have done so much damage over the past 11.5 yrs that it may take us a decade or so to fix all of it. Hopefully, with the use of technology, we can fix it in the 4-6 years of the Biden/Harris Administration... if they can get that done in that time frame it will give them 2 additional years to tweak it and solidify it where it can't be damaged in the case that by some wild chance that another right wing confederate agenda promoting buffoon somehow get in our seat of the presidency.

Obama knew what kind of vile he was dealing with in the continual republican led attacks, so he built ACA in ways they could not easily destroy it and they certainly have tried for 9.x yrs... We still to this day have ignorantly groomed rabid right wing confederates within the republican system still trying to damage Social Security and Medicate after all the years it has been in place. Thank goodness Roosevelt, Johnson and Obama built these things with guards against the rabid right wing confederates and their incessant attacks.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Do you disagree that a low-educated, highly informed voter adds more value than a highly-educated, low informed voter?

I believe people with a low academic education are less likely to be highly educated about politics, so it cannot be either/or. Academic intelligence certainly makes people more capable of understanding all of the political issues and how American government was supposed to work, not just our repeated failures to protect our republic and democracy. Of course someone who has a low education advancement but is very highly educated about politics is a more valuable voter. But without a higher education level, how can a voter fully understand Republican stupidity and corruption when he or she sees it?

 

[jotathought]

I believe people with a low academic education are less likely to be highly educated about politics, so it cannot be either/or. Academic intelligence certainly makes people more capable of understanding all of the political issues and how American government was supposed to work, not just our repeated failures to protect our republic and democracy. Of course someone who has a low education advancement but is very highly educated about politics is a more valuable voter. But without a higher education level, how can a voter fully understand Republican stupidity and corruption when he or she sees it?

I would challenge that a high-level of education equates to a robust knowledge of how government works. Certainly they would have a better capacity to understand, and that capacity is useless when their due diligence isn't exercised. I see some common ground with our opinions.

 

[Deepnation10009]

delusional. McCain would have lost regardless because Dubya was bad president who made Republicans unelectable in 2008.

ironically, you guys are going down the same path right now with Trump.

That is exactly how I see it. There may be some undecided, but I don't think they are going to make a difference one way or the next.

 

[Puigb]

really? so the Democrats swept the congressional races and governor's races as well

Obama came into power with significantly stronger majorities than Trump did in 2016. He also crushed McCain, where as Trump barely won 8 years later.