UN soldiers reportedly helped Hizbullah kidnap Israelis (1 Viewer)

[Goobieman]

Hmmm.
I wonder who made THIS call:

According an Indian solider in UNIFIL who witnessed the kidnapping, "By this stage, there was a big commotion and dozens of UN soldiers from the Indian brigade came around." The witness stated that the brigade knew that the kidnappers in UN uniform were Hezbollah. One soldiers said that the brigade should arrest the Hezbollah, but the brigade did nothing.

According to the Indian soldier, the UNFIL brigade in the area "could have prevented the kidnapping."

"I’m very sorry about what happened, because we saw what happened," he said. Hezbollah "were wearing our uniforms and it was too bad we didn’t stop them."

http://www.israelinsider.com/channels/diplomacy/articles/dip_0061.htm
http://volokh.com/posts/1153523571.shtml

Hezbollah "were wearing our uniforms and it was too bad we didn’t stop them."
This is a war crime. Right?

 

[KidRocks]

Hmmm.
I wonder who made THIS call:


http://www.israelinsider.com/channels/diplomacy/articles/dip_0061.htm
http://volokh.com/posts/1153523571.shtml

Hezbollah "were wearing our uniforms and it was too bad we didn’t stop them."
This is a war crime. Right?

And now we know the possible reason behind the killing of 4 UN soldiers by Israel.

I rest my case! Class dismissed!

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Hmmm you mean you found a case were the UN or it's actions were useless and had no effect... Imagine the likely hood of that ever happening with an organization that so many people find to be compitent and well run....LOL

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Hmmm.
I wonder who made THIS call:


http://www.israelinsider.com/channels/diplomacy/articles/dip_0061.htm
http://volokh.com/posts/1153523571.shtml

Hezbollah "were wearing our uniforms and it was too bad we didn’t stop them."
This is a war crime. Right?

There terrorists.. It's allowed. They don't have to follow any rules... Ony we do .....

And now on to our show...................................

 

[oldreliable67]

And now we know the possible reason behind the killing of 4 UN soldiers by Israel.

Just so everyone is clear on this, the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers described in Goobieman's cites in the above post occured in 2001. Those cites do not refer to the most recent episode. Consequently, we may or may not know the possible reason behind the killing of 4 UN soldiers by Israel.

 

[Goobieman]

Just so everyone is clear on this, the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers described in Goobieman's cites in the above post occured in 2001. Those cites do not refer to the most recent episode. Consequently, we may or may not know the possible reason behind the killing of 4 UN soldiers by Israel.

Even if it were 2006, I still dont see Israel aribtraily bombing a UN site as punishment.

 

[Captain America]

The only possible reason I can think of is that they were at the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[Voidwar]

Figure it out kids, , , this one don't even require my decoder ring.

Hezbollah knows the area, and right where the women in blue helmets are.
Hezbollah then goes engage IDF, fall back a bit, engage, and lures them to eventually hit the place where the U.N. observers are.

 

[oldreliable67]

Even if it were 2006, I still dont see Israel aribtraily bombing a UN site as punishment.

Don't misunderstand, I don't either. Those who have not experienced combat simply don't comprehend what has come to be known as "the fog of war".

The "how and why" of the UN post being bombed will eventually become public knowledge. Until then, those that would proclaim Israel "deliberate" (or even "apparently deliberate") actions are simply revealing their agenda.

Until then, we simply don't know. I suspect, though, that Voidwar may have it pretty well right. This tactic would be quite consistent with demonstrated Hezbollah operational methods.

 

[Goobieman]

Don't misunderstand, I don't either. Those who have not experienced combat simply don't comprehend what has come to be known as "the fog of war".

The "how and why" of the UN post being bombed will eventually become public knowledge. Until then, those that would proclaim Israel "deliberate" (or even "apparently deliberate") actions are simply revealing their agenda.

Right. Unless Israel admits to such a thing, there's no way to intelligently determine that is was a deliberate act.

 

[KidRocks]

Figure it out kids, , , this one don't even require my decoder ring.

Hezbollah knows the area, and right where the women in blue helmets are.
Hezbollah then goes engage IDF, fall back a bit, engage, and lures them to eventually hit the place where the U.N. observers are.

If you can figure it out don't you think that the Israelis figured that out to?

Hmmm?

 

[PeteEU]

and this information is from great unbiased sources?

First off, if Isreal had any such information or proof, they would have blurted it out to all media. They HATE the UN force in South Lebanon and its not the first time Isreal has fired on UN outposts in "accidents".. this time it only cost 4 people thier lives.... once Isreal bombed a UN base and killed over 100 people.. that was an "accident" also.

Secondly the UN aint exactly popular among the radicals in the south either and the UN observation units there are not happy about them either.

Frankly as I see its a lame attempt by someone to provide false and unpoven propoganda to "justify" the diliberate attack on the UN compound.

 

[oldreliable67]

If you can figure it out don't you think that the Israelis figured that out to?

Hmmm?

Not necessarily. It may sound easy to you, sitting there in the comfort of your chair and typing away on your trusty keyboard, with little else to worry about but whether or not you have enough beer money for this evenings' bar troll. But, I guarantee you that things are a lot less certain, clear and unequivocal when you are locked in combat. There is confusion, dust, smoke, the smell of cordite (and worse), fear and apprehension. Conflicting emotions, and sometimes conflicting orders abound.

 

[Kelzie]

and this information is from great unbiased sources?

First off, if Isreal had any such information or proof, they would have blurted it out to all media. They HATE the UN force in South Lebanon and its not the first time Isreal has fired on UN outposts in "accidents".. this time it only cost 4 people thier lives.... once Isreal bombed a UN base and killed over 100 people.. that was an "accident" also.

Secondly the UN aint exactly popular among the radicals in the south either and the UN observation units there are not happy about them either.

Frankly as I see its a lame attempt by someone to provide false and unpoven propoganda to "justify" the diliberate attack on the UN compound.

Once again, the kidnapping that the article refers to occured in 2001. Are you trying to suggest that Israel waited five years to retaliate?

 

[Goobieman]

Frankly as I see its a lame attempt by someone to provide false and unpoven propoganda to "justify" the diliberate attack on the UN compound.

Given that the incident from the story was in 2001, how does your claim, above, hold any water?

 

[KidRocks]

Not necessarily. It may sound easy to you, sitting there in the comfort of your chair and typing away on your trusty keyboard, with little else to worry about but whether or not you have enough beer money for this evenings' bar troll. But, I guarantee you that things are a lot less certain, clear and unequivocal when you are locked in combat. There is confusion, dust, smoke, the smell of cordite (and worse), fear and apprehension. Conflicting emotions, and sometimes conflicting orders abound.

Well all I can say is that Israel is in a lot of trouble if indeed it's army can be easily confused in combat.

God Bless Israel, they'll need it now!

 

[KidRocks]

Given that the incident from the story was in 2001, how does your claim, above, hold any water?

Question:

Goobieman, why did you even post such an article that was apparently dated back to 2001?

What was your motive?

 

[PeteEU]

Given that the incident from the story was in 2001, how does your claim, above, hold any water?

Did not see it was from 2001.. my bad. Still I would not put it past them to try to "justify" the attack some how.

 

[oldreliable67]

and this information is from great unbiased sources?

If you are referring to the 2001 incident involving Hezbollah kidnapping and subsequent killing of Israeli soldiers as being "propaganda", you should be aware that the UN did eventually permit the Israeli gov't to view the and edited version of the video tape of the incident. The tape was edited to obscure the faces of the Hezbollah perpetrators. Truth can never be biased or propaganda.

...while I was typing the above, you posted acknowledgment of the fact that the incident referred to was in 2001, which, of course, renders moot my comments above.

 

[Voidwar]

If you can figure it out don't you think that the Israelis figured that out to?

Hmmm?

Sure, on monday morning.

With regards to my hypothesis, your posting does nothing to change which party, with malice and aforethought, drew fire onto an observer's position.

I doubt the Israeli's knew the observers were there till the Hezbollah's luring worked.