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UN: Observers didn't accuse any side of using chemical weapons

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New York, (SANA)- Spokesman of the UN Secretary General Farhan Haq said that a vehicle of the observers came under fire which stopped work, adding that there were no casualties or details on the source of the fire."Members of the observer team returned to their residence and evaluate the procedures of today's work and maybe they resume work tomorrow," Haq said in a statement by the international organization.
He added "we didn't accuse any side as chemical weapons could be used by any party… we call for not using them because this constitutes a violation of the international law regardless of the side which uses them."


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Syrian Arab news agency - SANA - Syria : Syria news ::

Im not gonna take my governments word for it saying they are certain that the Syrian gov used chemical weapons im gonna wait for the UN's analysis.
 
The Syrian Arab News Agency may have a slightly different tune after Syria gets bombed back into the Stone Age.

That was the UN who made the statements.... SANA just reported it.
 
We need to stay out of Syria. I don't know what is in Republicans hands. We should not bomb Assad and put Ah Qaeda in charge. Let them keep fighting each other so they kill each other off.
 
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Im not gonna take my governments word for it saying they are certain that the Syrian gov used chemical weapons im gonna wait for the UN's analysis. [/FONT][/COLOR]

The UN inspectors won't find anything, Assad wouldn't have let them in if they could. It has been reported that Assad bombed the area over the past days to destroy any remaining evidence, and that trace of the gas would be hard to find a few days after.

I think the US has no motive to say there was use of chemical weapons if there wasn't any as they are already reluctant to act in Syria, the only reason they do is to signal to Iran that they stand firm on their "red lines" and will act if they are crossed.
 
I am pretty sure you can tell from the causualties blood test. dont you watch CSI?
The UN inspectors won't find anything, Assad wouldn't have let them in if they could. It has been reported that Assad bombed the area over the past days to destroy any remaining evidence, and that trace of the gas would be hard to find a few days after.

I think the US has no motive to say there was use of chemical weapons if there wasn't any as they are already reluctant to act in Syria, the only reason they do is to signal to Iran that they stand firm on their "red lines" and will act if they are crossed.
 
You can find evidence even after USA bomb Syria, even after 6 months.
Not Assad, but no one can hide evidence of chemical weapons in just a couple of days.
 
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Im not gonna take my governments word for it saying they are certain that the Syrian gov used chemical weapons im gonna wait for the UN's analysis. [/FONT][/COLOR]

I have extremely low regard for the UN investigation teams. I'd have much preferred a neutral country in general (like Switzerland or Sweden) had sent a national team to review the findings.
 
I have extremely low regard for the UN investigation teams. I'd have much preferred a neutral country in general (like Switzerland or Sweden) had sent a national team to review the findings.

I have extremely low regard for the UN investigation teams. I'd have much preferred a neutral country in general (like Switzerland or Sweden) had sent a national team to review the findings.

Do you have any source or proof that the UN investigative team is somehow bias?
 
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Im not gonna take my governments word for it saying they are certain that the Syrian gov used chemical weapons im gonna wait for the UN's analysis. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Then you're going to be waiting a long time. The UN is not investigating who used chemical weapons. The UN team's only mandate is to determine IF chemical weapons were used. They likely will make no comment as to who used them.
 
Do you have any source or proof that the UN investigative team is somehow bias?

No, I just think historically they have tended to do a very bad job. I'm not a fan of the kinds of people who are drawn to those particular kinds of missions, they do a bad job of contextualizing things and always seem to be the odd analysis 'out' when grouped with other surveys and assessments whether its in the Congo or Georgia. I don't know if its because of bias, the quality of people drawn to their missions, the multinational and institutional pressures placed on a UN sponsored team, or what. This is mostly my personal anecdotal experience mind you so I don't blame you for discounting it. Doctors Without Borders, national teams from Sweden, Switzerland (best), Canadian, etc are my preference. My least favorite are Irish, Norwegian, and usually UN teams.
 
I don't pay any attention to what the propaganda arms of regimes that gas their own innocent citizens have to say about anything.

There are plenty of other, more reliable, sources of information.

There has yet to be any conclusuve evidence as to who did the chem attacks. I have posted in another thread that according to experts, the opposition's evidence is rather suspect.
 
There has yet to be any conclusuve evidence as to who did the chem attacks. I have posted in another thread that according to experts, the opposition's evidence is rather suspect.




I don't pay any attention to what anyone who supports the Syrian regime has to say about anything.
 
I don't pay any attention to what anyone who supports the Syrian regime has to say about anything.

Please, show me evidence that I have supported the Syrian regime.

EDIT: Continue to ignore the facts, if that's what you want to do.
 
Please, show me evidence that I have supported the Syrian regime.

EDIT: Continue to ignore the facts, if that's what you want to do.




I will continue to ignore fact-free malarkey.

Wait and see what happens.
 
I will continue to ignore fact-free malarkey.

Wait and see what happens.

Actually, I have presented facts. I just said they were in a different thread. Let me post it here.


In regards to the use of chemical weapons, there seems to be serious doubt surrounding some of the videos released which accuse the regime of chemical attacks.

From the Hindustan Times, but cross-posted from AFP: Syria: 1,300 killed in gas attack, says Oppn - Hindustan Times

And in videos posted on YouTube, the Syrian Revolution General Commission, another activist group, showed what it called "a terrible massacre committed by regime forces with toxic gas."

The attack "led to suffocation of the children and overcrowding field hospitals with hundreds of casualties amid extreme shortage of medical supplies to rescue the victims, particularly atropine," the LCC said.

In one video, children are seen being given first aid in a field hospital, notably oxygen to help them breathe. Doctors appear to be trying to resuscitate unconscious children.


Specialists in the impact of chemical weapons said the video evidence was not entirely convincing.

“At the moment, I am not totally convinced because the people that are helping them are without any protective clothing and without any respirators,” said Paula Vanninen, director of Verifin, the Finnish Institute for Verification of the Chemical Weapons Convention.

“In a real case, they would also be contaminated and would also be having symptoms.”

John Hart, head of the Chemical and Biological Security Project at Stockholm International Peace Research Institute said he had not seen the telltale evidence in the eyes of the victims that would be compelling evidence of chemical weapons use.

“Of the videos that I’ve seen for the last few hours, none of them show pinpoint pupils… this would indicate exposure to organophosphorus nerve agents,” he said.


Gwyn Winfield, editor of CBRNe World magazine, which specialises in chemical weapons issues, said the evidence did not suggest that the chemicals used were of the weapons-grade that the Syrian army possesses in its stockpiles.

“We’re not seeing reports that doctors and nurses… are becoming fatalities, so that would suggest that the toxicity of it isn’t what we would consider military sarin. It may well be that it is a lower-grade,” Winfield told AFP.

Stephen Johnson, an expert in weapons and chemical explosives at Cranfield Forensic Institute, has argued that some of the videos look suspect.

Expert casts doubt on Syria chemical weapons footage | euronews, world news

"There are, within some of the videos, examples which seem a little hyper-real, and almost as if they’ve been set up. Which is not to say that they are fake but it does cause some concern. Some of the people with foaming, the foam seems to be too white, too pure, and not consistent with the sort of internal injury you might expect to see, which you’d expect to be bloodier or yellower."
 
No, I just think historically they have tended to do a very bad job. I'm not a fan of the kinds of people who are drawn to those particular kinds of missions, they do a bad job of contextualizing things and always seem to be the odd analysis 'out' when grouped with other surveys and assessments whether its in the Congo or Georgia. I don't know if its because of bias, the quality of people drawn to their missions, the multinational and institutional pressures placed on a UN sponsored team, or what. This is mostly my personal anecdotal experience mind you so I don't blame you for discounting it. Doctors Without Borders, national teams from Sweden, Switzerland (best), Canadian, etc are my preference. My least favorite are Irish, Norwegian, and usually UN teams.

So you just think they do a bad job? Just because they disagree with our findings? Have you ever thought that our findings are extremly bias becuase we always have some huge agenda in these sort of scenarios?
 
I will say something "International Law" is a joke. There is no such thing in reality. One country doesn't rule another country.

That is not what international law is. International law applies to all countries its not a country "ruling another country".
 
That is not what international law is. International law applies to all countries its not a country "ruling another country".

Same principle, Countries are soverign and don't answer to anyone else outside of military conflicts.
 
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