UN list targets firms linked to Israeli settlements

[oneworld2]

This argument is the equivalent of saying white supremacists are not antisemetic if they are not burning down Jewish schools.

just saying.

Why do you people always come out with these wholly ridiculous equivalences ?

How about you don't think of something else and deal/respond to what is put in front of you ?

How about responding to the comment that the " UN ignores evil world wide ". Is that tenable, if so how so ?

How many countries don't recognize the state of Israel in the UN ?

How can the UN , how about this for a hyperbolic gem , seriously be charged with the following accusation ?........... " They can't cope with living in a world where Jews are seen as human beings allowed to live in security."

If that where true they could have just never allowed/supported a Jewish state in Palestine.

The could have forced Israel back to partition plan bounderies.

They could have denied it entry into the UN itself.

They could have enforced various UNSC resolutions ( as they have elsewhere ) to end the Israeli illegal occupation and settlement of Palestinian lands and end the half century violations by Israel of the Palestinian people.

The charge is just the usual hyperbolic rubbish people here who are aware of the hasbara tactics being deployed to act as a fig leaf for outright criminality roll their eyes at. Same with the equivalences too.

Just deal with what's put in front of you. How hard can it be?

 

[dixon01767]

The UN antisemitic? They took land away from the Palestinians & gave it to the Jews. That's hardly antisemitic. Now it's prosmitic & taking land away from the Palestinians.

They took it away from the Ottoman empire and gave it to the people, Arab and Jews

 

[oneworld2]

fascinating. Are you suggesting a case study looking at Cyprus as a comparison? You must be, since you seem to be advancing the theory that it is the length of time of violations that creates an increased focus on the activity, and the Turks invaded and illegally occupied Cyprus in 1974. So therefore, you mjust be proposing that the degree of condemnation of Turkey must be at least proximate to the degree of opprobrium lavished on the Jewish state by the impartial and noble United Nations.

Would be an easy enough exercise to even normalize for the difference in dates of the occupations, say by comparing the currently yearly condemnations of Turkey to the condemnations of Israel 7 years ago. Or maybe use a different conflict or a much larger, more sustained human rights violation. Maybe China? Surely there must be some roughly equivalent situation which would show that your idea that condemnation is correlated to duration has merit as applied to this case rather than various other theories that may have more support from the data?

That would certainly lend credence to your theory, which otherwise would be pretty much just an empty, meaningless, made up diversion to avoid having to, you know, recognize reality.

But I look forward to the data on that.

There are a whole raft of UNSC and UNGA resolutions concerning the situation in Cyprus too. Each case needs to be taken on an individual basis. The Cyprus/Greek/Turkish conflict has it's own specific history but whatever people want to make of it it doesn't compare to the I/P for a couple of very important reasons.

A Neither the Greeks nor the Turks nor the individual Cypriots are denying the other self determination. Can the same be said of I/P ?

Nope because the situation is that one nation, the state of Israel, is denying the right of self determination to the people of the other nation , the Palestinians. Not only are they denying them that right, they have built illegal settlements in that territory that ensure the mass HRs violations of the Palestinians on a daily basis . Not only that, the IDF regularly wages horrific attacks on that virtually defenceless people as and when it chooses. Is that happening in Cyprus ? Nope, nothing like it.

B The UN bears a significant and direct responsibility for the situation between the Israelis and the Palestinians itself, insomuch that it ignored the wishes of the majority of Palestinian citizens living in Palestine in 1947 with the support for the state itself. Can the same be said for Cyprus ? No, that is a conflict between two groups inhabiting an island but hailing from different nations. Like many of these regional conflicts tend to be founded on.

What we see in the I/P conflict is the ridiculous notion that the indigenous people aren't indigenous and the so called/self proclaimed indigenous people can come from all over the globe and take their place.

C Even if we take into account the Turkish invasion of Cyprus as an ongoing violation of Cypriot autonomy who else have the Turks attacked over the same period as the Israeli occupation of Palestine ? Maybe some Kurds and more recently Syrians but does that compare to how many countries/peoples Israel has attacked ? Nowhere near it and that's why Israel has more resolutions against it than Turkey does.

If you are a Sparta like nation prone to attacking others it makes perfect sense you would have a worse rap sheet than other places that don't

 

[dixon01767]

sure

on Russia

OHCHR | UN report details grave human rights violations in Russian-occupied Crimea

That's four years old. Where is their list of Russian companies doing business in occupied crimea?

 

[oneworld2]

They took it away from the Ottoman empire and gave it to the people, Arab and Jews

Not the UN

The League of Nations granted the European colonialst powers of France and Britain a type of custody over those lands after the defeat of the Ottomans.

 

[Fledermaus]

If you want to bury your head in the sand about state terrorism that's your call or compulsion but to not even think that the IDF have never committed any act or prosecuted any action of violence against the Palestinians in the half century they have been violating their rights on a daily basis that has constituted a crime beggars belief and shows a wholly obvious deep seated bias against Arabs, there is no other way that can be explained.

It's also not my fault that you fail to understand why and how things are labelled within the context in which they occur. All of the HRs group ALSO class certain actions as war crimes committed by both sides . In short it's not something that's perculiar to me.

SOSAD....

:roll:

 

[oneworld2]

That's four years old. Where is their list of Russian companies doing business in occupied crimea?

It was not meant to convey a similarity to the UN decision to name businesses trading off of the illegal settlements, it was meant to show that the UNHRC also criticizes other countries that violate HRs , not just Israel.

The naming of businesses trading within a frame work of ethnic discrimination/anti self determination can and has only applied to on one other occasion that I can recall but the rules don't allow it to be discussed

 

[dixon01767]

It was not meant to convey a similarity to the UN decision to name businesses trading off of the illegal settlements, it was meant to show that the UNHRC also criticizes other countries that violate HRs , not just Israel.

Doing business isnt a HR violation.

 

[oneworld2]

Doing business isnt a HR violation.

Profiteering from a war crime is a war crime violation issue, possibly a leagl issue. Profiteering from war crimes that are impacting massively on the HRs of millions of people is also an issue.

Why do I get the impression you don't really care about HRs violations anyway ?

 

[dixon01767]

Profiteering from a war crime is a war crime violation issue, possibly a leagl issue. Profiteering from war crimes that are impacting massively on the HRs of millions of people is also an issue.

Why do I get the impression you don't really care about HRs violations anyway ?

The business provides jobs to Palestinians desperate for work with no violation of their rights. I read they make more and have better benefits than those received by Palestinians who work for Palestinian owned businesses.

 

[oneworld2]

The business provides jobs to Palestinians desperate for work with no violation of their rights. I read they make more and have better benefits than those received by Palestinians who work for Palestinian owned businesses.

The list of business sectors involved are directly linked to the protection of , viability of , illegal Israeli settlements in the OPTs and the impact of the settlements and the sustanance to the detriment of the local Palestinians.

Here's a UN list of what is being targeted and why

(a) The supply of equipment and materials facilitating the construction and the expansion of settlements and the wall, and associated infrastructures;

(b) The supply of surveillance and identification equipment for settlements, the wall and checkpoints directly linked with settlements;

(c) The supply of equipment for the demolition of housing and property, the destruction of agricultural farms, greenhouses, olive groves and crops;

(d) The supply of security services, equipment and materials to enterprises operating in settlements;

(e) The provision of services and utilities supporting the maintenance and existence of settlements, including transport;

(f) Banking and financial operations helping to develop, expand or maintain settlements and their activities, including loans for housing and the development of businesses;

(g) The use of natural resources, in particular water and land, for business purposes;

(h) Pollution, and the dumping of waste in or its transfer to Palestinian villages;

(i) Captivity of the Palestinian financial and economic markets, as well as practices that disadvantage Palestinian enterprises, including through restrictions on movement, administrative and legal constraints;

(j) Use of benefits and reinvestments of enterprises owned totally or partially by settlers for developing, expanding and maintaining the settlements.

https://www.un.org/webcast/pdfs/SRES2334-2016.pdf

Obviously those I chose to bold are direct violations of Palestinian rights, IE the aiding of the demolition of palestinian homes , farms , orchards etc etc in order to accomodate the illegal settlements. The capturing of Palestinian markets and the unfair opportunities for Palestinian participation in the Palestinian market itself.

Additionally the issuing of permission favours illegal Israeli settler businesses over Palestinian ones due to the discriminatory conditions in place due to the Israeli control/occupation of palestine

According to HRW the disparity is glaring

One is the financial and regulatory incentives that the Israeli government provides to settlement businesses, but not to local Palestinian businesses, in order to encourage the economic development of settlements. The other is the discriminatory way that the Civil Administration, the unit in the Israeli military responsible for civilian affairs in the West Bank, issues permits for the construction and operation of settlement companies, often on land confiscated or expropriated from Palestinians in violation of international humanitarian law, while severely restricting such permits for Palestinian businesses. It is therefore Human Rights Watch's view that businesses operating in or with settlements are inextricably linked to, and benefit from, Israel’s privileged and discriminatory treatment of settlements at the expense of Palestinians.

How Settlement Businesses Contribute to Israel’s Violations of Palestinian Rights | HRW

If you want to kid yourself that there is anything but a power dynamic going on here that sees the oppressed forced to assist the oppressors in their ongoing oppression for a lack of any alternative and most likely against their core politics just out of sheer desperation and necessity feel free but some of us see it as pretty abhorrent hence the movement against illegal settlement profiteering

 

[dixon01767]

If you want to kid yourself that there is anything but a power dynamic going on here that sees the oppressed forced to assist the oppressors in their ongoing oppression for a lack of any alternative and most likely against their core politics just out of sheer desperation and necessity feel free but some of us see it as pretty abhorrent hence the movement against illegal settlement profiteering

A job with good pay and benefits isn't oppression

 

[oneworld2]

A job with good pay and benefits isn't oppression

So you just ignore all the stuff I put up about home demolitions and pro settler business dicrimination, dumping on Palestinian lands etc etc to say that ?