sanman
DP Veteran
- Joined
- Nov 22, 2015
- Messages
- 12,014
- Reaction score
- 4,643
- Gender
- Undisclosed
- Political Leaning
- Conservative
Your quite right that the international order has been challenged many times, as well as has been the sovereignty of many countries. Poland, Hungry, Czechoslovakia, Georgia, etc. come to mind. However, whatever the wisdom of NATO's decision to become entangled in the Balkans (which seemed very unwise to me at the time) your comparison suffers from your lack of knowledge.
Kosovo can request and reason as it likes, it has no relevancy to NATO's decision to assist a victim of naked aggression conducted by a declared enemy of its current members. Nato's actions against Serbian ethnic cleansing had nothing to do turning Serbia into an unwilling EU member or puppet state. The Balkans were already at war between various nations. refugees were spilling over international borders, ethnic cleansing underway, and Serbia was the primary cause. This wasn't remotely comparable to Putin's intentional aggression against a peaceful state, conquest and annexation of territory, and sponsorship of so-called "separatists" as a mercenary force and Russian proxy.
Actually, it's very obvious you are parroting a party line, a rationalization for your antipathy for the west and sympathy for a strongman bully. Yes, about 30 percent of the country use Russian as their first language but about half those are also loyal to a Ukranian state, not Russia.
No, Senator McCarthy - opposing an American empire is not the same as opposing the American nation. The reality is that only one can exist in the end. I would rather see America the nation exist than an American empire.
And the Yan. govt was barely elected
Bill Clinton was barely elected, JFK was barely elected -- does that give those who resent a leader the right to eliminate him and effect regime change?
under his promise to support and sign EU membership, the conclusion of five years of hard negotiations with the EU. Days before he was to sign, he was summoned to meet Putin who then promised to tear up contracts with Eastern Ukranian manufacturers and put hundreds of thousands of Yan. supporters out of work.
Yan. broke his promise, angry voters turned out, the democratic parliament tossed him out, and that was that. The fraud was nominally democratically elected and democratically removed. Putin's blackmail backfired. That should be the end of story.
Hey, Jan 6 had plenty of angry people storming the gates of power too. How come so many of those people deserve to be imprisoned?
Your attitude reeks of double standards and hypocrisy. Do As I Say, But Not As I Do. You want to have you cake and eat it too.
And no, the Russian language was not trying to be outlawed. The law of 2012 was trying to be repealed to return to the prior law, and then a new law made. Ukrainian would be the language used by the State (as already in their constitution) and Russian also used wherever those speakers were greater than 10 percent of the population.
And no, Crimea was not in Russia's hands, it was predominately Russian speaking in population but a part of Ukraine. The Russian naval base was "Guantanamo", Crimea as a whole was Cuba. Putin decided to invade "Cuba" because he wasn't happy with just a base.
Crimea was already in Russian hands, like Guantanamo is in American hands. Cuba would be Ukraine as a whole.
And what do I expect people to do when an agent of a foreign power gains office by fraud? I expect the government to use its power of impeachment to toss the guy out. And, in the context of the people's rage, they did.
No, if you accept Maidan 2014, then you have to accept Jan 6 as legitimate. Otherwise, you're trying to have your cake and eat it too; Hypocritical double standards based on nitpickery and hair-splitting.