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Ukraine's Right Sector Challenges Poroshenko After Police Standoff

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Ukraine's Right Sector Challenges Poroshenko After Police Standoff | News | The Moscow Times

Hmmm...

Caucasian nationalism is used in various ways in various places to achieve various ends. In Ukraine, it was used to help remove an undesirable element in the eyes of the Victoria Nuland crowd. However, as it usually is in the various places in which it is used, it is a Frankenstein that can be difficult to control.
 

Revolutionary situations are usually messy and can remain so for decades. So it is not surprising that it is so here. This is especially so as the old owner of the country has reoccupied a good slice formally and is assisting revolt in another. This is still aftermath of the fall of the Soviet.
 
Evidently there were some bombings on Tuesday that have been associated with Right Sector


Tensions rising in Ukraine as far-right militia’s boobytraps injure two police | World news | The Guardian

Like I said, its the same everywhere that Caucasian nationalism is used to achieve some political goal. Such people are incited to anger, and then the anger becomes difficult to control. The same can be said of radical Islamic ideology. For example Bin Laden was used to fight the Soviet Union, but then became a Frankenstein out of control.
 

I think the characterization of the situation in Ukraine as some sort of "revolutionary" movement is somewhat misleading. Revolutions are about creating fundamental structural change in society. For example the famous Bolshevik Revolution of Lenin, Trotsky, et al, was a revolution. There has been no fundamental structural change in Ukraine. Only a change in dominant proprietor.
 
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Indeed, protracted military intervention in a nation tends to push people toward extreme solutions. Russia should withdraw.
 

A very good point. As a side note, Russia is realizing the same truth about Frankenstein as several groups they brought in to restore the Empire have also spiralled out of control: Ukraine crisis: The last days of Aleksey Mozgovoi, rebel hero of the 'Ghost' battalion - killed in an ambush - Europe - World - The Independent
 
Indeed, protracted military intervention in a nation tends to push people toward extreme solutions. Russia should withdraw.

Uh...

Right Sector was playing a very active military role before there was any military intervention on the part of Russia.
 
Uh...

Right Sector was playing a very active military role before there was any military intervention on the part of Russia.

You're saying sustained military intervention doesn't promote nationalism?
 

Wherein you are certainly right is in the similarity of the regimes in Moscow and Kiev, though the one in Ukraine is relatively benign, considering the strain it is under.
 
You're saying sustained military intervention doesn't promote nationalism?

No, that is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that Right Sector was involved in public, violent extremism long before Russia sent troops into Ukraine. Their violent activity was ONE among other factors that forced Yanukovych to flee the country.
 

Well, the one thing to consider in this standoff is that that racism is not a unique trait to one political faction over the other in Ukraine. They are all mostly white neanderthals.
 
Well, the one thing to consider in this standoff is that that racism is not a unique trait to one political faction over the other in Ukraine. They are all mostly white neanderthals.

Right Sector is the remnants of WWII Nazi influence in Ukraine. Similar ideology that appeals to people who are at an insecure point in their lives and who can be used for the self aggrandizement of people who know how to harness the frustrated sentiments in people looking to justify their perceived frail existence. It manifests itself in many different ways, in many different forms, at many different places, and at many different times. It's an old story, and one that will likely never end.
 
Here's something from Voice of America


Ukraine Nationalists: Country Headed for Coup
 
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