[W:#23,579]Ukraine War Thread

[JANFU]

Would make one hell of a target.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

 

[justoneman]

This war will not end in a military victory. Ukraine will withdraw into fortified defensive positions. The west will continue to destroy the Russian economy until the Putin government falls.

Putin will be happy for Ukraine to withdraw into fortified positions in the west. Europe will continue to buy Russia's petroleum products.


I seem to recall you saying Ukraine was winning the war and soon would push Russia back to Moscow.

 

[justoneman]

Russian separatists claim to be in the center of Lysychansk battling the Ukrainian forces there.

Russia fires missiles across Ukraine, cements gains in east

Russian forces are seeking to swallow up the last remaining Ukrainian stronghold in the eastern Luhansk region while pressing their momentum following the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from the charred ruins of Sievierodonetsk.

apnews.com

 

[Yakshi]

Thank God.

 

[JANFU]

It confirms what many have been saying for some time. Generals removed, chains of command altered, while the UAF has been more than whittling down Officers from Lt up.

Russians troops and kit took severe losses in the Donbas.

The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) announced the commanders of the “central” and “southern” groupings of forces in Ukraine on June 24, confirming previously rumored changes reported on June 21.[1] Spokesperson for the Russian MoD Igor Konashenkov stated on June 24 that Commander of the Central Military District Colonel General Alexander Lapin is in command of the "central” group of forces, which is responsible for operations against Lysychansk (and presumably Severodonetsk).[2] Konashenkov additionally stated that Army General Sergei Surovikin, commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces, commands the ”southern” group of forces and oversaw the encirclement of Hirske and Zolote.[3] The Russian MoD’s announcement confirms ISW’s assessment from June 21 that the Russian high command is reshuffling and restructuring military command in order to better organize operations in Ukraine, though the Russian MoD statement does not state when the changes occurred.[4] The UK MoD confirmed that the Russian command has removed several generals from key operational roles in Ukraine, including Commander of the Airborne Forces (VDV) Colonel General Andrei Serdyukov and Commander of Russia’s Southern Military District Alexander Dvornikov, who was likely was acting as overall theatre commander.[5] The UK MoD noted that command of the Southern Military District will transfer to Surovikin.[6] The Russian MoD’s statement notably only discusses the center and south force groupings (not the Southern Military District as a whole), but Dvornikov has likely been removed from his previous role.

Institute for the Study of War

The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) announced the commanders of the “central” and “southern” groupings of forces in Ukraine on June 24, confirming previously rumored changes reported on June 21. Spokesperson for the Russian MoD Igor Konashenkov stated o

www.understandingwar.org

 

[JANFU]

Many Nooses and are all getting tighter

 

[JANFU]

Possible paywall/article limit
What NATO releases is highly scripted
As mentioned before, never a leak on what NATO is doing behind the scenes
Clearly MSM is locking this down tight. And will not break sensitive information that would benefit Russia

At the same time, a few dozen commandos from other NATO countries, including Britain, France, Canada and Lithuania, also have been working inside Ukraine. The United States withdrew its own 150 military instructors before the war began in February, but commandos from these allies either remained or have gone in and out of the country since then, training and advising Ukrainian troops and providing an on-the-ground conduit for weapons and other aid, three U.S. officials said.

Shortly after Russia invaded Ukraine in February, the Army’s 10th Special Forces Group, which before the war had been training Ukrainian commandos at a base in the country’s west, quietly established a coalition planning cell in Germany to coordinate military assistance to Ukrainian commandos and other Ukrainian troops. The cell has now grown to 20 nations.

Commando Network Coordinates Flow of Weapons in Ukraine, Officials Say (Published 2022)

A secretive operation involving U.S. Special Operations forces hints at the scale of the effort to assist Ukraine’s still outgunned military.

www.nytimes.com

 

[JANFU]

Thank God.

Was scrolling thru as I have been busy in RL & kissed some great information. That said I will go back and read those that matter like @W_Heisenberg and others.

 

[JANFU]

The trolling by the pro-Putin crowd seems to get weaker and weaker. It's almost as their heart isn't in it anymore.

They in my mind state are despicable.
Who gets off on that ****ing shit?

 

[JANFU]

Face it. You are busted.

When I post flank does steak come to mind?

 

[justoneman]

When I post flank does steak come to mind?

No what comes to mind is you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[JANFU]

No what comes to mind is you don't know what you are talking about.

Try harder

 

[JANFU]

Just more good news, well not for Russia.

The Russian military will soon exhaust its combat capabilities and be forced to bring its offensive in Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region to a grinding halt, according to Western intelligence predictions and military experts.
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“There will come a time when the tiny advances Russia is making become unsustainable in light of the costs and they will need a significant pause to regenerate capability,” said a senior Western official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive issue.
The assessments come despite continued Russian advances against outgunned Ukrainian forces, including the capture on Friday of the city of Severodonetsk, the biggest urban center taken by Russia in the east since launching the latest Donbas offensive nearly three months ago.
The Russians are now closing in on the adjacent city of Lysychansk, on the opposite bank of the Donets River. The town’s capture would give Russia almost complete control of the Luhansk oblast, one of two oblasts, or provinces, that make up the Donbas region. Control of Donbas is the publicly declared goal of Russia’s “special military operation,” although the multifront invasion launched in February made it clear that Moscow’s original ambitions were far broader.

And the cruncher

Officials refuse to offer a time frame, but British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, citing intelligence assessments, indicated this week that Russia would be able to continue to fight on only for the “next few months.” After that, “Russia could come to a point when there is no longer any forward momentum because it has exhausted its resources,” he told the German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung in an interview.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/25/ukraine-russia-balance-of-forces/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=wp_main

 

[EnigmaO01]

Possible paywall/article limit
What NATO releases is highly scripted
As mentioned before, never a leak on what NATO is doing behind the scenes
Clearly MSM is locking this down tight. And will not break sensitive information that would benefit Russia

Commando Network Coordinates Flow of Weapons in Ukraine, Officials Say (Published 2022)

A secretive operation involving U.S. Special Operations forces hints at the scale of the effort to assist Ukraine’s still outgunned military.

www.nytimes.com

My dad was in the 10th Special Forces Group when they were based in Bad Tölz Germany back in the middle 60's. Enjoyed living there as a dependent. They then relocated in Ft. Devens, Massachusetts in I believe about 1968?

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

All National Print Media and not local, personal, regional print.

The law, adopted in 2019, does not ban publication in Russian but stipulates that a parallel Ukrainian version of equal scope and circulation must be published, too.

The law stipulates that, starting in mid-May, news sites registered in Ukraine must at least offer an equivalent Ukrainian-language version of articles. It requires that the Ukrainian version must open first.

Lets look at the claim.
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Is not what he said basically what you posted?


Perhaps you can point out the differences?

 

[Fledermaus]

Is not what he said basically what you posted?


Perhaps you can point out the differences?

Nope.

Perhaps you can tell the difference between an incorrect blanket statement (The only way the Russian speakers can publish anything in Russian) and a law that is far more restricted.

 

[Juin]

This war will not end in a military victory.

Russia can forget about a successful Special Military Operation?

Ukraine will withdraw into fortified defensive positions. ?

Ukraine's fortified defensive positions are in the Donbass. It's a lifetime experience for the Ukrainian troops stationed there. Front row seats to a rare performance by the famous Moscow Sergei Shoigu Symphony Ochestra.

The west will continue to destroy the Russian economy until the Putin government falls.

Sounds like Final Act in Götterdämmerung. Twilight of the gods. Wasn't last performance in Berlin 1945?

 

[Juin]

Putin will be happy for Ukraine to withdraw into fortified positions in the west. Europe will continue to buy Russia's petroleum products.
I seem to recall you saying Ukraine was winning the war and soon would push Russia back to Moscow.

That brings us to that much announced Kherson counter offensive. My suspicions lean towards it having fizzled. But some truly smart posters in the forum have vouched for it; declaring it will be lethal, devastating and sustained. Seizing Kherson in a first stage and Crimea in a second stage.

But why is there such silence on the matter? Not just in the forum. The Ukrainians themselves don't appear inclined to talk about it. And it is all quiet on the Russian western front. Of course it is never quiet in war, but I was referring to something above regular background wartime noise. Something befitting a counter offensive.

Silence.

But since Ukraine cannot be lying to its western audience that it has launched as earth shaking a counter offensive as to tickle Erich von Manstein in his grave, I have to be for beginning to suspect Ukraine plans to launch its blitz from a direction no one has thought of.

Could it be possible the Ukrainian Kherson offensive will be coming from Romania? I believe both share a border west of Odessa. Maybe there is so much silence because Ukraine is gearing up in Romania.

Or could it be from Turkey? Or, most ingenious of all, from Lithuania; taking Moscow first before heading south to Kherson?

What's most frustrating is that our forum brethren of pro Ukrainian bent are keeping everything a secret !

 

[Juks]

Russia-Ukraine war: leaders to discuss energy and food crisis at Bavarian retreat – as it happened

This live blog is now closed, we will be returning in a few hours to bring you all the latest developments

www.theguardian.com

-Reports of missile strikes as explosions rock Kyiv. Several explosions took place early on Sunday in the Shevchenkivskiy district of the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, the city’s mayor, Vitali Klitschko, said on the Telegram messaging app.

- Some of the dozens of long-range Russian missile strikes on Saturday were, for the first time, launched from Tu-22 bombers deployed from Belarus, Ukraine’s military says.

 

[Juin]

Russian separatists claim to be in the center of Lysychansk battling the Ukrainian forces there.

I have been looking at the maps to see those defensible positions a local Ukrainian Commander said the Azot soldiers were being withdrawn to. Opinions- excluding the propaganda outfit ISW- appear to be coalescing around the observation that Lysichansk is a cauldron. At least operationally. And it doesn't take an expert to see that. Babushkas are all texting suggestions to Moscow on how best to squeeze the Lysichansk cauldron.

Is that the Ukrainian Command's defensible position?

 

[Juks]

Interesting article

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/24/ukraine-ammunition-russian-sabotage-artillery/

and all the more reason for the West to send more artillery pieces

 

[Utility Man]

Literally "shooting themselves in the foot".



Must really suck being "caught with ones pants down".

 

[kaerin]

 

[justoneman]

That brings us to that much announced Kherson counter offensive. My suspicions lean towards it having fizzled. But some truly smart posters in the forum have vouched for it; declaring it will be lethal, devastating and sustained. Seizing Kherson in a first stage and Crimea in a second stage.

But why is there such silence on the matter? Not just in the forum. The Ukrainians themselves don't appear inclined to talk about it. And it is all quiet on the Russian western front. Of course it is never quiet in war, but I was referring to something above regular background wartime noise. Something befitting a counter offensive.

Silence.

But since Ukraine cannot be lying to its western audience that it has launched as earth shaking a counter offensive as to tickle Erich von Manstein in his grave, I have to be for beginning to suspect Ukraine plans to launch its blitz from a direction no one has thought of.

Could it be possible the Ukrainian Kherson offensive will be coming from Romania? I believe both share a border west of Odessa. Maybe there is so much silence because Ukraine is gearing up in Romania.

Or could it be from Turkey? Or, most ingenious of all, from Lithuania; taking Moscow first before heading south to Kherson?

What's most frustrating is that our forum brethren of pro Ukrainian bent are keeping everything a secret !

Perhaps the Ukrainians are going to attack the Kherson "flank" in Kharkiv.