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Ukraine says Russia opens fire on Ukrainian navy ships

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BREAKING: Ukraine says Russia opens fire on Ukrainian navy ships in Kerch Strait near Crimea, one of them damaged.

BREAKING: Ukraine's president to convene emergency meeting of the military's top brass amid Russia tensions near Crimea.

BREAKING: Ukraine says number of boats hit by Russian fire increases to 2, 2 crew members wounded; both vessels seized by Russia.

The spokesman for Ukrainian President Poroshenko says that the leader is convening an emergency meeting of the military's top brass amid tensions with Russia near the Crimean Peninsula.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1066774663752282112
 

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This has the very real potential for ballooning into Trump's first bona-fide international crisis.

How many people here trust Trump to handle this calmly, without bias and with full consideration of the needs of our European allies?
 

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Russia knows that the President of the United States is weak and compromised. Thus they have a very good chance of getting away with this.
 

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This has the very real potential for ballooning into Trump's first bona-fide international crisis.

How many people here trust Trump to handle this calmly, without bias and with full consideration of the needs of our European allies?

Oh please, he's very calm at foreign policy. He'll just let Putin take Ukraine by force.
 

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Russia knows that the President of the United States is weak and compromised. Thus they have a very good chance of getting away with this.

"Maybe it's Russia's fault, maybe it's Ukraine's fault. Who knows? Putin denies he started it. What do you want me to do? Go over there and start WWIII?"

The response is so predictable it's depressing.
 

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Lets be real, Trump is not going to do a damn thing about this aggression from Russia, nor will he condemn Putin's actions.

No, he'll just suck Putin's dick and blame the Democrats.
 

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"Maybe it's Russia's fault, maybe it's Ukraine's fault. Who knows? Putin denies he started it. What do you want me to do? Go over there and start WWIII?"

The response is so predictable it's depressing.

Did he seriously say that?? Or are you just parodying the Dumbass-in-Chief?
 

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Did he seriously say that?? Or are you just parodying the Dumbass-in-Chief?

I'm making an extremely safe prediction of his response.
 

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BREAKING: Ukraine says Russia opens fire on Ukrainian navy ships in Kerch Strait near Crimea, one of them damaged.

BREAKING: Ukraine's president to convene emergency meeting of the military's top brass amid Russia tensions near Crimea.

BREAKING: Ukraine says number of boats hit by Russian fire increases to 2, 2 crew members wounded; both vessels seized by Russia.

The spokesman for Ukrainian President Poroshenko says that the leader is convening an emergency meeting of the military's top brass amid tensions with Russia near the Crimean Peninsula.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1066774663752282112

Twitter isn't a media source.
 

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Lets be real, Trump is not going to do a damn thing about this aggression from Russia, nor will he condemn Putin's actions.

No, he'll just suck Putin's dick and blame the Democrats.

What do you think he should do?
 

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BREAKING: Ukraine says Russia opens fire on Ukrainian navy ships in Kerch Strait near Crimea, one of them damaged.

BREAKING: Ukraine's president to convene emergency meeting of the military's top brass amid Russia tensions near Crimea.

BREAKING: Ukraine says number of boats hit by Russian fire increases to 2, 2 crew members wounded; both vessels seized by Russia.

The spokesman for Ukrainian President Poroshenko says that the leader is convening an emergency meeting of the military's top brass amid tensions with Russia near the Crimean Peninsula.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1066774663752282112


Why should I believe what Kiev says? This certainly happened, but it might have been avoided if Kiev had followed the rules set by the Russians. Likely, Kiev was deliberately provoking Russia, hoping their American overlords would step in to defend them.
 

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Why should I believe what Kiev says? This certainly happened, but it might have been avoided if Kiev had followed the rules set by the Russians. Likely, Kiev was deliberately provoking Russia, hoping their American overlords would step in to defend them.

What were Russia's rules?
 

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What do you think he should do?

Sanctions have been our primary tool for setting punishments that don't result in World War III. See: Magnitsky Act.
 

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Sanctions have been our primary tool for setting punishments that don't result in World War III. See: Magnitsky Act.

That'll be useless. We should let Russia know that if they don't back down, we'll respond with force.
 

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Waiting to hear Trump get tough with Russia.

Will he actually take a principled stand?

Or will it be like the other times, when the state department or Congress take tough-ish measures, and Trump fumes about it because he didn't want it, and then after the fact he takes credit when he needs cover for his Putin-fluffing actions?

Or will nothing happen at all and we don't even make a whimper about Russia's encroachment on Ukraine's sovereignty?
 

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That'll be useless. We should let Russia know that if they don't back down, we'll respond with force.

The Magnitsky Act was effective enough that it caused Putin to repeatedly engage the Trump campaign to remove the sanctions. The sanction has resulted in the freezing of countless millions of dollars in Russian in assets in Western banks. .

The use of force was more or less the opening scene of The Day After.
 
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That'll be useless. We should let Russia know that if they don't back down, we'll respond with force.

I suspect they might like that. Instead of just one ship like the Donald Cook, they might get an opportunity to punish several ships.
 

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I suspect they might like that. Instead of just one ship like the Donald Cook, they might get an opportunity to punish several ships.

Or, they'll get punished.
 
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