Ukraine Says Russia Ignoring Calls For Dialogue Amid Rising Tensions

[Ringo Stalin]

When it was part of the USSR they put all the most dangerous nuclear installations there including Chernobyl and ICBM's so that Russians would not be the victims when something went wrong. They treated them like cattle.

Which US states have nuclear power plants? Just wondering, which state's population were treated like cattle in the US?

It is very easy to make sure that Russian troops are not at the borders of Ukraine.
To do this, Russia simply has to recognize the independence of the Donbass.
And then the Russian troops will be at the borders of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, and not at the borders of Ukraine.

And everyone will be happy! Where is my Nobel Peace Prize?

 

[iguanaman]

Which US states have nuclear power plants? Just wondering, which state's population were treated like cattle in the US?

It is very easy to make sure that Russian troops are not at the borders of Ukraine.
To do this, Russia simply has to recognize the independence of the Donbass.
And then the Russian troops will be at the borders of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, and not at the borders of Ukraine.

And everyone will be happy! Where is my Nobel Peace Prize?

LOL America never had ANY electric powerplants built like the one at Chernobyl. The Russian knew that those graphite reactors were extremely dangerous but they were cheap to build so they did not care as long as the were not near Moscow. They never even told the Ukrainian people what they were. Then like now they show complete lack of concern for humanity. They are a rogue nation like their friends in N. Korea and we will never reward their aggression in Ukraine. More sanctions are coming and if they keep this up they will not be welcome anywhere and all the money in the world will be useless for them.

 

[Tigerace117]

To imply - as some here do - that only Ukrainians assisted the Nazis during the Holocaust is gross historical revisionism.

That is not even mentioning sympathetic governments in locations such as Vichy France, Romania, and Hungary.

To ignore the the enthusiastic collaboration of some Ukrainians(the ones hailed as national heroes today, of course) because it hurts your feelings...is utterly ignorant.

 

[Ringo Stalin]

They never even told the Ukrainian people what they were.

Really? That's what they teach you in school? Secret nuclear power station in Chernobyl?
No wonder you people elect senile moron...

 

[NewfieMom]

Really? That's what they teach you in school? Secret nuclear power station in Chernobyl?
No wonder you people elect senile moron...

Better Biden than Putin. I think Biden is pretty darned good. Putin is good with poison.

 

[Ringo Stalin]

NATO countries have not yet given, or even sold, a single dose of coronavirus vaccine to Ukraine.

But Kiev is trying to convince everyone that the NATO countries will fight for them. With their soldiers.

 

[iguanaman]

Really? That's what they teach you in school? Secret nuclear power station in Chernobyl?
No wonder you people elect senile moron...

Then why were the firemen assigned to Chernobyl not equipped with radiation gear? The went blindly into the radioactive inferno and 28 of them died. The lack of concern for the lives of Ukraine citizens is typical of the Russians even today and why is the Russian population dropping by over 600,000 a year? I know the answer do you?

 

[Rogue Valley]

Really? That's what they teach you in school? Secret nuclear power station in Chernobyl?
No wonder you people elect senile moron...

Moscow never told the Ukrainian control room techs about the positive void coefficient problem.

 

[iguanaman]

NATO countries have not yet given, or even sold, a single dose of coronavirus vaccine to Ukraine.

But Kiev is trying to convince everyone that the NATO countries will fight for them. With their soldiers.

Vaccine supply is the least of their problems, their experience with the USSR has made them rightly frightened of anything a Govt. has to offer. Most of them do not want to take the vaccine. This is what happens after decades of soviet abuse and neglect.


Ukraine received its first shipment of vaccine — 500,000 AstraZeneca doses — in late February. Yet, only about 23,500 people have been vaccinated since then.
In that same period, as many as 10,000 new infections a day have been recorded. Overall, the country of 41 million has recorded 1.4 million infections and more than 28,000 deaths.
The health minister says only about 40% of medical workers treating coronavirus patients have agreed to receive the vaccine.
Speaking in parliament, Oleksandr Kornienko, a leading member of President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's Servant of the People faction, said medical facilities were forced to destroy many doses of the vaccine — which can only be stored for a few hours after a vial is opened — because the medical professionals who had been prescribed vaccinations did not show up.
“Now they are forced to destroy the coveted vaccine, because they fail to give it to people in time,” said Kornienko.
Zelenskiy, who contracted the virus in November, tried to encourage vaccinations by publicly getting a shot himself.
“The vaccine will allow us to live again without restrictions,” Zelensky said. “I believe that this vaccine is of high quality, it is one of the best in the world.”
Yet his action seems to have had little effect.
The country designated 14,000 doses of its first vaccine shipment for the military, especially those fighting Russia-backed separatists in the east. But only 1,030 troops have been vaccinated thus far.

In the front-line town of Krasnohorivka, soldiers widely refused to vaccinate.
“I have little faith in a pandemic, I don’t think it’s some kind of serious disease,” said Serhiy Kochuk, a 25-year-old soldier. “I am healthy, but the vaccine can provoke illness. Because of this vaccine you can get sick.”
The head of the Kyiv sociology institute, Volodymyr Paniotto, told The Associated Press that a recent decline in the popularity of Zelenskiy’s government has contributed to the vaccine resistance.
“The super-critical attitude of Ukrainians to the authorities was superimposed on the struggle of politicians and the information war, which led to massive distrust in society,” he said.
Ukrainians have been skeptical about any vaccinations since Soviet times. In 2019, the country had Europe’s largest measles outbreak due to widespread refusals to get a measles vaccine shot.
“Over the past 20 years, Ukraine has been among the European countries most opposed to vaccination as such,” said Vadym Denysenko, an analyst at the Ukrainian Institute for the Future.
The United Nations Development Program says the country is suffering an “info-demic” of misinformation about the vaccine and has called on the government to step up its fight.
“Conspiracy theories, rumors and malicious disinformation can quickly go viral on social media, especially when there is a low level of public trust in state institutions," it said.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...e-to-vaccines-plagues-ukraines-covid-19-fight

 

[Rogue Valley]

It is a mindset that exists from being attached to Russia/USSR for hundreds of years.....

Less Than 10% of People Vaccinated In Moscow, Center of Russia’s Vaccination Drive - The Moscow Times

Around 820,000 Muscovites have received both doses of a coronavirus vaccine, Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said yesterday, with the number who have received at least one dose of Russia’s three homemade jabs having surpassed 1 million in the capital.

www.themoscowtimes.com

 

[Rogue Valley]

I have no desire to discuss the Holocaust (right now, I mean). Another poster called Ukrainians Nazis. I refuted it. That is how this started.

Calling the Ukrainians Nazis is Kremlin propaganda. Look at the flag of the person that engages in this. It is the Russian flag.

The very country that is illegally occupying Crimea and parts of the Donbas (eastern Ukraine).

 

[Ringo Stalin]

The lack of concern for the lives of Ukraine citizens is typical of the Russians

I slightly agree, in the sense that Russia should have helped Ukraine in 2014 to demolish the nazi scum, that staged a coup and then killed the population of Donbass for 7 years. But in Russia, the capitalists are now in power, which means that they are the same scum, as in the United States. Only the capitalists of the United States are also dangerous to the whole world.

 

[Tigerace117]

Calling the Ukrainians Nazis is Kremlin propaganda. Look at the flag of the person that engages in this. It is the Russian flag.

The very country that is illegally occupying Crimea and parts of the Donbas (eastern Ukraine).

You think any inconvenient fact is “Kremlin propaganda”. You even called the BBC “Kremlin propaganda”

 

[iguanaman]

I slightly agree, in the sense that Russia should have helped Ukraine in 2014 to demolish the nazi scum, that staged a coup and then killed the population of Donbass for 7 years. But in Russia, the capitalists are now in power, which means that they are the same scum, as in the United States. Only the capitalists of the United States are also dangerous to the whole world.

LOL No one emulates the Nazi's more than Putin. His goal is a 4th Reich created by reconstituting the USSR by force.

 

[Rogue Valley]

LOL No one emulates the Nazi's more than Putin. His goal is a 4th Reich created by reconstituting the USSR by force.

That isn't going to happen. Partisan warfare would not be kind to Moscow.

 

[iguanaman]

That isn't going to happen. Partisan warfare would not be kind to Moscow.

Putin is busy around the world cultivating and buying dictators while he uses his GRU to destabilize democracies. He in now in control in Venezuela. Who is next?

 

[NewfieMom]

An article in "The New York Times" says that the massing of Russian troops is a message: a message to the Biden administration and also to Ukraine. The article states that Ukraine has flexed its muscles and that Russia wants to insure more positive terms for a peace.

In Russia, a Military Buildup That Can’t Be Missed (Published 2021)

Russia’s massing of tanks and infantry along its southwestern border with Ukraine was meant to send a message, analysts say.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Rogue Valley]

An article in "The New York Times" says that the massing of Russian troops is a message: a message to the Biden administration and also to Ukraine. The article states that Ukraine has flexed its muscles and that Russia wants to insure more positive terms for a peace.

In Russia, a Military Buildup That Can’t Be Missed (Published 2021)

Russia’s massing of tanks and infantry along its southwestern border with Ukraine was meant to send a message, analysts say.

www.nytimes.com

Moscow has been handing out Russia passports in the occupied lands in Ukraine's Donbas region.

Peace is the last thing on the Kremlin's mind.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Moscow has been handing out Russia passports in the occupied lands in Ukraine's Donbas region.

Peace is the last thing on the Kremlin's mind.

I don’t view that as a logical argument. It could be Moscow is concerned for the rights and wellbeing of people they consider to be there citizens and there is legitimate concerns about how they would be treated by a foreign government. So far Ukraine is not willing to agree to reasonable terms like total amnesty and granting self determination to the people of this region.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Putin is busy around the world cultivating and buying dictators while he uses his GRU to destabilize democracies. He in now in control in Venezuela. Who is next?

Any influence Russia has in Venezuela is because Venezuelans chose unwisely to put the Chavistas in power and the Chavistas then restructured the military and armed their supporters to keep themselves in power. Russia cannot project any power to Venezuela that the current regime there doesn’t ask for.

Many leftists in America either did or still support the legitimacy of that regime.

And if it’s a problem that Venezuela is friendly with Putin, imagine how it must be to the Russians that a legitimately elected Ukrainian president who was friendly with them got ousted by what was obviously a US backed uprising that seemingly was for the purpose of putting NATO on their western border.

 

[Ringo Stalin]

Moscow has been handing out Russia passports in the occupied lands in Ukraine's Donbas region.

Hungary, Romania, and Poland issued their passports to ukrainian citizens, Hungarians, romanians, and poles in Ukrain, long before the before the fascist coup on maidan. Their number is several hundred thousand people. No one in Europe cared.
Why can't Russia issue its passports to russians in Ukraine?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Hungary, Romania, and Poland issued their passports to ukrainian citizens, Hungarians, romanians, and poles in Ukrain, long before the before the fascist coup on maidan. Their number is several hundred thousand people. No one in Europe cared.
Why can't Russia issue its passports to russians in Ukraine?

Russia became persona non grata first when Putin championed the law forbidding homosexual propaganda in Russian schools. The American government elites hate Poland and Hungary just as much, but they want to focus on Russia for now

 

[Rogue Valley]

I don’t view that as a logical argument. It could be Moscow is concerned for the rights and wellbeing of people they consider to be there citizens and there is legitimate concerns about how they would be treated by a foreign government. So far Ukraine is not willing to agree to reasonable terms like total amnesty and granting self determination to the people of this region.

I stopped caring about your weird viewpoints long ago.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I stopped caring about your weird viewpoints long ago.

You care so little that you decided to read and respond

 

[iguanaman]

Any influence Russia has in Venezuela is because Venezuelans chose unwisely to put the Chavistas in power and the Chavistas then restructured the military and armed their supporters to keep themselves in power. Russia cannot project any power to Venezuela that the current regime there doesn’t ask for.

Many leftists in America either did or still support the legitimacy of that regime.

And if it’s a problem that Venezuela is friendly with Putin, imagine how it must be to the Russians that a legitimately elected Ukrainian president who was friendly with them got ousted by what was obviously a US backed uprising that seemingly was for the purpose of putting NATO on their western border.

LOL WTF are you talking about? The "Chavistas" are no longer in power Putin is. He owns their oil and Maduro who is in power only because of his interference in Venezuela's affairs. That is a CLEAR violation on or Monroe Doctrine and international law. He needs to leave there or be sanctioned until he does. Why are you such a Putin fanboy? Is he paying you?