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Ukraine - Moscow crisis: Hitler 0:2 'questioned Ukraine's right to exist'

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Ukraine - Moscow crisis: Putin 'questioned Ukraine's right to exist'







What right does Putin have to exist ? Stay strong Ukraine !!! Hitler 0:2 ans his evil empire without chances


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Wrong!

Russia/Putin was not interested in taking Ukraine, but in insuring that there will be no enemy troops/weapons closer to its country! (just like the US didn't want missiles in Cuba!)

The current situation is caused exclusively by West's refusal to offer written guarantees that there won't be more NATO expansions towards Moscow!

The West preferred that Putin takes over Ukraine over a mere written promise related to Russia's security! Pretty cynical!

The West's "right" to corner Russia is more important than the existence of Ukraine as an independent state! ;)
 
The West's "right" to corner Russia is more important than the existence of Ukraine as an independent state!
If Ukraine remains an independent, sovereign state, why would there be a need to "corner" Russia?
 
If Ukraine remains an independent, sovereign state, why would there be a need to "corner" Russia?
It's not a need, it's a desire that the US has had ever since the end of WW2.

America wants to control the world, to wage countless wars with impunity and Russia is a threat to all these desires. So they want to "contain" Russia with more and more bases and missiles and what not - closer and closer to Moscow.
 
If Ukraine remains an independent, sovereign state, why would there be a need to "corner" Russia?



If Ukraine is a foe then it's independence and sovereignty is also open to challenges. Isn't that what happened to Iraq?
 
It's not a need, it's a desire that the US has had ever since the end of WW2.

America wants to control the world, to wage countless wars with impunity and Russia is a threat to all these desires. So they want to "contain" Russia with more and more bases and missiles and what not - closer and closer to Moscow.

Do you mean "Control the world" all by itself? Or is it trying to promote a stable world where countries make their own choices for freedom and commerce?
You don't believe Russia needs to be controlled lest it tries to reconquer lost satellite countries? Or is it that you simply do not care what Russia does?

Are you a big Tears for Fears fan?



“Everybody Wants To Rule The World” by Tears for Fears​

by Jessica Shelton · Published May 14, 2019 · Updated May 14, 2019



This song by the English band Tears for Fears puts forth the idea that “everybody wants to rule the world.” However, this isn’t meant in a literal sense per se. It rather serves as an allusion to the global reality the artists dealt with when this track was written.

Song was written during the Cold War era
It was during that time that the Cold War between the United States and Russia was at one of its peaks that this song was written. Thus many of the cryptic lyrics in it refer to that tense situation. However, what the track is about in general is the lust for power and control and the destructive consequences which manifest as a result. Thus it is also believed that “Everybody Wants to Rule the World” contains references to George Orwell’s classic book 1984. It is important to mention that 1984 is not only about war but also its fictional government’s all-encompassing desire to control the masses.
Lyrics of Everybody Wants To Rule The World



Read more at: https://www.songmeaningsandfacts.co...y-wants-to-rule-the-world-by-tears-for-fears/
 
The US has come out of this self created mess so badly that we professional pundits are betting 1 to 2 that Zelensky

has to go quickly and evens he will be mysteriously ' disappeared-' by the US .

Perhaps OP should consider applying for his Puppetship -- another comedian would be in itself a huge
joke.
The alternative is that Hunter Coke Biden will take over following cosmetic surgery and the usual amendments to

Wiki etc by Langley .
 
Wrong!

Russia/Putin was not interested in taking Ukraine, but in insuring that there will be no enemy troops/weapons closer to its country! (just like the US didn't want missiles in Cuba!)

The current situation is caused exclusively by West's refusal to offer written guarantees that there won't be more NATO expansions towards Moscow!

The West preferred that Putin takes over Ukraine over a mere written promise related to Russia's security! Pretty cynical!

The West's "right" to corner Russia is more important than the existence of Ukraine as an independent state! ;)

After Putin's open admissions on TV, and his 6 hour rant to Macron, I'm surprised you still believe what you wrote. Germany has, for some time now, repeatedly announced that it will never approve Ukraine's NATO membership and Putin's raging grievances are far deeper than that. For example, what does that have to do with Putin invading the Donbas, formerly?

While Putin's demands are often cloaked in generalizations, they also seem to shift. For example, a month ago Putin's people were demanding not only a rejection of NATO expansion but also a pullback of all strike systems near Russia's border - as Poland is the nearest (near former Konigsberg) exactly what is definition of "near" mean. Further muddying the issue is that he has also demanded a NATO configuration that returned to 1997, which would require the mass expulsion of former satellites from NATO.

The problem is not that the west is "cornering" Russia, except in the sense Russia will be less able to bully is western neighbors with threats of force or economic ruin. After the collapse of the Soviet Union most intelligent people realized the Soviet attitude was delusional and paranoid, and Europe went into a massive decline in troops and nukes. That KGB Putin appears to have retained his old programming is more than a disappointment, it's a threat to every one of his neighbors.
 
Do you mean "Control the world" all by itself?
Absolutely!
Or is it trying to promote a stable world where countries make their own choices for freedom and commerce?
Certainly not! The US has repeatedly violated the rights of various countries to choose their own economic systems and their trading partners!
Many(if not most) wars and conflicts the US has been involved in are related to America's desire to make them subservient to America's economic and/or political interests(often both)
You don't believe Russia needs to be controlled lest it tries to reconquer lost satellite countries? Or is it that you simply do not care what Russia does?
The very idea of "controlling" Russia involves the idea of challenging Russia's power and independence - which can lead to another WW!
But the problem is not Russia - even if we admit the dubious idea that's trying to "reconquer its satellite states"(no, it's only reacting to US/NATO activity)

The problem is the US - it has waged a lots of illegal wars and murdered lots of innocent people, it has illegally toppled governments and installed its own puppets, it has stolen lots of resources and goods(lately it got involved even in sea piracy). Lots of American leaders should be tried before an international tribunal!
 
After Putin's open admissions on TV, and his 6 hour rant to Macron, I'm surprised you still believe what you wrote. Germany has, for some time now, repeatedly announced that it will never approve Ukraine's NATO membership and Putin's raging grievances are far deeper than that. For example, what does that have to do with Putin invading the Donbas, formerly?



Germany lies when it Announces it will never approve Nato membership for Ukraine. Germany approved all previous 15 Nato accession, why a nein on Ukraine?

Fool me once, shame on.... Russia has been burned 15 times by Nato! How bad can it get?

The fact of the matter is that it is Putin, and not Germany, that has vetoed Ukraine's Nato aspirations. As well as the aspirations of Georgia. Who gave Mr Putin his veto? His Army is his veto. Poaching in Mr Putin's neighbourhood is increasingly a risky business.
 
Absolutely!

Certainly not! The US has repeatedly violated the rights of various countries to choose their own economic systems and their trading partners!
Many(if not most) wars and conflicts the US has been involved in are related to America's desire to make them subservient to America's economic and/or political interests(often both)

The very idea of "controlling" Russia involves the idea of challenging Russia's power and independence - which can lead to another WW!
But the problem is not Russia - even if we admit the dubious idea that's trying to "reconquer its satellite states"(no, it's only reacting to US/NATO activity)

The problem is the US - it has waged a lots of illegal wars and murdered lots of innocent people, it has illegally toppled governments and installed its own puppets, it has stolen lots of resources and goods(lately it got involved even in sea piracy). Lots of American leaders should be tried before an international tribunal!
You don't have any/many Conservative friends, do you?
 
Germany lies when it Announces it will never approve Nato membership for Ukraine. Germany approved all previous 15 Nato accession, why a nein on Ukraine?

Fool me once, shame on.... Russia has been burned 15 times by Nato! How bad can it get?

The fact of the matter is that it is Putin, and not Germany, that has vetoed Ukraine's Nato aspirations. As well as the aspirations of Georgia. Who gave Mr Putin his veto? His Army is his veto. Poaching in Mr Putin's neighbourhood is increasingly a risky business.

Except, of course, you little rant on behalf of supreme leader Putin does not change the point, his aspirations are far deeper than NATO. Whatever someone thought or rationalized regarding Gorbachev's negotiations in 1990, such belated concerns weren't an impediment to the US and Russian leaders who signed of the Budapest Memorandum or their new leaders (i.e. Obama and Putin) jointly reaffirming the agreement in 2009. Perhaps Herr Putin has forgotten the agreement he endorsed?

Russia, the US, and the UK pledged to “respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine. and to “refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine.” They also pledged to “seek immediate” UN Security Council action “to provide assistance to Ukraine … if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression.”

What changed in 2013 was NOT Nato, but EU membership. After five to six years of openly known negotiations between Ukraine and the E.U. Herr Putin decided that a free trade agreement between Ukraine and the rest of Europe was unacceptable, period. He respected Ukraine's "independence and sovereignty" he blackmailed the leader of Ukraine with threats of economic retaliation against 100s of thousands of eastern workers who depend on jobs in industries that supply Russia.

THAT was the pivotal moment in Putin's madness. NOT Nato, but the assertion of political and economic independence of the Ukraine. You are quite right; in his view the EU was "poaching" in what he and Russia OWNED. Nothing in the EU agreement precluded bi-lateral trade treaties with Russia at the same time, but the Ukraine's serfs were Russia's property.

Belated screaming about NATO is trojan horse, hiding all of the deeper sense of entitlement and desire for domination of Russia's former vassalized national peoples. His speech and Marcon's six hours of listening to the man rant is proof enough.

It's a shame you and some other "conservatives", most of whom fully understood the nature of totalitarian communism in the Soviet Union, are blinded by a newfound respect for a KGB officer and his regime.

Go figure.
 
Pootler got his place in the history

 
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