• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Ukraine attracts and trains western white supremacists

Westphalian

DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 16, 2018
Messages
2,644
Reaction score
282
Location
East
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Independent
https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-ba...icalizing-american-white-supremacists/251951/

Last month, an unsealed FBI indictment of four American white supremacists from the Rise Above Movement (RAM) declared that the defendants had trained with Ukraine’s Azov Battalion, a neo-Nazi militia officially incorporated into the country’s national guard. The training took place after the white supremacist gang participated in violent riots in Huntington Beach and Berkeley, California and Charlottesville, Virginia in 2017.

Not only are white supremacists from across the West flocking to Ukraine to learn from the combat experience of their fascist brothers-in-arms, they are doing so openly — chronicling their experiences on social media before they bring their lessons back home. But U.S. law enforcement has done nothing so far to restrict the flow of right-wing American extremists to Azov’s bases. There is one likely explanation for the U.S. government’s hands-off approach to Azov recruitment: the extremist militia is fighting pro-Russian separatists as a front-line proxy of Washington. In fact, the United States has directly armed the Azov Battalion, forking over anti-tank rocket launchers and even sending a team of Army officers to meet in the field with Azov commanders in 2017.
 

SDET

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
May 1, 2015
Messages
7,802
Reaction score
1,608
Location
Texas
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-ba...icalizing-american-white-supremacists/251951/

Last month, an unsealed FBI indictment of four American white supremacists from the Rise Above Movement (RAM) declared that the defendants had trained with Ukraine’s Azov Battalion, a neo-Nazi militia officially incorporated into the country’s national guard. The training took place after the white supremacist gang participated in violent riots in Huntington Beach and Berkeley, California and Charlottesville, Virginia in 2017.

Not only are white supremacists from across the West flocking to Ukraine to learn from the combat experience of their fascist brothers-in-arms, they are doing so openly — chronicling their experiences on social media before they bring their lessons back home. But U.S. law enforcement has done nothing so far to restrict the flow of right-wing American extremists to Azov’s bases. There is one likely explanation for the U.S. government’s hands-off approach to Azov recruitment: the extremist militia is fighting pro-Russian separatists as a front-line proxy of Washington. In fact, the United States has directly armed the Azov Battalion, forking over anti-tank rocket launchers and even sending a team of Army officers to meet in the field with Azov commanders in 2017.

The fine line between legal or illegal is whether their actions show an intent to take up arms against the USA.
 

Godric1970

Scottish and Proud
DP Veteran
Joined
Mar 14, 2017
Messages
1,627
Reaction score
471
Location
Darkest Ayrshire
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent


the Orange county register goes deeper into the report than the CNN etc

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/10/...se-white-supremacists-in-southern-california/

Miselis, Daley and other members of their group also traveled to Germany and the Ukraine earlier this year, and met with members of well-known violent white supremacy groups, prosecutors said.
 

Fledermaus

DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 18, 2014
Messages
85,008
Reaction score
16,724
Location
Peoples Republic of California AKA Taxifornia
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-ba...icalizing-american-white-supremacists/251951/

Last month, an unsealed FBI indictment of four American white supremacists from the Rise Above Movement (RAM) declared that the defendants had trained with Ukraine’s Azov Battalion, a neo-Nazi militia officially incorporated into the country’s national guard. The training took place after the white supremacist gang participated in violent riots in Huntington Beach and Berkeley, California and Charlottesville, Virginia in 2017.

Not only are white supremacists from across the West flocking to Ukraine to learn from the combat experience of their fascist brothers-in-arms, they are doing so openly — chronicling their experiences on social media before they bring their lessons back home. But U.S. law enforcement has done nothing so far to restrict the flow of right-wing American extremists to Azov’s bases. There is one likely explanation for the U.S. government’s hands-off approach to Azov recruitment: the extremist militia is fighting pro-Russian separatists as a front-line proxy of Washington. In fact, the United States has directly armed the Azov Battalion, forking over anti-tank rocket launchers and even sending a team of Army officers to meet in the field with Azov commanders in 2017.

Wow... Four whole Neo Nazis...

Impressive.

Really.

Four.

America’s neo-Nazis don’t look to Germany for inspiration. They look to Russia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-they-look-to-russia/?utm_term=.92cd46ff2f99
 
Last edited:

Westphalian

DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 16, 2018
Messages
2,644
Reaction score
282
Location
East
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Independent

Fledermaus

DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 18, 2014
Messages
85,008
Reaction score
16,724
Location
Peoples Republic of California AKA Taxifornia
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
A blatant attempt to attack the messenger rather than discuss the message.

As Godric points out, the core facts are clear, however much someone may try to obfuscate.

Yep... Four whole Neo Nazis have you riled up... While Russia, not Ukraine, is the glowing beacon on the hill for Neo Nazis...
 

Cany

New member
Joined
Nov 13, 2018
Messages
6
Reaction score
0
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
I do not think that the Ukrainian army can teach the US military anything. Completely different level
 

Rogue Valley

Exordium and Terminus
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 18, 2013
Messages
66,011
Reaction score
50,366
Location
Barsoom
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
the Orange county register goes deeper into the report than the CNN etc

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/10/...se-white-supremacists-in-southern-california/

Wow. Someone found some rightists in Ukraine.

No mention though of Pamyat, Russian National Unity, DPNI, National Socialist Society, Slavic Union. All white nationalist/Neo-Nazi groups in Russia.

200px-SlavS.svg.png


Slavic Union (Slavyanskiy Soyuz/SS)
 

Rogue Valley

Exordium and Terminus
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 18, 2013
Messages
66,011
Reaction score
50,366
Location
Barsoom
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
I do not think that the Ukrainian army can teach the US military anything. Completely different level

The Ukraine military is helping the US military learn things about the Russian military on the eastern front in Donbas.

Anyone with military experience would have realized that.
 

Godric1970

Scottish and Proud
DP Veteran
Joined
Mar 14, 2017
Messages
1,627
Reaction score
471
Location
Darkest Ayrshire
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
Wow. Someone found some rightists in Ukraine.

No mention though of Pamyat, Russian National Unity, DPNI, National Socialist Society, Slavic Union. All white nationalist/Neo-Nazi groups in Russia.

200px-SlavS.svg.png


Slavic Union (Slavyanskiy Soyuz/SS)

Slavic Union are banned in Russia as are other neo nazi groups ... Slavic Union is active in several Eastern European countries ... so don't get facts in the way of more lies
 

Rogue Valley

Exordium and Terminus
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 18, 2013
Messages
66,011
Reaction score
50,366
Location
Barsoom
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
Slavic Union are banned in Russia as are other neo nazi groups ... Slavic Union is active in several Eastern European countries ... so don't get facts in the way of more lies

I denoted only five. There are dozens of neo-Nazi groups in Russia.

And no, they march in parades/attack gays and minorities openly and the police look the other way.

Russian+Neo-Nazis+-+Blog+April+28,+2014.jpg


Neo-Nazis in Russia celebrate Hitlers birthday.
 

Westphalian

DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 16, 2018
Messages
2,644
Reaction score
282
Location
East
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Independent
Whataboutism yet again :roll:.



The issue here is with Ukraine, a state which is subsidised by the West, and which wants to join NATO / EU.



Ukraine has a nazi problem, and it is a state which is loved by the West (and of course RV). What's going on?
 

Rogue Valley

Exordium and Terminus
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 18, 2013
Messages
66,011
Reaction score
50,366
Location
Barsoom
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
Ukraine has a nazi problem....

Russia has an invasion problem, an assassination problem, and an a anti-democracy problem.

And those problems are just for starters. A quite extensive list could be made.
 

Fledermaus

DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 18, 2014
Messages
85,008
Reaction score
16,724
Location
Peoples Republic of California AKA Taxifornia
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
Whataboutism yet again :roll:.


The issue here is with Ukraine, a state which is subsidised by the West, and which wants to join NATO / EU.



Ukraine has a nazi problem, and it is a state which is loved by the West (and of course RV). What's going on?

Post #5....

4 Neo Nazis go to Ukraine while US Neo Nazis look to Russia.....
 

Fledermaus

DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 18, 2014
Messages
85,008
Reaction score
16,724
Location
Peoples Republic of California AKA Taxifornia
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
I denoted only five. There are dozens of neo-Nazi groups in Russia.

And no, they march in parades/attack gays and minorities openly and the police look the other way.

Russian+Neo-Nazis+-+Blog+April+28,+2014.jpg


Neo-Nazis in Russia celebrate Hitlers birthday.

Looks like a whole lot more than 4 guys there....
 
Top Bottom