Well I suppose you have nothing to rebut with but that old line. Actually though, dissent is not dislike, and wanting America to be better would only be seen as a negative by people that really do dislike.
Not rebutting anything. Just commenting on something that saddens me.
... followed by a quite natural response from Ukraine, EU, and USA.
Well here's the deal DDD, the West started a problem they are impotent to repair. Russia will be tolerating no further NATO expansion, period!
Well here's the deal DDD, the West started a problem they are impotent to repair. Russia will be tolerating no further NATO expansion, period!
What are you blathering about? The West didn't start anything.
What are you blathering about? The West didn't start anything.
Look how many thoughts and how many people have written in this thread. As if all of you worried about the Ukraine. They made problems by themselves. This is theater of the absurd. Why do you care when we have so many internal problems? Maybe you forgot about immigrants? Or I should remind you of the upcoming elections, which will not give us a choice? Or have you forgotten about the problems of our social policy?
I know of them of course. I do not see the similarities though. In this case it just is about Russia's annexation. In our case we were liberated and no other greater country annexed us, we were left on our own.
But independence does not occurs does it oh great Austrian Icon? Parts of countries are being annexed one after the other?!
that is your assumption. At no point has Russia indicated that it will annex Donetsk, rather Russia position has been to ask Ukraine to accept a policy of Autonomy for them.
[/QUOTE]What's been annexed? Crimea voted for independence and ask for membership into Russia, that's their choice. No different then the US having a standing position in it's early years under the Article of Confederation to accept Canada if it choose to leave the UK.
The Russian proposal for autonomy (federation) in east Ukraine is quite unlike Swiss or American federation. Under the Russian schema, the federalized oblasts in the east (Luhansk/Donetsk) would be able to ratify foreign economic and military treaties independent of Kyiv. In essence, a country within a country conducting foreign relations that are at odds with the national government. The Russian Federation itself would never grant its constituent regions such independence from the central Moscow government. What the Russian schema/demand amounts to, is dismemberment by other means.At no point has Russia indicated that it will annex Donetsk, rather Russia position has been to ask Ukraine to accept a policy of Autonomy for them.
Putin has stated on numerous occasions that Russias and Urkainians are one people and that the borders are "artificial". Maidan or no Maidan, Putin was going to address the Ukrainian questions sooner than later. He is not going to allow Urkaine to go western with out a fight. Rather, he was going to try restore Ukraine to its "proper relationship" with Russia.
... followed by a quite natural response from Ukraine, EU, and USA.
No one started a problem. Ukraine is a free country and it can work with whomever it chooses to. I do not care of the Russian paranoid "NATO expansion" unsupported BS propaganda. Russia can take its intolerance and paranoid perceptions from Ukraine and us and divert them to China. Perhaps they may like it more than us.
Lastly, you are of no position to represent Russia, much less strike deals on its behalf.
Well, you saw the "period" word, so I guess Monte has a final say on these matters.
China has weighed in and upset BO peeps plan.....not to mention the Europeans aren't so in a rush to add any more on.
China opposes proposed EU sanctions against Russia....
China opposed additional sanctions against Russia on Monday over accusations Moscow was sending troops into Ukrainian territory, saying the European Union's push to draw up more measures would only complicate the crisis.
The European Union on Sunday threatened Russia with new trade sanctions, but sharp divisions among leaders at a summit in Brussels left the timing of any measures uncertain.....snip~
China opposes proposed EU sanctions against Russia
Look how many thoughts and how many people have written in this thread. As if all of you worried about the Ukraine. They made problems by themselves. This is theater of the absurd. Why do you care when we have so many internal problems? Maybe you forgot about immigrants? Or I should remind you of the upcoming elections, which will not give us a choice? Or have you forgotten about the problems of our social policy?
Hey bud, yeah and I believe the longer this goes, and the more the West may push against Russia, the more we'll see China supporting Russia.
I don't disagree with that. Do you think our government was unaware of it. Why did they provide him the impetus and the legitimacy.
Precisely. And Yanukovych cut off negotiations with the EU and had signed deals with Russia. This implemented a US/EU supported coup, a violent overthrow of the Ukrainian government, and installation of a pro-Western government, immediately (conveniently) recognised by the West. This is fact, and it doesn't matter whether or not you accept it. Russia called bull****, and they seem prepared to pay the price to maintain a buffer between them and the EU. Hopefully, the EU won't push it to the point of all out war.
No! The Ukraine chose Russia and the government was overthrown by a US/EU backed coup. If you want Russia to back up, as you stated earlier, you better start pushing. So far, Russia appears resolute.
How do you suppose I claimed to be a broker for Russia? My observations tell me that the West made an attempt to expand NATO eastward, that's hardly propaganda. I have also observed that Russia immediately called Bull**** and moved to counter it. It's in their utmost interest to prevent it. I also am observing that Western response to Russia's response hasn't backed Russia up one bit. It would appear that Russia is willing to pay the price to protect their interests, naturally.
Still waiting for that link or links that prove your contentions. How many weeks will I have to wait until you admit this is all conjecture?
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