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BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | UK work time opt-out under threat
Thank God for human rights. This is a step forward, the EU is now forcing the UK to put an upper limit on regular work hours.
You have a problem with people voluntarily working extra hours?
What is the 'opt-out' that the article repeatedly references but never explains? From context it sounds like this would bar people from voluntarily working overtime. If that's true, why would that ban be a good thing?
Nope, but under special arrangements then, not as part of the regular contract hours.
Volunteers depends on how you define it, if its a person who cannot afford not to work over time because the system have him work over time to afford to survive, then no I do not support it, that has been the scenario in the UK at least.
So because there are people whose situation forces them to work overtime to survive, you support a ban on working overtime? I don't follow
People in the UK aren't allowed to define their own contract hours when they take a job?Nope, but under special arrangements then, not as part of the regular contract hours.
Can you rephrase this? I think the ESL messed up what you were trying to say.Volunteers depends on how you define it, if its a person who cannot afford not to work over time because the system have him work over time to afford to survive, then no I do not support it, that has been the scenario in the UK at least.
So high taxes make people work more? Hmmmm....Same scenario in Norway, property prices, prices in general and taxes are so high that most people are forced to work over time. And we are talking about the "richest" country in the world.
People in France for example manage fine with 35 hours. Do not know many there who would volunteer to work the same times they work in the UK.
No, when everyone have to work overtime because no one can afford not to, then there is obviously a problem..
No, when everyone have to work overtime because no one can afford not to, then there is obviously a problem..
The problem is they need a better job...or a better union...or the government to stop taking so much of their money.
Damned straight. People can negotiate their own contracts, and through proper use of collective arbitration (the unions) pay and such can be fixed at sustainable levels. Plus if you slash taxes and wasteful government spending, then the people can save even more of their money. It sounds like there is a huge economic bubble going on there where prices soar to unsustainable levels. Usually caused by some form of government interference, and in the socialist Europe, I can see that happening quite readily. What do all the scientists do? I bet dollars to donuts they pay no mind to these restrictions. Scientists are usually paid salary, and we put in 48 hours in under 4 days if you tally it all up. Count the fact that we work pretty much 7 days a week; and we put in tons of hours. That ain't gonna stop, and no one can afford to pay scientists "overtime" (heheh, like we would get such a thing anyway).
Free market would have taken care of this along with responsible government. Not limiting how much a person can work through government law...that's stupid.
And you think the solution is to outlaw overtime?
Thats not the talk here. Overtime is allowed, but regular contract work is only allowed to work 48 hours, if they want more they must also take the complication to register, apply, get permission and what not to work more than 48 hours.
Thats not the talk here. Overtime is allowed, but regular contract work is only allowed to work 48 hours, if they want more they must also take the complication to register, apply, get permission and what not to work more than 48 hours.
They have to apply to the government to work more than 48 hours? You don't think that this should be up to the workers and employers involved?
Then what is the impact of this bill, except to make it harder for people to voluntarily work overtime?
No. I think there should be incredibly tight procedures and regulations for being allowed to work such slavish hours.
No. I think there should be incredibly tight procedures and regulations for being allowed to work such slavish hours.
Well, forget all about individual privacy and right to contract huh?
That's messed up man. For a guy who claims to hate politicians you sure seem intent on letting them make choices for you.
What is so slavish about working for a friggin living?
My average work week is usually between 45-60 hours. But I love my work. It doesn't even feel like work to me.
It's also one of those professions that require that work be done when it is necessary or the whole company shuts down. It's just a fact of life that there is work and it must be done in an industrious society. I also would not be happy witht he idea of having to hire someone to pass the buck to when I hit my government approved work limit unless go get licenses to what?...do my friggin job?
I believe some countries need to develop a sense of pride in their work instead of begging their governments to dream up schemes to get them out of it.
The regulation is about standard contract work.. It will tighten the rules and make new regulation for ANY work over 48 hours. Most contracts in Europe are 37.5 or 40 hours per week, any time over that is considered overtime, over 48 hours is something else alltogether.
Okay, so what rules and regulations are added and what problems do they solve? Ya know, what does the bill do? All I see is an additional burden and red tape on people who want to voluntarily work overtime.
What about family time? What about time to make good healthy cooking? Time to exercise? Time to play and enjoy? Time to study and learn? Time to do things around the house, or improve on it? Time to sleep well? And so on..
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