UK PM: Multiculturalism has failed

[alexa]

I don't remember Slainte saying anything about home drinking habits, nothing at all and what Scottish whiskey has to do with this thread is beyond me.

I must say though I was having a bit of a chuckle. I thought there will be Grant off on his searches to find something and look the poor soul has had to take two hours to find - nothing.

Far from this being a rebuff to Slainte, it simply is showing that migrants are still minding their motherland and buying Scotch.

“However, to focus on [the UK] just one out of 200 markets ignores Scotch whisky’s global success. Exports grew by £764m – a 32% rise – between 2005-09, with Scotch whisky now worth more to the UK than Cognac and Champagne exports combined are to France.”





Scotch is the leading single product export from Scotland, accounting for 15% of total Scottish exports (excluding oil and gas), 24% of Scottish manufacturing exports and 87% of Scottish food and drink exports. Scotch grew last year in 17 out of 20 of its top markets.

When will you learn to read the articles you post? :roll:

Whisky Guild - Report finds Scotch on the rocks in its homeland

However this thread is not about Scottish exports.

 

[Grant]

I don't remember Slainte saying anything about home drinking habits, nothing at all and what Scottish whiskey has to do with this thread is beyond me.

Slainte said "As discussed, emigration from the motherland is acceptable, as long as said migrants continue to support the motherland's economy through the purchase of over priced Scottish merchandise and tacky holidays", so i checked on it's most famous export..

I must say though I was having a bit of a chuckle. I thought there will be Grant off on his searches to find something and look the poor soul has had to take two hours to find - nothing.

Two hours?? It took me 20 seconds!

Far from this being a rebuff to Slainte, it simply is showing that migrants are still minding their motherland and buying Scotch.

From the article. “I have brought this to the attention of the Scottish Parliament, Scottish Enterprise and Scotland Food & Drink but no-one seems willing to engage with the question, despite the fact that over the past 30 years this underperformance has cost us around 50,000 jobs. As we face upcoming unemployment problems in Scotland this is an issue that can no longer be swept under the carpet.”

When will you learn to read the articles you post?

I'm quoting from that article!

However this thread is not about Scottish exports.

I didn't mind Slainte bringing up the subject at all.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

I'm sure he also does not see the irony inherent in tossing around the Nazi bomb to be used on those who are too strident AGAINST those who persecute Jews like they do, and how it is he and his fellow extreme leftists who continually refuse to acknowledge anything as antisemitic -- even as they are raving about the evil Jews always manipulating others, having control beyond their influence and all the other themes hammered home by the actual Nazis.

If you can find anywhere that I have spoken about evil jews always manipulating others, I will accept any names you wish to call me. You can even call my mixed race kids "coffee coloured sludge" and I won't bat an eyelid.

If you can't then you are a liar, plain and simple.

So you agree that various groups have been handing out their anti-somebody diatribes from the 60's to the present day, and that's something I've always been aware of also --

Deflection.

RoP's "honest" words are there plain and simple yet you now turn my proof of this into "anti-somebody diatribes." I don't expect any honesty from you either.

 

[alexa]

Slainte said "As discussed, emigration from the motherland is acceptable, as long as said migrants continue to support the motherland's economy through the purchase of over priced Scottish merchandise and tacky holidays", so i checked on it's most famous export..





From the article. “I have brought this to the attention of the Scottish Parliament, Scottish Enterprise and Scotland Food & Drink but no-one seems willing to engage with the question, despite the fact that over the past 30 years this underperformance has cost us around 50,000 jobs. As we face upcoming unemployment problems in Scotland this is an issue that can no longer be swept under the carpet.”



I'm quoting from that article!

There is no point if what you quote has no relevance to what you are replying to. This is just your usual Gish Gallop.

I didn't mind Slainte bringing up the subject at all.

Well let's not try and wrongly blame Slainte for this. He merely responded to yet another of your hate Britain lines. However it is against the rules of DC to change the thread's topic as you did in the post he responded to.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

-- This is just your usual Gish Gallop --

it's sometimes easy to mistake the two but I've not seen Grant post in "gish gallop" style before.

In the meantime, anyone seen any sign of a post with incriminating proof that I've ever posted anything to suggest anti-Semitic feeling or that "evil Jews" are "manipulating others" yet?

Why is that not a surprise? Why are blatant liars allowed to post such rubbish on this forum without consequence?

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

RoP's "honest" words are there plain and simple...

..and deliberately misinterpreted. With Infinite's love for his kids that's understandable and for the trampled feelings I apologise.

However, with kneejerk textbook vitriol and venom from other venting leftists in this board, it does only go to back up some kind of hypocrisy. For indeed there are people in their class who at least turn a blind eye to anti-Semitism (from their beloved guess-whos), or simply denying people Englishness, whilst pretending they're against all prejudice.



'RACIST' NOT TO BAN THE FLAG.....

 

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[Gardener]

it's sometimes easy to mistake the two but I've not seen Grant post in "gish gallop" style before.

In the meantime, anyone seen any sign of a post with incriminating proof that I've ever posted anything to suggest anti-Semitic feeling or that "evil Jews" are "manipulating others" yet?

Why is that not a surprise? Why are blatant liars allowed to post such rubbish on this forum without consequence?

Considering the frequency with which some of you folks toss around the made-up term "islamophobe" with such zeal as you do, I would say all the melodramatic hand wringing over a few mentions of antisemitism should be taken with a grain of salt.

As far as posting rubbish on the internet with no consequence is concerned, I would think that if accusations of "Islmophobia" or calling people "racist", "nazi" and the like were taken with the sort of seriousness you suggest only for accusations of antisemitism, there would be far fewer posters here.

 

[gunner]

Considering the frequency with which some of you folks toss around the made-up term "islamophobe" with such zeal as you do, I would say all the melodramatic hand wringing over a few mentions of antisemitism should be taken with a grain of salt.

As far as posting rubbish on the internet with no consequence is concerned, I would think that if accusations of "Islmophobia" or calling people "racist", "nazi" and the like were taken with the sort of seriousness you suggest only for accusations of antisemitism, there would be far fewer posters here.

You cant help but degenerate threads into that quagmire you call mainstream. You have travelled so far of centre that you share a sphere with all manner of reactionary peripherals. Of course frequenting the periphery is not always to be frowned upon but, its the coordinates that guide you that need addressing.

Paul

 

[Grant]

There is no point if what you quote has no relevance to what you are replying to. This is just your usual Gish Gallop.

If you don't see the connection then that's obviously a problem for you, but certainly not for Slainte or me. I'm sure he grasps the point.

Well let's not try and wrongly blame Slainte for this.

I'm not blaming him for anything. It's you who has jumped in without quite understanding the conversation.

He merely responded to yet another of your hate Britain lines.

Then point out the line and debate it. If i said anything dishonest then we can examine that. And let's not ignore the hate towards Americans and Jews coming from the UK so you really should be more adult if you're going to involve yourselves in the hate biz. Learn to take criticism proudly and strongly rather than whining about it. And hell, i haven't even mentioned how Scotland released the mass murderer to Libya, the one who killed all those Americans and where the good people of Lockerbie also suffered. If you really want to discuss the future of Scotland we can go a lot deeper then the "the purchase of over priced Scottish merchandise and tacky holidays".

However it is against the rules of DC to change the thread's topic as you did in the post he responded to.

Well I certainly won't complain about Slainte and i hope you don't either. Snitching over such a minor infraction would be so very small and petty that Slainte would have every right to be upset, and I'd certainly support him.

 

[Grant]

..and deliberately misinterpreted. With Infinite's love for his kids that's understandable and for the trampled feelings I apologise.

However, with kneejerk textbook vitriol and venom from other venting leftists in this board, it does only go to back up some kind of hypocrisy. For indeed there are people in their class who at least turn a blind eye to anti-Semitism (from their beloved guess-whos), or simply denying people Englishness, whilst pretending they're against all prejudice.



'RACIST' NOT TO BAN THE FLAG.....

Banning flags? "Hideously white"?

It seems it is not any other colour of people wanting this except White people. Guilty white liberals to be exact.

It's clear from their decisions and comments that they have no idea how getting along with other races actually works. No wonder there is such chaos being created,

You don't have to suppress your own culture, customs and values to make others feel welcome. Who came up with the goofy idea that you should? That is insane!

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

I would think that if accusations of "Islmophobia" or calling people "racist", "nazi" and the like were taken with the sort of seriousness you suggest only for accusations of antisemitism, there would be far fewer posters here.

I agree. Especially when earlier in this very topic we had Left-Liberals saying with straight faces that there's no such thing as Englishness and that the rest of us are indeed mongrels. Either every statement is discriminatory and hateful or none are.

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

No wonder there is such chaos being created

It's called Multi Culturalism. This is what the melting pot has become has it?


I remember this, which speaks for them all: Schoolgirl arrested for refusing to study with non-English pupils | Mail Online

That's right - a girl couldn't understand Urdu so was effectively punished by the State for it.


That's what happens when the mentality is taken to its necessary extremes - native culture and even language and race have to be compromised. And all because MultiCulti doesn't occur naturally and has to be imposed from the top-down.

 

[Grant]

It's called Multi Culturalism. This is what the melting pot has become has it?

I remember this, which speaks for them all: Schoolgirl arrested for refusing to study with non-English pupils | Mail Online

That's right - a girl couldn't understand Urdu so was effectively punished by the State for it.

That's what happens when the mentality is taken to its necessary extremes - native culture and even language and race have to be compromised. And all because MultiCulti doesn't occur naturally and has to be imposed from the top-down.

That hasn't been the case here, though an Islamic group has tried suppress free speech through a farce we have here called the Canadian Human Rights Commission. But that is not the fault of the Muslims in general. Anyone can use this forum to attack any other Canadian and only the accused must pay, guilty or not, while the accuser gets his bills paid for by the government.

So the UK is not alone in behaving foolishly with cases they feel might be politically incorrect. This CHRC shames Canada, and other democracies must be on their guard to protect themselves from these extra judicial self contained travesties. In Canada's case they can even ignore our Charter of Rights.

It is the State which often exacerbates tensions by trying to impose a desired outcome via political engineering, but of course people often feel manipulated and used when this occurs. Left alone people can generally work things out. The only exception might be when there are too many of the same culture entering one particular area and the local inhabitants feel overwhelmed. This situation should be avoided if at all possible,

 

[iamitter]

And all because MultiCulti doesn't occur naturally and has to be imposed from the top-down.

Tell that to my city and visit Ellis Island in your life, would ya?

 

[Grant]

Tell that to my city and visit Ellis Island in your life, would ya?

Visits to parks can always be rewarding but it's unclear how such a visit would change any minds. There was no official multicultural policy when Ellis Island was going strong.

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[Gardener]

You cant help but degenerate threads into that quagmire you call mainstream. You have travelled so far of centre that you share a sphere with all manner of reactionary peripherals. Of course frequenting the periphery is not always to be frowned upon but, its the coordinates that guide you that need addressing.

Paul

I see. So anything short of your extremist position is too mainstream, and since it is too mainstream, it must be reacionary.

got it.

 

[Gardener]

I agree. Especially when earlier in this very topic we had Left-Liberals saying with straight faces that there's no such thing as Englishness and that the rest of us are indeed mongrels. Either every statement is discriminatory and hateful or none are.

Except for the fact that these people are not liberals.

They are just hypocritical lock-step leftists.

 

[Grant]

Except for the fact that these people are not liberals.

They are just hypocritical lock-step leftists.

You have a talent. Gardener, for getting right to the nub of the matter.

 

[Grant]

it's sometimes easy to mistake the two but I've not seen Grant post in "gish gallop" style before.

I'd never heard the term "gish gallop" used before but thank you for your comment. It's appreciated.

 

[gunner]

I see. So anything short of your extremist position is too mainstream, and since it is too mainstream, it must be reacionary.

got it.

That totally went over your head...and you missed the 'off'!!

Paul

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

Tell that to my city and visit Ellis Island in your life, would ya?

OK, let's write to the Mayor of New York and ask him if he thinks banning the flag and arresting monolingual white schoolgirls is fine for a MultiCulti Society.

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

And on the subject of MultiCulturalism in America......

Churches Open Doors to Islam… | Logan's Warning


Says something that you have to rely on blind ignorance and optimism to try to make a go at the sharp end of it.

Indeed, there's no guarantee that the nice, benign peaceful Muslims will come to the rescue and banish the nasty old extremists - who have been proved to carry the sway with the Establishment and who have proved to represent Islam more literally than others.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Considering the frequency with which some of you folks toss around the made-up term "islamophobe" with such zeal as you do, I would say all the melodramatic hand wringing over a few mentions of antisemitism should be taken with a grain of salt.

As far as posting rubbish on the internet with no consequence is concerned, I would think that if accusations of "Islmophobia" or calling people "racist", "nazi" and the like were taken with the sort of seriousness you suggest only for accusations of antisemitism, there would be far fewer posters here.

In short, you lied and made a serious but false accusation in that post against me. You have no proof to back your lies up, there are no posts I have made which back your claim up and thus you are a complete and utter liar.

I'll happily take whatever infraction I get for calling you a liar because you have proven how little your evil sneering posts are actually based in any form of truth or honesty. It would dissapoint me no end that Mods would seek to protect you if I was infracted for calling you the liar that you are.

I made a claim against RoP which is based not just in what I personally recieved in leaflets through my door but the Telegraph article I linked clearly demonstrated the words he used were also used by the BNP in the last decade. Those same words were used by the National Front and I also have a link to show those same words used by the White Defence League in 1958.

Trying to pass your accusation off as a "few mentions of antisemitism" is a total lie because there is nothing to back the falsehoods that drip from your mouth. I have never said the words on this forum nor have I thought the thoughts that could create such words and used them against jews.

You lied then and you lie in the post I am quoting. Have I told you enough times that you are a liar for you to realise that I want proof of your claim otherwise I will treat every post you ever make to me with the same contempt you deserve?

Except for the fact that these people are not liberals.

They are just hypocritical lock-step leftists.

You have a talent. Gardener, for getting right to the nub of the matter.

First time I've ever seen a bald faced liar complimented for "getting to the nub of a matter." :doh

 

[Grant]

First time I've ever seen a bald faced liar complimented for "getting to the nub of a matter." :doh

The point was that too often Leftists call themselves "Liberal", and the result has been to defile a once noble word. Calling them "Progressive" is another term that should be avoided when referring to these people.

They are Leftists and their commonality is in wanting a strong centralized government. What form this takes is often unimportant.

But the point remains that we should use the appropriate words when we refer to them, and not use the words of their choosing. Their attempts to control the language should always be challenged.