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UK- Homelessness at Record High as Those Sleeping Rough or in Cars Doubles – Study

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Homelessness has reached a record-high with more than 170,000 families and individuals experiencing destitution in an increase caused by a doubling of those sleeping rough or in tents, cars and public transport, a study suggests.

The scale of homelessness was 13% higher last year compared to 2012, with an increase seen every year in between, according to the research published on Sunday by charity Crisis.

The majority are sofa-surfing or living in hostels, but 12,300 were sleeping rough, nearly 12,000 in vehicles and tents and almost 21,000 in “unsuitable” temporary accommodation, the study said.

Over five years in Great Britain, these types of precarious living are believed to have increased by around 100%.

Nearly 600 homeless people died last year, a rise of almost a quarter over five years.

On average they were dying at the age of 44 – a life expectancy nearly half that for people in stable housing – because of high rates of suicide, drug poisonings and alcohol-related issues.

https://www.iwcp.co.uk/news/nationa...hose-sleeping-rough-or-in-cars-doubles-study/

Over the next 10 years, 46% of UK population growth is projected to result from more births than deaths, with 54% resulting from net international migration. The UK population is projected to pass 70 million by mid-2029 and be 72.9 million in mid-2041.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ationprojections/2016basedstatisticalbulletin

I have no idea how Britain is going to accommodate the swelling numbers of people into the island. Theresa May recent signed the UK into joining the UN's Global Migration Pact, which calls for 'regular migration', 'population replacement migration', as well as laws barring the very criticism of migration as hate speech. No one seems to be minding the store.
 
Nice dodge. You realised it messes up the narrative of your story.

It's not a dodge. Go on, tell me how the English should bulldoze their countryside, in order to accommodate the 3rd world. Why there's PLENTY of room for Africa and Pakistan to move right in. We'll just put Grenfell styled projects up over all the available farmland! Genius IC.
 
Over the next 10 years, 46% of UK population growth is projected to result from more births than deaths, with 54% resulting from net international migration. The UK population is projected to pass 70 million by mid-2029 and be 72.9 million in mid-2041.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ationprojections/2016basedstatisticalbulletin

I have no idea how Britain is going to accommodate the swelling numbers of people into the island. Theresa May recent signed the UK into joining the UN's Global Migration Pact, which calls for 'regular migration', 'population replacement migration', as well as laws barring the very criticism of migration as hate speech. No one seems to be minding the store.
Stop lying about the UN Migration Compact.

And there is plenty of room in the UK.

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UK homelessness is a direct result of a decade and more of Conservative government austerity policy.
 
~ tell me how the English should bulldoze their countryside, in order to accommodate the 3rd world. Why there's PLENTY of room for Africa and Pakistan to move right in ~

Where did I ever say that? You make s**t up just to justify your narrative. 6% of UK land has been built on - no more, no less. Homelessness (as Manc Skipper points out) is due to economic policy. Policy I supported in order to bring down the economic deficit. When I threw my weight behind the policy of austerity it was because the UK had spent billions in supporting failed banks and recovery from the credit crunch. I knew there would be human cost.

The difference between my position on homeless and healthcare costs for you and me is I am informed by why those costs happened. You are the type who listens to populists who say homelessness and unemployment in the west is the fault of the 3rd world.
 
UK homelessness is a direct result of a decade and more of Conservative government austerity policy.
I just recently saw a feature of how the Hungarian government has installed a policy of driving the homeless from big city centres by either kicking them to the city limits completely or forcing them to spend the night in a shelter. Of which, if the feature is to be believed, there are far too few to go around.

Hungary, the state which takes no 3rd world refugees (or migrants of other status) at all.
 
I just recently saw a feature of how the Hungarian government has installed a policy of driving the homeless from big city centres by either kicking them to the city limits completely or forcing them to spend the night in a shelter. Of which, if the feature is to be believed, there are far too few to go around.

Hungary, the state which takes no 3rd world refugees (or migrants of other status) at all.

Interesting feature on the man and country.
 
Where did I ever say that? You make s**t up just to justify your narrative. 6% of UK land has been built on - no more, no less. Homelessness (as Manc Skipper points out) is due to economic policy. Policy I supported in order to bring down the economic deficit. When I threw my weight behind the policy of austerity it was because the UK had spent billions in supporting failed banks and recovery from the credit crunch. I knew there would be human cost.

The difference between my position on homeless and healthcare costs for you and me is I am informed by why those costs happened. You are the type who listens to populists who say homelessness and unemployment in the west is the fault of the 3rd world.

I don't rely on journalists or pundits to shape my opinion. That would be foolish considering these people are employed by millionaires doing the bidding of other millionaires and billionaires.

How are you going to solve the homeless problem? By building on undeveloped land, yes?
 
I don't rely on journalists or pundits to shape my opinion. That would be foolish considering these people are employed by millionaires doing the bidding of other millionaires and billionaires.

How are you going to solve the homeless problem? By building on undeveloped land, yes?

There are more than enough empty homes for the homeless, there are charities who are there to help the homeless. 11000 homes have been empty for 10 years however there are two core issues.

  1. Homelessness is a complex problem. Just because a homeless person is homeless does not mean they actually want to go into housing.
  2. It's not the fault of brown migrants whether legal or not - or even the UN that people are homeless.
 
Where did I ever say that? You make s**t up just to justify your narrative. 6% of UK land has been built on - no more, no less. Homelessness (as Manc Skipper points out) is due to economic policy. Policy I supported in order to bring down the economic deficit. When I threw my weight behind the policy of austerity it was because the UK had spent billions in supporting failed banks and recovery from the credit crunch. I knew there would be human cost.

The difference between my position on homeless and healthcare costs for you and me is I am informed by why those costs happened. You are the type who listens to populists who say homelessness and unemployment in the west is the fault of the 3rd world.

It seems that your own media over there says you have no idea what you are talking about.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ost-to-development-in-six-years-10356434.html

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/10/countryside-has-never-had-it-so-bad

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/6...ion-boom-devastate-infrastructure-countryside


Even your Price Charles is whining....

https://www.aol.co.uk/2014/11/12/pr...-losing-the-british-countryside/?guccounter=1


And it goes on......

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...-Why-countryside-ripped-apart-bulldozers.html
 

If you'd actually bothered to read your own links...

From Link 1 - Comparing the latest survey with the previous one, the work reveals that a total of 224,200 hectares – or 2,225sq km – of land was transformed between 2006 and 2012, an area representing about 1 per cent of the UK.

Link 2 - Basically talking about an England that never existed. It's also about protecting rural England from "aesthetes and foodies from afar who are attracted by mouth-watering gastropubs, micro-brewers and cool fromagers." Nothing to do with what our resident liar is trying make this about i.e. 3rd World immigrants.

Link 3 - The timing of the article is important, this was at the time of the Brexit referendum. Papers like the Express were warning that membership of the EU would continue the "flood of Romanian and EU immigrants." Those lies have been exposed and their campaign shown up for what it was.

Link 4 - Prince Charles...... nuff said.

Link 5 - See Link 3. This was also the time when London and the economic engine it is was being castigated by those who couldn't get into London.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/britains-spatially-unbalanced-economy/

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/oct/23/london-south-east-economic-boom

You could hardly ready any article on the economic imbalance of the South vs the rest of the country without reading local yokels around the UK running London down and wishing for disaster on the economy of London. The idiocy of these arguments was that same economic powerhouse was also keeping the rest of the country afloat.
 
If you'd actually bothered to read your own links...

From Link 1 - Comparing the latest survey with the previous one, the work reveals that a total of 224,200 hectares – or 2,225sq km – of land was transformed between 2006 and 2012, an area representing about 1 per cent of the UK.

Link 2 - Basically talking about an England that never existed. It's also about protecting rural England from "aesthetes and foodies from afar who are attracted by mouth-watering gastropubs, micro-brewers and cool fromagers." Nothing to do with what our resident liar is trying make this about i.e. 3rd World immigrants.

Link 3 - The timing of the article is important, this was at the time of the Brexit referendum. Papers like the Express were warning that membership of the EU would continue the "flood of Romanian and EU immigrants." Those lies have been exposed and their campaign shown up for what it was.

Link 4 - Prince Charles...... nuff said.

Link 5 - See Link 3. This was also the time when London and the economic engine it is was being castigated by those who couldn't get into London.

Britain's spatially unbalanced economy is both wasteful and unstable. The solution requires much more than small-scale measures | British Politics and Policy at LSE

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/oct/23/london-south-east-economic-boom

You could hardly ready any article on the economic imbalance of the South vs the rest of the country without reading local yokels around the UK running London down and wishing for disaster on the economy of London. The idiocy of these arguments was that same economic powerhouse was also keeping the rest of the country afloat.

In other words......... you are being over populated and can hardly feed yourselves.

You can twist it any way you like, but you import more food than you can produce.

Have fun living in your high rise government subsidized flats.....and sucking off the world.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...f-of-uks-food-sourced-from-abroad-study-finds

https://www.foodsecurity.ac.uk/challenge/uk-threat/
 
In other words......... you are being over populated and can hardly feed yourselves.

You can twist it any way you like, but you import more food than you can produce.

Have fun living in your high rise government subsidized flats.....and sucking off the world.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...f-of-uks-food-sourced-from-abroad-study-finds

https://www.foodsecurity.ac.uk/challenge/uk-threat/

By 1871, Britain was importing 40%8 of its food and the population had risen to 27 million and by the height of the Empire in 1914 imports were at 60%8

60% is high in the modern period. Britain was last self-sufficient in food in the first half of the 19th century. With the Empire and a commitment to free trade, Britain’s self sufficiency had dropped to 40% by 1914 and dropped to nearer 30% in the 1930s (DEFRA Para 4.12 figure 1).

No need for me to twist anything when you repeatedly show you are easily fooled by shock-horror headlines and have very little grasp of history.

https://archive.swale.gov.uk/assets...od-Security-in-a-changing-world-DEFRA2008.pdf

"sucking off the world" - you easily forget we had an empire and milked that to feed the UK. Your country wouldn't be where it is now if it hadn't been for the UK's need and desire for raw materials.

You now have my permission to go off topic about US independence and Boston Tea Party etc.....
 
Over the next 10 years, 46% of UK population growth is projected to result from more births than deaths, with 54% resulting from net international migration. The UK population is projected to pass 70 million by mid-2029 and be 72.9 million in mid-2041.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ationprojections/2016basedstatisticalbulletin

I have no idea how Britain is going to accommodate the swelling numbers of people into the island. Theresa May recent signed the UK into joining the UN's Global Migration Pact, which calls for 'regular migration', 'population replacement migration', as well as laws barring the very criticism of migration as hate speech. No one seems to be minding the store.

More anti-immigrant nonsense I see. Laws barring criticism of migration as hate speech :lamo:lamo You must have never heard of UKIP or the fact that being critical of immigration is not barred by law. When you do other things besides criticize immigration (like hatemonger, insult, call for violence) then you can get prosecuted but to claim criticism of immigration is barred by law that is just abject nonsense.

And population migration is very much needed in the UK because in some jobs there are not enough trained British people to fill the vacancies.

And I am pretty sure the immigration peak will drop off as soon as EU citizens are no longer allowed to live and work in the UK. Because a large contingent of population growth came from Eastern EU countries. That will soon end so the UK is not going to have that many immigrants from the EU anymore.

Also, not sure this has anything to do with homelessness.
 
It's not a dodge. Go on, tell me how the English should bulldoze their countryside, in order to accommodate the 3rd world. Why there's PLENTY of room for Africa and Pakistan to move right in. We'll just put Grenfell styled projects up over all the available farmland! Genius IC.

More baseless, uninformed nonsense I see. This is not about bulldozing the countryside, this is about how many young people who grew up in the country cannot afford to build or buy a house in their own villages anymore because the houses that become available are being bought up by people moving into the country from cities like London wiping out the young of many villages who have to move to big cities to find a home.

And no, there is no need to put up flats, but homes regular people can afford on the countryside would be a nice change for many who grew up in the country and now cannot afford to own their own house and being forced out of their own villages by the insanely strict UK building laws.
 
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