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Uganda bombs kill 74, Islamists claim attack

ludahai

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KAMPALA (Reuters) – Somali Islamists said on Monday they had carried out two bomb attacks in Uganda that killed 74 soccer fans watching the World Cup final on television.

The explosions in the closing moments of Sunday's match ripped through a crowded restaurant and a rugby club in the capital Kampala.

Islamofascist terrorists at it again...
 

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Horrible yes. I hate Al Shabab ....

But Ugandan troops should not have been in Somalia to begin with. No one has learned from Ethiopia's attempts in Somalia clearly
 
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Horrible yes. I hate Al Shabab ....

But Ugandan troops should not have been in Somalia to begin with. No one has learned from Ethiopia's attempts in Somalia clearly

The Ugandan force is part of an African Union force that is there to try to bring stability to Somalia. I have no problem with Ugandan forces being in the southern part of Somalia where they are needed...
 

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The religions of peace, at it again.
 

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Define fascism, then define islam. Then come back to me with how you can collide the two into such a word.
 

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The Ugandan force is part of an African Union force that is there to try to bring stability to Somalia. I have no problem with Ugandan forces being in the southern part of Somalia where they are needed...

I have a issue with any foreign troops in Somalia.
It achieves nothing and only succeeds in radicalising a generation of Somalis.

People need to learn from Ethiopia's mistakes. Leave the South alone, they will find peace only when they get tired of fighting.
 

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The religions of peace, at it again.

Religion has very little to do with problems in HOA - especially Somalia.
It is tribal politics at play here.
 

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I have a issue with any foreign troops in Somalia.
It achieves nothing and only succeeds in radicalising a generation of Somalis.

People need to learn from Ethiopia's mistakes. Leave the South alone, they will find peace only when they get tired of fighting.

Except that it seems the provisional government WANTS them there. Furthermore, that is where the pirates are based. It is an international problem that requires an international (preferably African) solution...
 

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Except that it seems the provisional government WANTS them there. Furthermore, that is where the pirates are based. It is an international problem that requires an international (preferably African) solution...

Well of course the "government" wants them there, they can't even control the capital. They are not liked, wanted or needed by Somalis. They know they'd be torn apart if they went in without foreign troops helping them.

Anarchy in land, piracy at sea. It was inevitable, I'm just surprised it didn't occur earlier.
 

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Somalia is a classic example of a failed state. It is a territory with numerous tribal and ethnic rivalries. It lacks a government except in name only (the rump "government" is incapable of exercising jurisdiction and is seen by a large share of the population as illegitimate and worse). The area lacks the most basic institutions on which a nation depends: legal, political, and economic. Failed states are not very conducive to peacekeeping. Peacekeeping requires some basic institutions, so that efforts contribute toward keeping peace rather than trying to address the far more complex issues and violence associated with anarchy.

Now some of Somalia's pathologies (rivalries, animosities, hostilities) and anarchy are spilling into a larger slice of East Africa e.g., the Al-Shabaab terrorist organization responsible for the attack in Uganda is taking its fight to neighboring states. IMO, Ethiopia, Djibouti, and Kenya should focus on securing their regions that border Somalia rather than becoming involved in what is a failed state. Uganda could play a constructive role in helping those neighboring states do so.

Whether or not the international community needs to take and hold the Somali coastline due to rampant piracy is a separate issue. Personally, I believe a more robust naval deployment with escorts for ships would be preferable, as land forces would face instability and violence typical of failed states.
 

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Somalia is a classic example of a failed state. It is a territory with numerous tribal and ethnic rivalries. It lacks a government except in name only (the rump "government" is incapable of exercising jurisdiction and is seen by a large share of the population as illegitimate and worse). The area lacks the most basic institutions on which a nation depends: legal, political, and economic. Failed states are not very conducive to peacekeeping. Peacekeeping requires some basic institutions, so that efforts contribute toward keeping peace rather than trying to address the far more complex issues and violence associated with anarchy.

Sadly, I have to agree with this.

Now some of Somalia's pathologies (rivalries, animosities, hostilities) and anarchy are spilling into a larger slice of East Africa e.g., the Al-Shabaab terrorist organization responsible for the attack in Uganda is taking its fight to neighboring states. IMO, Ethiopia, Djibouti, and Kenya should focus on securing their regions that border Somalia rather than becoming involved in what is a failed state. Uganda could play a constructive role in helping those neighboring states do so.

I was reading more about this today and was not all that surprised to see this a-s group referring to Ugandan crusaders and U.S. proxy. It would be nice to see regional Islamic states play a constructive role, but they don't exactly have great track records (i.e. Sudan and Eritrea).

Whether or not the international community needs to take and hold the Somali coastline due to rampant piracy is a separate issue. Personally, I believe a more robust naval deployment with escorts for ships would be preferable, as land forces would face instability and violence typical of failed states.

Problem is that is a vast area of sea and it is a far more difficult proposition than most people think to cover that much sea. Ask anyone who has ever served at sea and they will tell you it is vast and you simply can't cover it all...
 

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What is the caliphate? Who would lead such a thing?


It is a form of fascism.

I know what a caliphate is basically a government representing the unity of the Muslim world under Islamic law.

But no one can lead it hence why it will never happen - there is too many divisions amongst Muslims.
 

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Somalia is a classic example of a failed state. It is a territory with numerous tribal and ethnic rivalries. It lacks a government except in name only (the rump "government" is incapable of exercising jurisdiction and is seen by a large share of the population as illegitimate and worse). The area lacks the most basic institutions on which a nation depends: legal, political, and economic. Failed states are not very conducive to peacekeeping. Peacekeeping requires some basic institutions, so that efforts contribute toward keeping peace rather than trying to address the far more complex issues and violence associated with anarchy.

Now some of Somalia's pathologies (rivalries, animosities, hostilities) and anarchy are spilling into a larger slice of East Africa e.g., the Al-Shabaab terrorist organization responsible for the attack in Uganda is taking its fight to neighboring states. IMO, Ethiopia, Djibouti, and Kenya should focus on securing their regions that border Somalia rather than becoming involved in what is a failed state. Uganda could play a constructive role in helping those neighboring states do so.

Whether or not the international community needs to take and hold the Somali coastline due to rampant piracy is a separate issue. Personally, I believe a more robust naval deployment with escorts for ships would be preferable, as land forces would face instability and violence typical of failed states.

Somalia wasn't always a failed state. Somalia's history is never one of centralized power and it never will be. A nation of nomads, traditional means was used to govern and police the populace. The problem is that it is now moving from tribal warfare to a religious one.

All true but I personally take great amusement when Dijoubti or Eitrea get worried over the South. No more than they deserve for meddling in things not to be touched.
 
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I know what a caliphate is basically a government representing the unity of the Muslim world under Islamic law.

But no one can lead it hence why it will never happen - there is too many divisions amongst Muslims.





I agree with your assesment, however the goal is a theocratic fascist state is it not?
 
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