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Canada will put a stop to that.
We can't refine any more than we are refining, so it really does not matter how much we produce (not that the 5-year estimate is anywhere close to true).
build more refineries?
We can't refine any more than we are refining, so it really does not matter how much we produce (not that the 5-year estimate is anywhere close to true).
My understanding is the current regulatory policies and Local Bribe Club/Public Official Retirement Plans make that virtually impossible to do anywhere near where the oil comes in. I think I heard somewhere it takes about 30 years to build a fully functioning refinery anyway but IDK.
Nonsense. We can refine as much as we want to, and do it in a safe manner. The present limit on refining is due to refinery capacity not keeping up. The safest and most economical method of bringing the carbon based energy to the consumer is to do it in our country where manufacturing and delivery can be observed. This does not mean using regulation to limit supply to make alternate sources more competitive. The simple answer is to encourage more refining capacity. Make a guess how many new refineries have been brought on line in the past few years.
None. We have taken 6 refineries offline in the past few years.
jesus if it really takes 30 years we're screwed. but i cant imagine anything takes 30 years to build...i mean we can make aircraft carriers from scratch including nuclear reactors in 4 years. i cant believe it takes 30 to make an oil processing facility. do you have any sources for that figure? i'd be shocked if it was true
It doesn't take 30 years. This is a country that started WW II with almost no military manufacturing capacity and ended up producing over 300,000 airplanes and a thousand ships in 4 years. The problem is refusing to allow the permit to be issued and the hole to be dug.
My understanding is the current regulatory policies and Local Bribe Club/Public Official Retirement Plans make that virtually impossible to do anywhere near where the oil comes in. I think I heard somewhere it takes about 30 years to build a fully functioning refinery anyway but IDK.
It doesn't take 30 years. This is a country that started WW II with almost no military manufacturing capacity and ended up producing over 300,000 airplanes and a thousand ships in 4 years. The problem is refusing to allow the permit to be issued and the hole to be dug.
good. that makes me feel better.
Does it make you feel better that one of our newest refineries took 7 years just to get one single clean air permit?
Depending on where it is located, you have the additional headaches of environmental law suits to try to stop you. You then must also take into consideration the issues with building pipelines and stuff. The regulatory aspects are the headache. I read they had tried to build a super refinery in Louisiana but after basically having to bribe local "facilitators" to bribe the endless line of local officials, the company gave up on it but I forgot which company that was.
YIPPEE! Two New Oil Refineries in Development. First in US in 35 Years. « freedombytheway
why dont we use solar powered trains to deliver oil to refineries in the desert where no one cares about the environment? actually nevermind, that sounds too much like compromise between the left and the right to ever work.
U.S. to Be World’s Top Oil Producer in 5 Years
When it happens, I will believe it.
Not before.
Does it make you feel better that one of our newest refineries took 7 years just to get one single clean air permit?
Depending on where it is located, you have the additional headaches of environmental law suits to try to stop you. You then must also take into consideration the issues with building pipelines and stuff. The regulatory aspects are the headache. I read they had tried to build a super refinery in Louisiana but after basically having to bribe local "facilitators" to bribe the endless line of local officials, the company gave up on it but I forgot which company that was.
YIPPEE! Two New Oil Refineries in Development. First in US in 35 Years. « freedombytheway
That and you forget that environmental whackos flock to the desert and have nothing better to do with their time than sue people on behalf of endangered humpback snails.
We'd be better off just building a bunch in Mexico and piping it across IMHO. I imagine the cost of desalination plants for more water would be less than the legal fees here in the US. It would also help with that illegal immigration problem, but that makes too much sense.
It pays to look at Keystone. The line was proposed in 2005, the extension in 2008. Canada and some states have already approved the project. Obama put it in hold till after 2013. There is no guarantee that it will ever be built.
If the US doesn't get the pipeline, the line will be built to the ocean to load ships carrying crude to China. No environmental worries, no permit issues, no US jobs or fuel.
The pipeline is a win win for everyone. The US gets the refining, Canada gets the oil revenue, the world and the US get the oil. The obstacle is the environmentalists and the alternate fuel crowd. Bringing cheaper oil to the world and US markets dooms the alternate energy market, already underwater in terms of competitiveness.
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