The Russians accepted an independent Ukraine COMBINED WITH an empty verbal promise from the US that it would remain independent and not become a satellite of NATO.
I'm sure the Russians are kicking themselves in the arse for having believed the US government. They have now learned the lessons the Native American Tribes all learned in previous centuries--the US government goes back on its word as a matter of routine.
The point conveniently overlooked by those patronising of Western powers.
Simpleχity;1064224721 said:The Moscow Times | U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'
Indeed. The rebels and Russia signed a document (The Minsk Agreement) which called for a ceasefire and a freeze on troop movements beginning at 1600 GMT on 5 September 2014. It was signed by rebel leaders Aleksandr Zakharchenko and Ihor Plotnytskiy and the Russian Ambassador to Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov. Russia also agreed in Minsk to pull all forces and equipment out of Ukraine. Toilet paper promises.
Within the past two weeks, rebel forces supplied by and in tandem with Russian forces have launched a major offensive and have captured the Donetsk International Airport and ~500 sq. miles of additional territory. They have attacked on a curved arc beginning at Volnovakha in the southeast, north to Pisky, and east to Stanytsk-Luhanska. These forces now control 7% of Ukraine territory (besides Crimea) and 20% of the population.
Rebel armored vehicles (supplied by Russia) move towards Slovyanoserbsk in eastern Ukraine on Wednesday 21 January 2015. (Boston Herald)
You're not smarter than your pet newt. Ask your newt about Russian Rocket engines.
Maybe they'll teach you more next year in third grade.
US Too Dependent on Russian Rocket Engines, Experts Tell Lawmakers
"Should the Russian government yank its supply of rocket engines for United States launches, critical national-security satellite missions could be delayed up to four years, experts told a joint Senate hearing Wednesday (July 16).
United Launch Alliance's (ULA) Atlas 5 rocket is the workhorse of heavy satellite launches in the United States, but the booster requires a Russian RD-180 engine to get off the ground.
Recent geopolitical disputes between Russia and the United States have thrown this arrangement, which has been in place for decades, into turmoil. In Twitter remarks in May, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin threatened to ban all sales of RD-180 engines to the United States intended for use in military launches."
U.S. military, national security agencies vexed by dependence on Russian rocket engines - The Washington Post
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American spy satellites and classified military spacecraft are routinely launched into orbit with help from Russian rocket engines developed in the Soviet era. That is no secret to anyone in the world of national security space launches.
The big question is whether this intimate technological relationship can continue given the political fallout from Russia’s actions in Ukraine. Already, a top Kremlin official has threatened to ban the export to the United States of powerful RD-180 engines unless Russia is guaranteed that they won’t be used by the U.S. military.
U.S. military officials and space-industry experts say it’s high time the United States had an industrial base that produced rocket engines that can do what the Russian engines do. Congress is in the process of authorizing money for such an effort. In theory, it’s a no-brainer: Why rely on Russians for such an integral *element of the U.S. national security program?
But everything is highly inertial in the world of rocket science. The creation of powerful rocket engines in the United States could take several years at least. If the supply of Russian engines were cut off in the meantime, the U.S. launch program would face delays, with attendant costs to taxpayers of billions of dollars, according to a recent U.S. Air Force study"
Wow, free press in the heart of Russia, doesn't that beat all, lol.
You should be proud to know that the CIA generated Perception Management has been a complete success for you. You will always know about everything going on and never have to waste time thinking about things and arriving at answers/solutions using truth, logic, reason, common sense, books, or anything else for that matter. It's all being done for you and your talking points will be updated shortly. Enjoy your matrix.
The Moscow Times is not a Russian publication it is a foreign owned English Language tabloid for westerners living in Russia and is not available at news stands.
The point conveniently overlooked by those patronising of Western powers.
I wonder if Victoria Nuland takes some perverse pleasure in that turn of events?
I wonder if Victoria Nuland takes some perverse pleasure in that turn of events?
Yes of course, but it is published in Moscow and gets circulated in places that expats hang out. Don't think Putin could put an end to that?
He doesn't have to because it's not read by 99.999999999999% of the population.
The Moscow Times is a foreign-owned newspaper published Mon-Fri in Russia. It has a daily circulation of 35,000 in a nation of 143 million people.You haven't a clue where these papers end up, and who else sees them beyond expats.
So was it this Victoria Nuland that paid the unarmed protesters to face down Yanukovych's guns then ? How did she manage that and I wonder how much they each got paid ?
I have no earthly idea. I live in Florida, do not work for the State Department, and have never been to Ukraine or met Nuland.
All of the American Newspapers and TV News and Cable News and even international News are controlled by massive corporations who have their own agendas being pushed into the population.Simpleχity;1064322271 said:The Moscow Times is a foreign-owned newspaper published Mon-Fri in Russia.
Lol. The Moscow Times is owned by Sanoma Oyj which is headquartered in Helsinki, Finland.So if the Moscow-Times is controlled or "influenced" by the USA or by the UK then yes I would say it would be as corrupt and misleading as our own News sources.
I see no reason not to expect that to be infected with the CIA.Simpleχity;1064322975 said:Lol. The Moscow Times is owned by Sanoma Oyj which is headquartered in Helsinki, Finland.
I see no reason not to expect that to be infected with the CIA.
I see it as relevant that the Sanoma Oyj media group has been removed from publishing in the Ukraine this year 2015.
So I still suspect that the Moscow-Times would still be as corrupt and misleading as our own American News sources who are controlled by massive corporations who have their own agendas being pushed into the population.
Except, Westerners are the good guys, always, and never publish propaganda anywhere. And the opposite is true of the rest and always.
I know I know .... If only they were a bit more like the noble Russian totalitarian autocracy you so admire .... tsk ! :lamo
As usual, you have to put words in someone's mouth in order to advance your idiotic argument. Learn what a strawman is and stop looking like an idiot for using them. I never said that the Russian government was squeaky clean, I just pointed out that neither are Western governments and that light always sends the cockroaches fleeing.
There is no moral equivalency between Putins mafia oligarchy and the West, much as you try to assert otherwise.
And only the most patronising anywhere think themselves always superior. The disillusioned.
I have seen this said before and I really do not get the point.
Everything is an opinion, as we are all humans and our opinions do count.
President Obama gives his opinion and President Putin gives his opinion and they count.
Unless you see your own opinions as facts while every other opinion is just an opinion, as if being an opinion degrades the truth which it does not.
In a Court trial people give their testimony based on their belief and understanding and opinions and it is "evidence" and opinions have always been evidence and always will be.
I figure that you are just trying to cop-out as if your own opinions are FACTS and then you can deny the truth given to you by others.
If you do not respect the opinions of others then the defect is in your self and not in our evidence.
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