Could this be the next war front? Possibly not with Bin Laden and his boys but with Chavez and his thugs.
U.S. military report warns 'sudden collapse' of Mexico is possible - El Paso Times
The black helicopters are coming, put on your tinfoil hat.
I wondered the same thing.Why would Chavez be involved with Mexico?
I doubt it...
the mexican military will act decisively against any revolutionaries, or outsiders, trying to take down the existing govt.
IF it is tried in a civil manner, the govt will just "give" more to its citizens, placating them, as they have for decades.
Altho, a case might be made that many of the illegal immigrants HERE who are having to go home due to lack of work will chafe at the restraints the mexican govt puts on its own people there....
EL PASO - Mexico is one of two countries that "bear consideration for a rapid and sudden collapse," according to a report by the U.S. Joint Forces Command on worldwide security threats.
The command's "Joint Operating Environment (JOE 2008)" report, which contains projections of global threats and potential next wars, puts Pakistan on the same level as Mexico. "In terms of worse-case scenarios for the Joint Force and indeed the world, two large and important states bear consideration for a rapid and sudden collapse: Pakistan and Mexico.
"The Mexican possibility may seem less likely, but the government, its politicians, police and judicial infrastructure are all under sustained assault and press by criminal gangs and drug cartels. How that internal conflict turns out over the next several years will have a major impact on the stability of the Mexican state. Any descent by Mexico into chaos would demand an American response based on the serious implications for homeland security alone."
The U.S. Joint Forces Command, based in Norfolk, Va., is one of the Defense Departments combat commands that includes members of the different military service branches, active and reserves, as well as civilian and contract employees. One of its key roles is to help transform the U.S. military's capabilities.
In the foreword, Marine Gen. J.N. Mattis, the USJFC commander, said "Predictions about the future are always risky ... Regardless, if we do not try to forecast the future, there is no doubt that we will be caught off guard as we strive to protect this experiment in democracy that we call America."
The report is one in a series focusing on Mexico's internal security problems, mostly stemming from drug violence and drug corruption. In recent weeks, the Department of Homeland Security and former U.S. drug czar Barry McCaffrey issued similar alerts about Mexico.
Despite such reports, El Pasoan Veronica Callaghan, a border business leader, said she keeps running into people in the region who "are in denial about what is happening in Mexico."
Last week, Mexican President Felipe Calderon instructed his embassy and consular officials to promote a positive image of Mexico.
This isn't at all a tinfoil hat story, if you've been paying attention to what's been happening in Mexico. For the past couple years, the drug cartels have been involved in a low-grade civil war against the government and each other. In the last few months the violence has increased enormously,
This would be a good opportunity for Obama to push for the decriminalization of all drugs. But I'm not holding my breath.
Give me a break. All this is another attempt of fear mongering to find boogie men that "will harm us and rape our women". We have seen it when it comes to communists and Muslims, and now that the right has lost power in the US, they will use any and all methods to drive fear into the populace so they can take power again and "do something about it". And considering that latinos are the new "enemy" to many on the right due to the immigration issue, and most come through Mexico, then it is only natural that the right would use language and "opinions" like this to drive fear into the average American.. after all it has worked with Communists and Muslims.
The chances of Mexico going into a civil war and collapse is as about the same chance that George W Bush goes to jail for the crap he did during his presidency.
Despite such reports, El Pasoan Veronica Callaghan, a border business leader, said she keeps running into people in the region who "are in denial about what is happening in Mexico."
Give me a break. All this is another attempt of fear mongering to find boogie men that "will harm us and rape our women". We have seen it when it comes to communists and Muslims, and now that the right has lost power in the US, they will use any and all methods to drive fear into the populace so they can take power again and "do something about it". And considering that latinos are the new "enemy" to many on the right due to the immigration issue, and most come through Mexico, then it is only natural that the right would use language and "opinions" like this to drive fear into the average American.. after all it has worked with Communists and Muslims.
The chances of Mexico going into a civil war and collapse is as about the same chance that George W Bush goes to jail for the crap he did during his presidency.
Considering that Im Hispanic descent, Im going to say that your full of bull****. The reason I even posted this story is because Mexico is our next door neighbor. Civil Wars tend to spill into other countries if they arent contained.
Give me a break. All this is another attempt of fear mongering to find boogie men that "will harm us and rape our women". We have seen it when it comes to communists and Muslims, and now that the right has lost power in the US, they will use any and all methods to drive fear into the populace so they can take power again and "do something about it". And considering that latinos are the new "enemy" to many on the right due to the immigration issue, and most come through Mexico, then it is only natural that the right would use language and "opinions" like this to drive fear into the average American.. after all it has worked with Communists and Muslims.
The chances of Mexico going into a civil war and collapse is as about the same chance that George W Bush goes to jail for the crap he did during his presidency.
The reason I even posted this story is because Mexico is our next door neighbor. Civil Wars tend to spill into other countries if they arent contained.
The real question is, if Mexico collapses would we take it? I mean, it's probably big enough that we can get 4 states out of it, that gives us a full column. But the water is terrible, so I don't know if we'd want to take it. I'd rather have Canada, at least then Alaska wouldn't be so lonely.
Considering that Im Hispanic descent, Im going to say that your full of bull****. The reason I even posted this story is because Mexico is our next door neighbor. Civil Wars tend to spill into other countries if they arent contained.
Umm I don't know what you're talking about, but I have NEVER fear-mongered about Mexicans. In fact, I've often criticized those who do. I *welcome* immigration from Mexico.
Give me a break. All this is another attempt of fear mongering to find boogie men that "will harm us and rape our women". We have seen it when it comes to communists and Muslims, and now that the right has lost power in the US, they will use any and all methods to drive fear into the populace so they can take power again and "do something about it". And considering that latinos are the new "enemy" to many on the right due to the immigration issue, and most come through Mexico, then it is only natural that the right would use language and "opinions" like this to drive fear into the average American.. after all it has worked with Communists and Muslims.
The chances of Mexico going into a civil war and collapse is as about the same chance that George W Bush goes to jail for the crap he did during his presidency.
But other than that, yes Civil Wars do tend to spill over borders, but Mexico is no where near a civil war. It is a criminal war, not unlike the mafia wars of various US cities, or the gang warfare in other US cities.. is the US also on the brink of civil war then? Is the on going mafia war in Naples, a prelude to the collapse of Italy and the EU and a massive European civil war?
PeteEU said:The chances of Mexico going into a civil war and collapse is as about the same chance that George W Bush goes to jail for the crap he did during his presidency.
This shows a complete lack of understanding of how severe the problem is in Mexico. First of all, mafia wars simply do not exist in the United States anymore. Gang wars exist, but they're nowhere NEAR on the same scale as the Mexican drug cartels' war with each other and with the police. Juarez is an unbelievably brutal place, with one of the highest murder rates in the world...placing it on par with ghastly places like Caracas and Johannesburg. There were more murders in Juarez in 2008 than there were in Baghdad.
I don't see this as so much a civil war, but more of guerilla-type warfare. If the Mexican government continues to fight, the cartels are only going to recruit more soldiers and fight back in totally unconventional ways. The Mexican government cannot compete with these cartels. That's why there is this warning of the collapse and it should be taken seriously.
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