U.S. gets ‘Sovietized’ (1 Viewer)

[danarhea]

For starters, let me quote from the article.

We have seen America’s president and vice president, sworn to uphold the Constitution, advocating some of the same interrogation techniques the KGB used at the Lubyanka. They apparently believe beating, freezing, sleep deprivation and near-drowning are necessary to prevent terrorist attacks. So did Stalin.

Truer words were never spoken.

Yes, the US is moving ever closer to a Soviet-style government, and it doesnt matter arguing whether it is the Democrats or the Republicans who are responsible. They all bear the blame. In the past, America was a beacon to the world. Now, we are fast becoming what we at one time fought against. Replacing Republicans wont solve this problem, nor will replacing Democrats. As Americans, we have a lot of soul searching to do.

Will we one day choose to be a nation under God again? We certainly are not a nation under God at this time. If you disagree, then just ask yourself "Would Jesus do what we are now doing"?

For those of you who profess Christianity, please answer the above question, and while you are pondering that question, let me add that the Bible did predict a beast nation, which would have an "appearance" of Godliness, but would do things that are an abomination under God. Yes, the Soviet Empire was one of the most evil in history, but if the Bible is correct, we could be going down the road to becoming something even worse.

We can be a nation under God once more, but in order to do that, we must begin to practice what we preach, lest we become the beast which is against everything our forefathers, and the Bible, stand for. We must not become like the enemy. If we do, then Stalin, al Qaeda, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, and all other villians of history have won. The devil would also have won, but only until Christ returns, and we all take our turns to face him in abject shame.

Article is here.

 

[scottyz]

If you disagree, then just ask yourself "Would Jesus do what we are now doing"?

But we're just Tortur... I mean, interrogating them. Jesus would be ok with that. I mean they aren't Christians or white, so it doesn't really matter, right?

 

[Joby]

No, we're just becoming a police state.

clamp down a little more, give me free healthcare, a guaranteed job, and busses running all over my city and i'll be a soviet.

 

[RightinNYC]

You're right, they're totally the same.

I sat at the desk from which the monsters who ran Cheka (Soviet secret police) — Dzerzhinsky, Yagoda, Yezhov, Beria — ordered 30 million victims to their deaths.

 

[danarhea]

You're right, they're totally the same.

We havent gone that far, of course, but the methods we are using now are some of the same methods advocated by Stalin, and done by his henchmen.

Small steps + slippery slope = Stalinism.

And let me ask again - Would Jesus be OK with water torture?

 

[RightinNYC]

We havent gone that far, of course, but the methods we are using now are some of the same methods advocated by Stalin, and done by his henchmen.

Small steps + slippery slope = Stalinism.

From harshly interrogating terror suspects to murdering 30 million innocent civilians. That's a lot of small steps and a pretty damn greasy slope.

And let me ask again - Would Jesus be OK with water torture?

Since when did Jesus's hypothetical opinion have any bearing on what the US should do?

And even so, even if somehow we could divine what Jesus wanted, and if it were to matter, then if you want to play the "WWJBeOKwith" game, then there's a lot of other questions to address.

Would Jesus be okay with affirmative action?
Would Jesus be okay with abortion?
Would Jesus be okay with Euthanasia?
Would Jesus be okay with hate crime legislation?
Would Jesus be okay with Sex Ed?

etc etc ad nauseum.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

We havent gone that far, of course, but the methods we are using now are some of the same methods advocated by Stalin, and done by his henchmen.

Small steps + slippery slope = Stalinism.

And let me ask again - Would Jesus be OK with water torture?

reductio ad Stalinum

 

[danarhea]

From harshly interrogating terror suspects to murdering 30 million innocent civilians. That's a lot of small steps and a pretty damn greasy slope.



Since when did Jesus's hypothetical opinion have any bearing on what the US should do?

And even so, even if somehow we could divine what Jesus wanted, and if it were to matter, then if you want to play the "WWJBeOKwith" game, then there's a lot of other questions to address.

Would Jesus be okay with affirmative action?
Would Jesus be okay with abortion?
Would Jesus be okay with Euthanasia?
Would Jesus be okay with hate crime legislation?
Would Jesus be okay with Sex Ed?

etc etc ad nauseum.

Since when has the religious right not had any bearing on the direction of our government?

Either we are a nation under God or we arent. If we choose not to be, then we had better quit lying to ourselves, and take "Under God" out of the pledge of allegience.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Since when has the religious right not had any bearing on the direction of our government?

Either we are a nation under God or we arent. If we choose not to be, then we had better quit lying to ourselves, and take "Under God" out of the pledge of allegience.

It doesn't say one nation under Jesus Christ. And I believe that Jesus said: "render onto Caesar what is Caesar's and render onto God what is God's." IE he was a secularist. He, also, said "do onto others as they do onto you," so if you want to get technnical about it Jesus would have no problem what so ever torturing members of AQ.

 

[RightinNYC]

Since when has the religious right not had any bearing on the direction of our government?

Don't believe that's what I said. Of course a religious faction has sway in government, as they should. They're citizens too. But that doesn't mean that What (you as an individual hypothetically believe) Jesus Would Do should or does have any bearing on matters of policy.

Either we are a nation under God or we arent. If we choose not to be, then we had better quit lying to ourselves, and take "Under God" out of the pledge of allegience.

You don't see the difference between a ceremonial tradition without force of law and formulating policy based on an interpretation of one specific religious sect?

 

[danarhea]

Don't believe that's what I said. Of course a religious faction has sway in government, as they should. They're citizens too. But that doesn't mean that What (you as an individual hypothetically believe) Jesus Would Do should or does have any bearing on matters of policy.



You don't see the difference between a ceremonial tradition without force of law and formulating policy based on an interpretation of one specific religious sect?

What I see is sacreligious and hypocritical. If people truly believe in Jesus, as they say, then they know that Jesus said that there is a place in hell reserved for the hypocrites. Knowing that, you would think about how they should turn around their empty sanctimonius acting, and practice what they preach to others.

We can all tell others how to live, but in the end, we will all have to stand before God and give an accounting of our own lives, which we will ultimately be judged by - No exceptions.

 

[taxedout]

He, also, said "do onto others as they do onto you," so if you want to get technnical about it Jesus would have no problem what so ever torturing members of AQ.

Actually Jesus never said that.
The golden rule is not in the bible.
The golden rule : do onto others as you would have them do onto you

 

[danarhea]

Actually Jesus never said that.
The golden rule is not in the bible.
The golden rule : do onto others as you would have them do onto you

Exactly, and part of the apostacy of the church IS the people who take Christ's words out of context. They should read the last chapter of Revelations, which says what will happen to those who take away from God's word.

 

[taxedout]

I like to refere to it as being collectivized and not sovietized.
Luckily, the marxist collectivists have been battling the fabian collectivists for control nearly 90 years now. This has bought us some time, but how much I don't know.

GRADUALISM

PRAY DEVOUTLY, HAMMER STOUTLY

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Exactly, and part of the apostacy of the church IS the people who take Christ's words out of context. They should read the last chapter of Revelations, which says what will happen to those who take away from God's word.

What will the flying spaghetti monster come and get me? In case you haven't noticed by now I AM GOD! Jesus said: "render onto Caesar what is Caesar's render onto god what is god's." I'm Caesar and god so render onto me what is mine. :mrgreen:

 

[danarhea]

I like to refere to it as being collectivized and not sovietized.
Luckily, the marxist collectivists have been battling the fabian collectivists for control nearly 90 years now. This has bought us some time, but how much I don't know.

GRADUALISM

PRAY DEVOUTLY, HAMMER STOUTLY

In terms of tactics, the Fabian collectivists do not differ much from the Marxists. The Neocon movement in the US originated with Communists which supported Trotsky, since they felt that Stalin had betrayed Communism. Later on, they "disavowed" Communism, but many of its Machiavellian principles, such as the concept of "noble lies", are used to this day.

 

[taxedout]

The fabians and gradualism represent the collectivists of the west, the new world order boys. They desire is collectivism, like the marxists. Wrestling away the wealth and resources of the marxist collectivists and that of the west simultaneously has been their plan. They are attempting to cripple the west with the confiscatory tactics of inflationary monetary policy ,and globalism, and have continued to leach the resources of the marxists while allowing them to remain in power.

Their goal, domination of world resources, labor and monetary systems.

 

[danarhea]

The fabians and gradualism represent the collectivists of the west, the new world order boys. They desire is collectivism, like the marxists. Wrestling away the wealth and resources of the marxist collectivists and that of the west simultaneously has been their plan. They are attempting to cripple the west with the confiscatory tactics of inflationary monetary policy ,and globalism, and have continued to leach the resources of the marxists while allowing them to remain in power.

Their goal, domination of world resources, labor and monetary systems.

Known in the Bible as "The Beast".