U.S. attorney in Georgia: ‘There’s just nothing to’ claims of election fraud

[What if...?]

Can't name the "60" suits filed by Trump? Awwwwww

Derp! Ah kin git sumbuddy bah maykin it ownly wuns trump filded!

 

[Highlanders]

In the end, you just want to delight in your ignorance. There is a bunch of stuff out there in the world and if you need to feel like anything you don't understand, which is apparently quite a bit, is a conspiracy... go with that. However, all of us people who actually understand stuff are in on it so you can stop trying to convince us about it.

With respect, the tanks on the street, the 60,000 security forces, snipers, and the banishment of Americans from parts of American soil, should convince you, there is a serious problem. Me I'm only stating the easy remedy, from November, the employed statutory bodies in authority, in America, who are responsible to take the necessary step, but didn't, you my friend delight, in your own downfall, but hey, that's American exceptionalism, all over! Everything's all over, from now on, you will see, in every day life, instability...... social instability, but not just in the poverty stricken floatsom created by your corrupt systems, as you have now, the middle classes organising , undermining the political authority of the establishment.
I can sit back, and watch, your society fail, the murder of defenceless people of colour by police forces. I'm not saying all police are rotten, but you have enough neurotic unstable representatives in the police force and there own inability to resolve the training issues, or take to justice, the instability of political situation, the institutional corruption of young, it's a recipe for just retribution.
However robust the roman legions were, Rome collapsed, for exactly the same problems, you as a nation, are exhibiting today...... rotten to the core. The next two years are going to be frightening for all of us!

 

[Highlanders]

The actual proof you request would only be found in the investigation/audit to a necessary depth and degree that Trump was requesting. As I'm sure you know by now, he was not Constitutionally authorized to request that investigation/audit, only Congress in association with state legislatures are Constitutionally authorized to issue such investigation audits.

Again, your presenting disingenuously, as I would think you would know this by now.

You are absolutely correct, if the authorities had carried out there responsibilities correctly, this whole situation world never of happened, had they investigated or audited the process, as was there legal responsibility they would of opened a can of worms!
But hey, you get republicans or you get democrats, one set of the plutocracy, or the other set of the plutocracy, standing for election, hand picked, in financial circles, and vested interests, makes a mockery of democracy. One being more extreme that the other, neither beneficial to the masses. If they aren't hand picked, they don't stand! If they aren't allowed to suck the life's blood out of American people, the obstacle is removed.

No divisions..... honestly some people need there heads examined.

 

[Mashmont]

Last week Trump fired the US Attorney in Georgia because he hadn't found any election fraud. He sent a hand-picked lackey in his place. His lackey brought a couple of his own lackeys. They were going to find the fraud.

They were going to "stop the steal."

Surprise, surprise. They found nothing.

Christine said on the call with the Northern District staff that he brought the two election fraud prosecutors to tackle what he expected would be a “dump truck full” of election files. Instead, he found “very, very few” and dismissed two cases on his first day in office.​

"'We don’t have these huge colossal issues that if you turn on the TV, you’d think it’d be,' he said."​

Read all about it.

WaPo huh? They have a history of lying.

 

[roguenuke]

Trump is a malignant narcissist, true.

But there were many, many, many eyewitnesses and documents all over professional and social media that testify that there was election fraud, maybe massive election fraud.

Trump hating to lose was just great motivation for him to do all he could to get it exposed .. which was a good thing, as Americans don't want to think that there are no longer fair elections in their country, I would think .. unless, apparently, those Americans are unethical power-starved leftists.

There were a bunch of ignorant witnesses who had no clue what they were seeing but were already "programmed" that anything unusual or that they couldn't explain (regardless of their knowledge or intelligence levels) must indicate election fraud. The vast majority of the affidavits from these "eyewitnesses" were subjective, uninformed opinions. This has been proven.

The few left were from liars or those using wrong information or information wrong. We have several who claim to be experts but provide no actual relevant credentials to back up those claims (such as Ret Col Waldron, Russ Ramsland, and Ms. Carone). We have a Ret AF Lt Gen making claims about a raid in Germany (which has changed multiple times already) that are so wild they should not ever be believed and are conspiracy theory garbage.

Why 8 claims from Rudy Giuliani's Michigan witnesses don't add up

Dubious assertions about Michigan's election continued to fly this week during two committee hearings put on by the state lawmakers.

www.detroitnews.com

Backing Trump, Some Ex-Military Officers Spread Conspiracies, Urge Martial Law

The former military officers are strong supporters of the president and have backed some of the most outlandish election conspiracy theories and, for some, calls for martial law.

www.npr.org

Show exactly what you consider actual credible evidence of election fraud. Number of witness statements should not be your answer unless you want to admit that you haven't actually looked at them and will accept any claims that simply fit/match your base beliefs. Which exact witness or expert statements do you believe are the evidence of voter fraud?

 

[roguenuke]

Meaningless. Your analogy could be used as an argument against any eyewitness, such as, "you say you saw the accused attack the woman in that alley and drag her behind the trash can, but how do we know you saw what you said you saw -- heck, people declare they've "eyewitnessed" ghosts and aliens, but they don't exist".

The difference here is that ghosts and aliens have not been objectively verified by the eyewitness showing them to others. Thus such "sightings" are not considered credible.

But the many, many, many eyewitness accounts of election fraud were validated by others, including in the professional media, social media, and organizations like Veritas, for one.

Thus these eyewitness accounts are considered credible, obviously.

Eyewitness testimony is considered one of the weakest forms of evidence because people are highly flawed. That is a fact. In fact, convictions by eyewitness accusations alone are highly rare. You would need other evidence to collaborate their story, such as a victim and/or body, information regarding the person in question, evidence that they were in the area that day/night, lighting that would allow the "witness" to actually be able to see the person, distance between the witness and the accused, and so much more.

Eyewitness Memory Is a Lot More Reliable Than You Think

What law enforcement—and the public—needs to know

www.scientificamerican.com

Before you try to claim that the above proves me wrong, you should read it because it states straight up that eyewitness memory is reliable if safeguards are taken in the process to protect against malleability, which is hard to argue you or anyone else knows happened when pretty much every witness was a Trump or GOP supporter being told that there would be voter fraud (which is a form of manipulation).

Myth: Eyewitness Testimony is the Best Kind of Evidence

Activities in this unit reveal how eyewitness testimony is subject to unconscious memory distortions and biases even among the most confident of witnesses.

www.psychologicalscience.org

There is a reason that we have the phrase "no body, no crime" when it comes to claims that someone was killed. And it deals with eyewitnesses and people who were convicted of the death of their employer based on witness statements, executed, and then their employer (a nobleman or wealthy man in England a couple or few centuries ago) showed back up with a story about being abducted by pirates or someone else. The same "no body, no crime" standard should apply here. Those claiming that there was fraud should have to present evidence of fraud that is not "witnesses said this happened".

 

[roguenuke]

I'm afraid you're obviously projecting when it comes to declaring what's a fantasy.

There were many, many, many eyewitness accounts and documented references in both professional and social media last summer fall of definite election fraud, likely testifying to the fact that the fraud might have been massive.

The court admissible evidence could only be derived by the investigation/audit Trump wanted .. which he was Constitutionally unauthorized to litigate for.

These are the facts. I know, hard for leftists to swallow. But, they remain the facts nevertheless.

Again, your argument is quantity of witness statements without any regard for quality of witness statements. That is a huge flaw in any reasoning. State exactly which witnesses or documents indicate voter fraud so that those specific ones can be examined.

 

[Paradoxical]

Derp! Ah kin git sumbuddy bah maykin it ownly wuns trump filded!

A simple NO would have sufficed.

By the way, is calling someone a derp reportable? What if I reported you?

 

[bubbabgone]

You did not even read it which is the reason why you still have not been able to come with any counter artument and you simply mumbled the unsupported claim that I am comparing apples to oranges.

You are.

@ Lursa
I noticed it.
He posted Alito's statement which only two other judges joined and tried to isolate one quote from that statement to speculate that 4 judges shared the view that the PA decision was unconstitutional. And after all this time, he revealed his level of misinformation about the PA case when he tried to argue that it was the PA Supreme Curt which made the decision to extend the deadline of mail in ballots.
He did not realize that the state supreme court simply sided with the PA Secretary of State and the Democratic executive branch and did not make a decision contrary to what they sought.

You and Lursa ... perfect together. Too funny.
I see you're still confused about the USSC view of State legislatures and election law. Take a look at the Wisconsin decision.

I am not thinking of the GA case. Read who was sued in PA and for what reason !

Judge Bars Pennsylvania State Secretary From Extending Deadline To 'Cure' Certain Mail-In Ballots

A commonwealth court judge barred Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar from extending the deadline by three days to have more time to "cure" certain mail-in ballots.

pittsburgh.cbslocal.com

Same person in the SCOTUS case where you tried to quote Alito

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-542_i3dj.pdf

The fact that the legislatures often let the executive branch take unilaterally emergency actions applies in many different areas from immigration laws to election or national security related laws, so you need to be more sophisticated with your thinking. And before talking about misinformation make sure that you are actually aware of what you are talking about.

It was the PA Supreme Court that was addressed by the USSC.
Simple questions ....
Did the PA legislature allow the executive branch to change election law?
Is anyone other than a State Legislature Constitutionally permitted to make or change Federal election laws?

heh heh. You and Lursa! I'm still laughing.

 

[GolfingChef]

The usurper and those that sold out the American republic, changed America today, and for ever more!

Finally you got something right. Trump and is worshipers did indeed change America

 

[jpn]

WaPo huh? They have a history of lying.

Spoken like a reliable troll-bot.

 

[LouC]

The actual proof you request would only be found in the investigation/audit to a necessary depth and degree that Trump was requesting. As I'm sure you know by now, he was not Constitutionally authorized to request that investigation/audit, only Congress in association with state legislatures are Constitutionally authorized to issue such investigation audits.

Again, your presenting disingenuously, as I would think you would know this by now.

Prove it.

 

[What if...?]

A simple NO would have sufficed.

By the way, is calling someone a derp reportable? What if I reported you?

Derp is not a name. It's a sound

 

[zyzygy]

Derp is not a name. It's a sound

You descend to his level and he complains!

 

[mike2810]

You are absolutely correct, if the authorities had carried out there responsibilities correctly, this whole situation world never of happened, had they investigated or audited the process, as was there legal responsibility they would of opened a can of worms!
But hey, you get republicans or you get democrats, one set of the plutocracy, or the other set of the plutocracy, standing for election, hand picked, in financial circles, and vested interests, makes a mockery of democracy. One being more extreme that the other, neither beneficial to the masses. If they aren't hand picked, they don't stand! If they aren't allowed to suck the life's blood out of American people, the obstacle is removed.

No divisions..... honestly some people need there heads examined.

imo, authorities carried out there responsibilities to correctly. AZ did its audits and checks. The election was certified. If you are saying the 2020 election needs further review. Then the 2016 and other elections need to be looked at along with other past elections. Those saying Arizona election was rigged or had massive fraud are not talking from the facts.

Your stance of "if the authorities had carried out there responsibilities correctly" is the same stance that AE911T continues to promote regarding the collapse of the towers on 9/11.

How many audits, recounts do you need to be satisfied? (I bet the answer is they need to be done till Trump is shown to be the winner).
Time to move on. Trump lost.

 

[pamak]

You are.

You and Lursa ... perfect together. Too funny.
I see you're still confused about the USSC view of State legislatures and election law. Take a look at the Wisconsin decision.

It was the PA Supreme Court that was addressed by the USSC.
Simple questions ....
Did the PA legislature allow the executive branch to change election law?
Is anyone other than a State Legislature Constitutionally permitted to make or change Federal election laws?

heh heh. You and Lursa! I'm still laughing.

Sorry, but each case is different because each legislature has passed different laws. So, stop bringing WI case to discuss the PA case
You still do not understand that the PA Supreme Court simply issued a decision to extend the deadline that conformed to the PA executive branch's wish.
In oder to answer the question you ask, you need to see all the related laws that are linked to the PA's executive branch power during an emergency. This is why I told you that your thinking is very simplistic. You just made claims and you speculate about how judges see the PA case without support and despite the fact that only two other judges joined Alito's statement.

 

[SimpleTom]

With respect, the tanks on the street, the 60,000 security forces, snipers, and the banishment of Americans from parts of American soil, should convince you, there is a serious problem.

The National Guard has been deployed by the Federal government 13 times in the last 60 years in response to national unrest. The significance and seriousness of this particular deployment is something that will eventually become clear. In each of those deployments someone cried about the seriousness of the problem and this being the end of America as we know it. Maybe it was and this is just that end, but I suspect that people just pretend to have greater insight than they actually do.

Me I'm only stating the easy remedy, from November, the employed statutory bodies in authority, in America, who are responsible to take the necessary step, but didn't, you my friend delight, in your own downfall, but hey, that's American exceptionalism, all over! Everything's all over, from now on, you will see, in every day life, instability...... social instability, but not just in the poverty stricken floatsom created by your corrupt systems, as you have now, the middle classes organising , undermining the political authority of the establishment.

No you are not. In fact, you are stating the statutory bodies in authority are corrupted and that we should implement new statutory bodies because you didn't like the investigation of the existing statutory bodies. You are quite literally advocating for the creation of Kangaroo courts while decrying the death of Democracy. The irony is pretty thick.

Furthermore this has nothing to do with American exceptionalism. Absolutely nothing. I have dual citizenship, my wife and kids were all born in the U.K. and I have spent 40% of my adult life outside the U.S. American isn't a significant part of my identity. However, accountant is a significant part of my identity, as is auditor and fraud examiner . So, again with the irony, as you attempt to assert your belief supersedes my expertise while preaching about exceptionalism.

I can sit back, and watch, your society fail, the murder of defenceless people of colour by police forces. I'm not saying all police are rotten, but you have enough neurotic unstable representatives in the police force and there own inability to resolve the training issues, or take to justice, the instability of political situation, the institutional corruption of young, it's a recipe for just retribution.
However robust the roman legions were, Rome collapsed, for exactly the same problems, you as a nation, are exhibiting today...... rotten to the core. The next two years are going to be frightening for all of us!

Blah Blah Blah... When losing a debate pull out the great decline of civilization and pretend you have insights no one else has.

 

[uptower]

Can't name the "60" suits filed by Trump? Awwwwww

Jesus haven't popped my head in this thread for a while - are you still playing that tired game?

Why don't you tell us exactly how many were filed by the Trump campaign and lost. A dozen? Two? Three even? Even if it's a half, a third or a quarter of that figure it's still a yuuge loss for Trump and it still means he lost the election and couldn't pwove fraud.

It doesn't matter if the same number again were filed by "other" supporters: they still all lost too - his and theirs - and all for the same reasons: improper filing, lack of evidence, late to court and lack of evidence and even more lack of evidence.

And now he's licking his wounds and crying into a bucket of chicken at Mar-a-largo.

 

[Highlanders]

imo, authorities carried out there responsibilities to correctly. AZ did its audits and checks. The election was certified. If you are saying the 2020 election needs further review. Then the 2016 and other elections need to be looked at along with other past elections. Those saying Arizona election was rigged or had massive fraud are not talking from the facts.

Your stance of "if the authorities had carried out there responsibilities correctly" is the same stance that AE911T continues to promote regarding the collapse of the towers on 9/11.

How many audits, recounts do you need to be satisfied? (I bet the answer is they need to be done till Trump is shown to be the winner).
Time to move on. Trump lost.

Just one judge lead investigation without terms of reference.
As was requested, by the president, you know, the one who his officers of state admitted, they lied to him, just like so many other officers of state!
But it doesn't concern me, I'm not interested, if you destroy each other, other sovereign nations are getting the peace and harmony usually destroyed by the American military. Knock your selves out!

 

[mike2810]

Just one judge lead investigation without terms of reference.
As was requested, by the president, you know, the one who his officers of state admitted, they lied to him, just like so many other officers of state!
But it doesn't concern me, I'm not interested, if you destroy each other, other sovereign nations are getting the peace and harmony usually destroyed by the American military. Knock your selves out!

sigh.
Have not a clue what you rambled about.
You do realize that those responsible for the election conducted checks, audits and reviews of the equipment and processes according the State and Federal Laws.
Has nothing to do with court cases.

 

[Highlanders]

The National Guard has been deployed by the Federal government 13 times in the last 60 years in response to national unrest. The significance and seriousness of this particular deployment is something that will eventually become clear. In each of those deployments someone cried about the seriousness of the problem and this being the end of America as we know it. Maybe it was and this is just that end, but I suspect that people just pretend to have greater insight than they actually do.

No you are not. In fact, you are stating the statutory bodies in authority are corrupted and that we should implement new statutory bodies because you didn't like the investigation of the existing statutory bodies. You are quite literally advocating for the creation of Kangaroo courts while decrying the death of Democracy. The irony is pretty thick.

Furthermore this has nothing to do with American exceptionalism. Absolutely nothing. I have dual citizenship, my wife and kids were all born in the U.K. and I have spent 40% of my adult life outside the U.S. American isn't a significant part of my identity. However, accountant is a significant part of my identity, as is auditor and fraud examiner . So, again with the irony, as you attempt to assert your belief supersedes my expertise while preaching about exceptionalism.

Blah Blah Blah... When losing a debate pull out the great decline of civilization and pretend you have insights no one else has.

Hide behind a fantasy..... and it should be "an accountant", such a simple but telling mistake.
If one want to look for state corruption, one only needs to look at the Reagan war on drugs, akin to the probation era, rampant corruption so individual can rape the masses! In this case corrupt the American kids, especially the coloured ones. But then we have Oliver North, state sponsored drug runner, gun runner, caught! But then we could look at sacred calf, that which cannot be talked about, unless you are marginalised, threatened intimidated, unemployable, all for a cult!
Insights, I have none, just an open outlook and no shepherd necessary, as I'm no sheep!
Expertise, my arse, those Accountants that I know, who do the investigating, of fraud and auditing of banks are usually Q.C.s. So I too know a very little in this area, and I know who which bank laundered the £10.5 million bLair bragged about, proceeds of crime bust. One days interest!
Blah.... bloody blah!

 

[Ontologuy]

Well, yes he did. 58 judges (many Trump appointed), 3 state supreme courts, the SCOTUS (with 3 justices hand picked by Trump), the DOJ, the AG, DHS, the Repub parties from multiple states and life long Repubs whom were seen as Trump loyalist on Nov 4th all said he lost fair and square.

But, as we all know, none of them are qualified to know that! Some of them simply made that statement for the sake of their political careers in the face of the cheating leftist Dems now running the show, and some said that in capitulation or codependent "peace making".

The facts remain, that there were many, many, many eyewitness documented accounts in both the professional and social media, and the only way to prove anything one way or the other is to conduct the investigations/audits to the necessary degree of every ballot in every relevant swing state where the documented eyewitness accounts of voter fraud definitely suggest the likelihood of massive fraud.

 

[Ontologuy]

Terms like "structural"/"institutional"/"systemic" can roll easily off the tongue when you don't think of what they mean before you say them.
That can happen when you hear them often enough and you want so much to belong.

Yep .. and it can also be the excuse one clings to when they find that they struggle to survive or succeed because of their own inability that has nothing whatsoever to do with racism of any kind.

 

[GolfingChef]

But, as we all know, none of them are qualified to know that!

Actually, all of them are qualified to do so and are the correct people to be doing it.

The facts remain, that there were many, many, many eyewitness documented accounts in both the professional and social media, and the only way to prove anything one way or the other is to conduct the investigations/audits to the necessary degree of every ballot in every relevant swing state where the documented eyewitness accounts of voter fraud definitely suggest the likelihood of massive fraud.

Proving once again you do not really care about fraud, but only being able to say that Trump won. As long as you keep talking about only the swing states, you motivation is clear.

 

[Ontologuy]

Yes, and neither does fraud on the level to steal the election from Trump. I am glad we got that worked out. Oh, and the faked moon landing and the flat earth folks have a shit ton more "evidence" than the "election was stolen" folks.

Now you've just succumbed to the ludicrously absurd, have abandoned the facts, and have thus lost the debate.