U.S. Ambassador To Netherlands Accused of 'Interference' With Dutch Elections

[Lord Tammerlain]

Oh look, another tankie. Why am I not surprised.

So, in short, you think China should continue its attempts to wipe out the Uigher culture and roll in the tanks to crush pro democracy protesters because....reasons.

It is not Uighur culture that China is not trying to rid of but stop radical Islam from becoming predominant in the area. Uighur have typically been moderate Muslims but in the last 20 years radical Sunni Islam has grown. Radical Islam will destroy Uighur culture faster than China ever would

 

[Tigerace117]

It is not Uighur culture that China is not trying to rid of but stop radical Islam from becoming predominant in the area. Uighur have typically been moderate Muslims but in the last 20 years radical Sunni Islam has grown. Radical Islam will destroy Uighur culture faster than China ever would

Lol that’s a load of crap. China has been systematically rounding up large numbers of people with no association to any extremist movement for “re-education”.

Your hypothetical is meaningless because the CCP is trying to wipe out the Uigher culture....right now.

 

[Godric1970]

Your entire premise, again, has no basis in fact. There is no reason the CIA would cover up an Iranian attack. None. And Libya formally admitted responsibility for the attack years ago, which they certainly wouldn’t have done if they didn’t do it.

In short, it’s another case of desperate trying to appease your own hatreds by whining about the victims.

Libya admitted it to get itself free from sanctions that was one of the clauses or have you forgotten .... sanctions were crippling the Libyan economy

 

[Tigerace117]

Libya admitted it to get itself free from sanctions that was one of the clauses or have you forgotten .... sanctions were crippling the Libyan economy

Libya was being sanctioned for sponsoring and ordering numerous terrorist attacks....like the Lockerbie Bombing.

That’s the fact.

 

[Jack Hays]

Looks like there's not much to this. Something the embassy has done for several other parties.

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[Snazzy]

Yes, they really are a pesky minority and China should be smacking them down in the interests of their billion and a half people whose welfare comes first. And while I'm here, China should stop playing around with H.K. and do the same. After all, in both cases it's attrubutable to US interference in China's affairs.

As to America relating to this? America has to quickly learn how to deal with the 1% that is stealing the wealth of the country and causing all the political unrest that's coming down now. The solution isn't in either Trump or Biden, it's in dumping the US establishment ripoff of the people and beginning to learn about 'socially' responsible capitalism instead of 'corrupt' capitalism controlled by the very wealthy.

China has started to solve their problem with use of their communist system. America is avoiding even facing the problem by allowing Trump to turn the country into a fascist state.

Such twaddle!

And who else should China be "smacking down" in the interest of the larger population - where does it end?

They certainly don't have the larger populations interests at heart, if you bare in mind that over 16 million people are still living below China's national poverty line. Their efforts would be best spent taking care of those, instead of trying to brutally wipe out the Uyghur's.

 

[Snazzy]

It is not Uighur culture that China is not trying to rid of but stop radical Islam from becoming predominant in the area. Uighur have typically been moderate Muslims but in the last 20 years radical Sunni Islam has grown. Radical Islam will destroy Uighur culture faster than China ever would

What about Tibet, were they a threat?

 

[Godric1970]

Libya was being sanctioned for sponsoring and ordering numerous terrorist attacks....like the Lockerbie Bombing.

That’s the fact.

wrong not fact the evidence against Libya was provided by the corrupt and disgraced CIA .... if Libya and Megrahi was guilty why did the CIA rely on it's paid CIA informants to get him convicted ... simply because they never had a real case in the first place just like the info that the CIA gave Germany etc on Russian bounties reported by European countries as more hearsay from the CIA hence zero credibility

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

What about Tibet, were they a threat?

What about Tibet?

Tibet culture still exists, they still practice their religion

 

[Tigerace117]

wrong not fact the evidence against Libya was provided by the corrupt and disgraced CIA .... if Libya and Megrahi was guilty why did the CIA rely on it's paid CIA informants to get him convicted ... simply because they never had a real case in the first place just like the info that the CIA gave Germany etc on Russian bounties reported by European countries as more hearsay from the CIA hence zero credibility

Again.....the CIA has zero reason to cover up an Iranian terrorist attack. None. Your entire premise is based on knee jerk anti Americanism, nothing else. If the Libyan government wasn’t behind the attacks they wouldn’t have admitted responsibility. And coming from the guy who claimed that he’d “love a war with America” with “no prisoners taken” your fantasies are particularly laughable.

 

[Montgomery]

Such twaddle!

And who else should China be "smacking down" in the interest of the larger population - where does it end?

They certainly don't have the larger populations interests at heart, if you bare in mind that over 16 million people are still living below China's national poverty line. Their efforts would be best spent taking care of those, instead of trying to brutally wipe out the Uyghur's.

China 'IS' taking care of it's people. It's not a debatable fact that they have elevated hundreds of millions of their people up out of poverty.

And fwiw, China has move to within 4 places of the US on quality of life.
Canada 1st.
US 15th.
China 19th.

European democracies fill the rest of the top ten places.
If Americans don't stand up and demand a fix, China could pass the US in the next few years! If ya'all would stop trying to wave your flag for a few minutes you would be able to accept the hard truth.

 

[Tigerace117]

China 'IS' taking care of it's people. It's not a debatable fact that they have elevated hundreds of millions of their people up out of poverty.

And fwiw, China has move to within 4 places of the US on quality of life.
Canada 1st.
US 15th.
China 19th.

European democracies fill the rest of the top ten places.
If Americans don't stand up and demand a fix, China could pass the US in the next few years! If ya'all would stop trying to wave your flag for a few minutes you would be able to accept the hard truth.

It‘s not debatable that the CCP has murdered tens of millions of its own people over the years, or that they invaded and conquered Tibet in an actual war or aggression, or that they are trying to totally wipe out Uigher culture, or that they continue to threat Taiwan, a democracy, with invasion.

 

[Montgomery]

It‘s not debatable that the CCP has murdered tens of millions of its own people over the years, or that they invaded and conquered Tibet in an actual war or aggression, or that they are trying to totally wipe out Uigher culture, or that they continue to threat Taiwan, a democracy, with invasion.

Yeah, some of which is true but 'so what'? It doesn't make that which I've said untrue. And my point still stands that China is doing what needs to be done in the interests of the billion and a half people. Tibet's political interference as well as the Uiger interference will be crushed out of necessity. As will US supported interference in H.K.

And also something to consider is the fact that China is being seen by the world as a peaceful nation that is rising to power by peaceful means. As opposed by the US as attempting to conquer the world by military means.

America's way can't work anymore and M.A.D. says so!

 

[Tigerace117]

Yeah, some of which is true but 'so what'? It doesn't make that which I've said untrue. And my point still stands that China is doing what needs to be done in the interests of the billion and a half people. Tibet's political interference as well as the Uiger interference will be crushed out of necessity. As will US supported interference in H.K.

And also something to consider is the fact that China is being seen by the world as a peaceful nation that is rising to power by peaceful means. As opposed by the US as attempting to conquer the world by military means.

America's way can't work anymore and M.A.D. says so!

Uh.....all of it is true, and you responding to the long list of atrocities with “so what“ is pretty pathetic. How is starving people to death, or crushing protests calling for the people of China to actually have a say in their government, in any way “in the interest of the Chinese people”?

What “Tibetan political interference“? Tibet was throughly isolationist was just minding its own business when the CPC launched its brutal, unprovoked invasion of the country. There’s no “Uigher political interference“ either, unless you consider people daring to practice their own religion and having a culture distinct from the CPC‘s mandates is ”interference“. Its hilarious that you think people protesting for democracy because China thoroughly violated the agreement it committed itself to is “US interference“ but hey, tankies gonna tankie I guess.



Lol maybe tankies in Canada think China is a “peaceful nation” but its neighbors certainly don’t. China‘s aggression in the South China Sea and against Taiwan, its border clashes with India, its propping up of North Korea.....”wolf warrior“ diplomacy has been a flop.

Uh....since when did the US “try to conquer the world“?

 

[swing_voter]

Uh.....all of it is true, and you responding to the long list of atrocities with “so what“ is pretty pathetic. How is starving people to death, or crushing protests calling for the people of China to actually have a say in their government, in any way “in the interest of the Chinese people”?

What “Tibetan political interference“? Tibet was throughly isolationist was just minding its own business when the CPC launched its brutal, unprovoked invasion of the country. There’s no “Uigher political interference“ either, unless you consider people daring to practice their own religion and having a culture distinct from the CPC‘s mandates is ”interference“. Its hilarious that you think people protesting for democracy because China thoroughly violated the agreement it committed itself to is “US interference“ but hey, tankies gonna tankie I guess.



Lol maybe tankies in Canada think China is a “peaceful nation” but its neighbors certainly don’t. China‘s aggression in the South China Sea and against Taiwan, its border clashes with India, its propping up of North Korea.....”wolf warrior“ diplomacy has been a flop.

Uh....since when did the US “try to conquer the world“?

Half of Canada is Chinese at the moment.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Half of Canada is Chinese at the moment.

Not quite
Perhaps 4 % of Canada’s population is ethnic Chinese. In the major cities except Montreal I expect the number is much higher. Vancouver would be around 25% and Calgary around 10%.

Ten years ago in Calgary the split would have been around 50/50 for Cantonese vs Mandarin speaking. But now it would be much higher for mandarin speaking

 

[Godric1970]

Again.....the CIA has zero reason to cover up an Iranian terrorist attack. None. Your entire premise is based on knee jerk anti Americanism, nothing else. If the Libyan government wasn’t behind the attacks they wouldn’t have admitted responsibility. And coming from the guy who claimed that he’d “love a war with America” with “no prisoners taken” your fantasies are particularly laughable.

i'll ask you this again when was the next airliner to have been blown up after Pan Am flight over Lockerbie ?? Iran/Persia has a long standing belief of a eye for a eye ... the Ayatollah vowed they would bring down a US airliner in revenge for flight 655 .... the Ayatollahs don't make threats unless they intend to back them up with action ... if America had attacked Iran .... Iran would have attacked Israel via Lebanon, Gaza strip and the West Bank as well as target more US targets around the globe ie embassies and more airliners .... we knew instantly it was Iran as America told the UK the consequences of attacking Iran .... that is why Trump called off his bombing of Iran and why he allowed Iran to retaliate for the death of general Qasem Soleimani without a response

 

[Tigerace117]

i'll ask you this again when was the next airliner to have been blown up after Pan Am flight over Lockerbie ?? Iran/Persia has a long standing belief of a eye for a eye ... the Ayatollah vowed they would bring down a US airliner in revenge for flight 655 .... the Ayatollahs don't make threats unless they intend to back them up with action ... if America had attacked Iran .... Iran would have attacked Israel via Lebanon, Gaza strip and the West Bank as well as target more US targets around the globe ie embassies and more airliners .... we knew instantly it was Iran as America told the UK the consequences of attacking Iran .... that is why Trump called off his bombing of Iran and why he allowed Iran to retaliate for the death of general Qasem Soleimani without a response

Lol if they actually believed in “an eye for an eye” then they’d have no room to whine about Soleimani’s death considering his role in the killing of US troops in Iraq.

The Ayatollahs have vowed a lot of things. But no matter how many South American Jewish cultural centers they have bombed, Israel is still around.

You babbling about what you think Iran would have tried today doesn’t change the fact that there is absolutely no reason why the CIA would cover up a terrorist attack for them.

Iran’s “retaliation” was blowing a whole bunch of their own people out of the sky.

 

[Montgomery]

i'll ask you this again when was the next airliner to have been blown up after Pan Am flight over Lockerbie ?? Iran/Persia has a long standing belief of a eye for a eye ... the Ayatollah vowed they would bring down a US airliner in revenge for flight 655 .... the Ayatollahs don't make threats unless they intend to back them up with action ... if America had attacked Iran .... Iran would have attacked Israel via Lebanon, Gaza strip and the West Bank as well as target more US targets around the globe ie embassies and more airliners .... we knew instantly it was Iran as America told the UK the consequences of attacking Iran .... that is why Trump called off his bombing of Iran and why he allowed Iran to retaliate for the death of general Qasem Soleimani without a response

Good thinking Godric, I'll be keeping an eye on what you have to say.
I'll just add to that: Iran is safe from US aggression now because both Russia and China have interests there. And too, it looks like the US isn't going to get the support for the war the US has been so anxious to get because the EU is standing firm. The nuke deal was working too well for the US.

Do you wonder if Trump was really behind the pulling out of the deal or was he just instructed that he had to pull the US out. It seems out of character for Trump even though a portion of his lowlife base would love him for it.

 

[bluesmoke]

Far right in the Netherlands and far right in America are two different things.

Allende was a communist, who would've killed thousands.

Pinoche, who America backed, was anti-communist and he killed thousands.


The Cold War has been over for over 30 years now.

What is the same is that the RW in both the Netherlands and America opposes the LW and they are, undeniably, RW.

How do you know Allende “would have” killed thousands? At least you know Pinochet did kill thousands with the help of a coup d'état of Allende that happened because of help from the CIA. Allende was LW, Pinochet was RW. Pinochet persecuted leftists, socialists, and political critics.

Now that the Cold War has been over for over 30 yrs, things are so much better. Russia is no longer a threat to democracy, having helped elect a POTUS who defends their leader at every turn.

 

[bluesmoke]

Ukraine and Libya were both under Obama's watch and the anti Venezuela stance also started under his watch Trump only carried it on to a further level

Your reply is incongruous. What does what you say have to do with Trump's embrace of anti-democracy and autocratic leadership? What can you say to refute what I stated?

 

[Godric1970]

Good thinking Godric, I'll be keeping an eye on what you have to say.
I'll just add to that: Iran is safe from US aggression now because both Russia and China have interests there. And too, it looks like the US isn't going to get the support for the war the US has been so anxious to get because the EU is standing firm. The nuke deal was working too well for the US.

Do you wonder if Trump was really behind the pulling out of the deal or was he just instructed that he had to pull the US out. It seems out of character for Trump even though a portion of his lowlife base would love him for it.

The CIA are damaged goods as is their entire intelligence apparatus those so called intelligence files about Russia giving bounties to the Taliban were also given to EU nations with troops in Afghanistan .... they were thrown in the bin because there was no evidence just hearsay from the CIA ... even Canada got the same intelligence report from the CIA .... what has been the response of Canada ... Nadda ... The entire US intelligence service has no credibility in Europe since the reports/evidence from Edward Snowden
The pulling out of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action JCPOA by America/Trump was down to pressure from the all powerful Jewish lobby in America at the bequest of Netanyahu

Your reply is incongruous. What does what you say have to do with Trump's embrace of anti-democracy and autocratic leadership? What can you say to refute what I stated?

what is the topic of my thread American interference in the Netherland's elections ... under Obama America interfered not just in Libya and Syria (he over stepped his UN mandate in Libya he also had the US/CIA trained Jihadis moved to Syria to topple Assad) he interfered in Ukraine by toppling the democratic president of Ukraine, he also interfered in the Scottish independence referendum in 2014 (we will still be leaving the UK soon) ... in short it doesn't matter who the president of America is ... America will still interfere in other countries elections and overthrow or attempt to throw governments that don't do as America says ... as the UN assembly voted earlier this month you are the worlds rogue Nation

 

[Montgomery]

The CIA are damaged goods as is their entire intelligence apparatus those so called intelligence files about Russia giving bounties to the Taliban were also given to EU nations with troops in Afghanistan .... they were thrown in the bin because there was no evidence just hearsay from the CIA ... even Canada got the same intelligence report from the CIA .... what has been the response of Canada ... Nadda ... The entire US intelligence service has no credibility in Europe since the reports/evidence from Edward Snowden
The pulling out of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action JCPOA by America/Trump was down to pressure from the all powerful Jewish lobby in America at the bequest of Netanyahu

IMO the thing with Russia bounties was nothing more than Dem party politics. The obvious truth is that both Russia and America are continuously involved in paying bounties (of some sort) to have the other side's troops eliminated.

I hear you on your theory of the Jewish lobby forcing the pullout of the 5+1 deal. It's quite rational to think so but still requres a closer look. America does what's good for itself first and the deal was holding up America's progress on taking back Iran. Don't forget that the Jew apartheid regime is still only a tool of US aggression in the ME.

Maybe it's something we can discuss in detail on a higher level than the customary bullshit on this forum?

 

[Godric1970]

IMO the thing with Russia bounties was nothing more than Dem party politics. The obvious truth is that both Russia and America are continuously involved in paying bounties (of some sort) to have the other side's troops eliminated.

I hear you on your theory of the Jewish lobby forcing the pullout of the 5+1 deal. It's quite rational to think so but still requres a closer look. America does what's good for itself first and the deal was holding up America's progress on taking back Iran. Don't forget that the Jew apartheid regime is still only a tool of US aggression in the ME.

Maybe it's something we can discuss in detail on a higher level than the customary bullshit on this forum?

the thing is the Russians really hate the Taliban more than they do Americans an 11 year war that was brutal where Soviet/Russian troops captured were executed at the same time flooding Russia and the rest of the Soviet states with narcotics America openly armed the Taliban .... Russia's beef stems from 2011 from America over stepping it's UN mandate ... Russia and China only allowed a intervention under tights rules of engagement

 

[Tigerace117]

IMO the thing with Russia bounties was nothing more than Dem party politics. The obvious truth is that both Russia and America are continuously involved in paying bounties (of some sort) to have the other side's troops eliminated.

I hear you on your theory of the Jewish lobby forcing the pullout of the 5+1 deal. It's quite rational to think so but still requres a closer look. America does what's good for itself first and the deal was holding up America's progress on taking back Iran. Don't forget that the Jew apartheid regime is still only a tool of US aggression in the ME.

Maybe it's something we can discuss in detail on a higher level than the customary bullshit on this forum?

“The Jew apartheid regime”.

Way to expose yourself buddy.