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Turkey got the military bases in Moscow´s Soft underbelly , Great News !!

Litwin said:
I thought that Moscow learned its lesson in 1917/1991, but they don't ...they are still playing imperial games with 1% of the world GDP )))

www.nytimes.com

Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says (Published 2020)

The Trump administration has been deliberating for months about what to do about a stunning intelligence assessment.
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So what does all that crap have to do with the price of tea in China?????

Russia offered the bounty TO the Taliban, not against them. They are just stirring the pot without climbing in...again. The Taliban doesn't want a Russian 'solution' any more than an American one.... ✌️
 
Nilhus said:
Solely when trolling instead of debating.
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Given that you tried to claim the Northern Alliance were the “pro Soviet Afghan remnants”—-a blatantly, almost laughably false claim— you don’t have room to talk.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Given that you tried to claim the Northern Alliance were the “pro Soviet Afghan remnants”—-a blatantly, almost laughably false claim— you don’t have room to talk.
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The Northern Alliance fought a defensive war against the Taliban government.[1] They received support from Iran, Russia, Turkey, India, Tajikistan and others,[4] while the Taliban were backed, weaponized & trained by Pakistan Army.

Who are the allies of the US here?
 
Nilhus said:
Beyond wrong! Quite the opposite! The "Norther Alliance" were the "remnants" of the pro-Soviet Afghans! ;) It's precisely this group that the US fought against using Islamist radicals that it trained, armed and financed with the help of Pakistan!
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You are spinning tales so far from the truth that they are not even close to reality. In fact, what you are saying is so far from reality I can not even see truth in it. In other words, you are simply making it all up.

You know that the Mujahedeen were just a name thrown on all that fought the Soviets, right? The US supported the Moderate Afghans, such as Ahmad Shah Massoud. The ISI supported many groups, most secular but others radical. The Arabs mostly funded the groups that became known as the "Arab Mujahedeen", who were radicalized and Fundamentalist. This is one of the groups that Osama Bin Laden joined. The Afghans largely dismissed those, seeing them as just mercenaries and not true "Freedom Fighters".

And yes, the ISI did indeed fund a great many groups, mostly because afterwards they did not want a single large group taking charge of Afghanistan. So they spread their support over a large number of groups. When the US became actively involved and started to send increasing aid to a handful of Mujahedeen leaders they thought they could work with after the Soviets left. Most of these groups did not actually have a name, they all used the Mujahedeen name, and mostly identified as the group of their commander. One of them was Ahmad Shah Massoud. Who we started to funnel aid through, and became our point man in Afghanistan during and after the war.

The same Ahmad Shah Massoud who became highly placed in the Afghan government.

And to give an idea how wrong you are, one of the major groups in the Afghan Civil War was the Hezbe Wahdat, supported throughout the war by the ISI. They were destroyed shortly after in the civil war by the Taliban. Then the Ittihad-i Islami, which was funded almost entirely though other Arab states. This was a group made mostly of Arab fighters, and quickly became allied with the Taliban.

But notice, those are all groups that refused to work with the secular government. The majority of the groups did, and with Ahmad Shah Massoud as their Minister of Defense, he actually had a formidable Army at the start. But as the civil war expanded and the government broke down, the government collapsed and Massoud took to the hills with his remaining army and formed the Northern Alliance.

You are simply making up a tale, and thinking that nobody would know enough to spot that it is entirely fantasy. But if you want to know some of the real history and groups, look up Massoud. There has been a lot about him written in the past several decades. But do not just make things up, others like myself will spot it and tear it apart.
 
Fledermaus said:
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Notice the timeline. That was during the Afghan Civil War.

This fool does not even realize that started in 1989, after the Soviets pulled out. In fact, he is talking about the Second Afghan Civil War, because that started in 1992, and the Taliban did not even exist until 1994. And notice, he clearly states "Russia". Not the Soviet Union, but Russia.

He does not even realize that he is talking about a point of time over 5 years after the Soviets left, and their country ceased to exist. By the time the Taliban was formed, there was no more "Soviet Union".

This guy is as out of touch with reality as Litwin is, seeing Russia and the Soviets as interchangeable and the same thing. And apparently it does not matter what point in time something happens, it is all exactly the same in his mind.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Notice the timeline. That was during the Afghan Civil War.

This fool does not even realize that started in 1989, after the Soviets pulled out. In fact, he is talking about the Second Afghan Civil War, because that started in 1992, and the Taliban did not even exist until 1994. And notice, he clearly states "Russia". Not the Soviet Union, but Russia.

He does not even realize that he is talking about a point of time over 5 years after the Soviets left, and their country ceased to exist. By the time the Taliban was formed, there was no more "Soviet Union".

This guy is as out of touch with reality as Litwin is, seeing Russia and the Soviets as interchangeable and the same thing. And apparently it does not matter what point in time something happens, it is all exactly the same in his mind.
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The whole timeline and players involved tend to confuse people.

"Ya can't tell the players without a scorecard!"

It is much easier to just spout off the CIA armed Osama or that the Taliban is really ISIS or Mujaheddin, etc.
 
Tigerace117 said:
By the United States, for starters.
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I am 100% sure, Taliban will follow our red lines, they are not idiots, they will attack only our foes Muscovites, Hans, despots of CA, etc.
 
Litwin said:
I am 100% sure, Taliban will follow our red lines, they are not idiots, they will attack only our foes Muscovites, Hans, despots of CA, etc.
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😂

Yeah, the people who’ve been shooting at Americans for twenty years are TOTALLY going to listen to us. Riiiiight 🙄

The idea that the folks who sheltered Osama Bin Laden would “only attack Russia and China” is incredibly dumb.
 
Tigerace117 said:
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Yeah, the people who’ve been shooting at Americans ...
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yes and Moscow paid for it, after our withdraw situation is different , they know what USA/NATO can do to them , they will behave , we will do many great things with those Pushtuns ) and barbaric Moscow know it ))

www.nytimes.com

Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says (Published 2020)

The Trump administration has been deliberating for months about what to do about a stunning intelligence assessment.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
Litwin said:
yes and Moscow paid for it, after our withdraw situation is different , they know what USA/NATO can do to them , they will behave , we will do many great things with those Pushtuns ) and barbaric Moscow know it ))

www.nytimes.com

Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says (Published 2020)

The Trump administration has been deliberating for months about what to do about a stunning intelligence assessment.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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My God you don't understand anything about the Taliban.
 
Litwin said:
yes and Moscow paid for it, after our withdraw situation is different , they know what USA/NATO can do to them , they will behave , we will do many great things with those Pushtuns ) and barbaric Moscow know it ))

www.nytimes.com

Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says (Published 2020)

The Trump administration has been deliberating for months about what to do about a stunning intelligence assessment.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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Uh...no, they were shooting at US troops long before Russia paid any attention to Afghanistan.

Your cheerleading for the ****ing Taliban is literally insane. They are responsible for thousands of American servicemen losing their lives. Any politician dumb enough to implement your plan would be lucky if he was only run out of Washington.

And no, they certainly wouldn’t obey the US or NATO.
 
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