Turkey continues on toward a form of dictatorship.

[Torus34]

Turkey has just withdrawn from a binding treaty which helps to protect women's rights. For those interested in how a nation can slip from a form of democracy to one man/party rule, Turkey provides a day-to-day lesson. Individual freedoms are disappearing. The institutions which protect them are being destroyed or rendered impotent.

I do not know if this can be classified as fascism or not. It is difficult to find a definition to which all will agree. What we do have, though, is an example of two polarities: undemocratic liberalism and illiberal democracy, and where it can lead. Additional present-day examples include Poland, Egypt and Hungary. Russia has already reached the final stage of one man/one party rule.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[TheParser]

Turkey has just withdrawn from a binding treaty which helps to protect women's rights. For those interested in how a nation can slip from a form of democracy to one man/party rule, Turkey provides a day-to-day lesson. Individual freedoms are disappearing. The institutions which protect them are being destroyed or rendered impotent.

I do not know if this can be classified as fascism or not. It is difficult to find a definition to which all will agree. What we do have, though, is an example of two polarities: undemocratic liberalism and illiberal democracy, and where it can lead. Additional present-day examples include Poland, Egypt and Hungary. Russia has already reached the final stage of one man/one party rule.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

Too bad the military coup a few years ago did not succeed.

The Turkish armed forces used to "retire" any president who did not keep his place. (They even executed one.)

 

[Torus34]

Too bad the military coup a few years ago did not succeed.

The Turkish armed forces used to "retire" any president who did not keep his place. (They even executed one.)

There are many 'too bad's' in the slow degradation of government in Turkey, Egypt, Poland and Hungary, to name four examples. What should be of interest to citizens of other democratic nations [as opposed to dictatorships, monarchies and religious autocracies,] is that in the four noted, the constitutions did not protect the people from the eventual loss of liberty. Constitutions are often leaky dams when attacked by a person or party bent upon totalitarian rule.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[TheParser]

Constitutions are often leaky dams when attacked by a person or party bent upon totalitarian rule.

Just as we are witnessing here in the United States of America as the (Biden)-Harris administration embarks on totalitarian rule.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

A small critique on your thread title, Turkey has been a brutal dictatorship for a while now. Not a form of dictatorship, a full-blown anti-freedom, anti-human rights fascistic dictatorship. It's sad that a country with such an interesting history, culture and geography can fall into such an abyss.

There are many 'too bad's' in the slow degradation of government in Turkey, Egypt, Poland and Hungary, to name four examples. What should be of interest to citizens of other democratic nations [as opposed to dictatorships, monarchies and religious autocracies,] is that in the four noted, the constitutions did not protect the people from the eventual loss of liberty. Constitutions are often leaky dams when attacked by a person or party bent upon totalitarian rule.
Regards, stay safe 'n well.

Which is why constitutions should be updated regularly to fit the times. Trump showed us a lot of holes in the Constitution that a more competent dictator could use, and we should act to close those holes instead of pretending it's a perfect document passed down by Jesus 250 years ago.

Just as we are witnessing here in the United States of America as the (Biden)-Harris administration embarks on totalitarian rule.

Where would conservatives be without theatrics? You said the same thing about Clinton then Obama and you were wrong both times. You have no credibility left, child who cried wolf.

 

[Torus34]

Just as we are witnessing here in the United States of America as the (Biden)-Harris administration embarks on totalitarian rule.

Hi!

An interesting assertion. Can you provide further information that's verifiable as true?

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[Helix]

i hope to see the global trend move away from authoritarianism in coming years. the pendulum does tend to swing.

 

[j brown's body]

There are many 'too bad's' in the slow degradation of government in Turkey, Egypt, Poland and Hungary, to name four examples. What should be of interest to citizens of other democratic nations [as opposed to dictatorships, monarchies and religious autocracies,] is that in the four noted, the constitutions did not protect the people from the eventual loss of liberty. Constitutions are often leaky dams when attacked by a person or party bent upon totalitarian rule.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

"When liberty dies in the hearts of men and women, no constitution, no laws can protect it."

This is obviously a crisis we face today.

If the GOP controlled the House and senate, the president we have today might not be the one we elected.

If the Republicans could have found a judge to throw out tens of millions of votes, they would have supported the decision. Its constitutional!

 

[tecoyah]

It is well past time for NATO to boot Turkey from its roles and put it in the other column.

 

[TheParser]

Hi!

An interesting assertion. Can you provide further information that's verifiable as true?

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

Just watch the news from the Democratic-controlled media in this country.

1. Some Dems want to pack the Supreme Court.
2. Some Dems want to shut down all opposition in the Senate.
3. Some Dems want to gut the First Amendment regarding freedom of speech.
4. Some Dems want to make elections a federal matter instead of leaving it to the states.
5. Some Dems want schools to teach "dislike" of Caucasian people.


And those are just for starters!


Have a nice weekend!

 

[code1211]

Turkey has just withdrawn from a binding treaty which helps to protect women's rights. For those interested in how a nation can slip from a form of democracy to one man/party rule, Turkey provides a day-to-day lesson. Individual freedoms are disappearing. The institutions which protect them are being destroyed or rendered impotent.

I do not know if this can be classified as fascism or not. It is difficult to find a definition to which all will agree. What we do have, though, is an example of two polarities: undemocratic liberalism and illiberal democracy, and where it can lead. Additional present-day examples include Poland, Egypt and Hungary. Russia has already reached the final stage of one man/one party rule.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

Seems to be in line with Islamic philosophy.

 

[watsup]

Just as we are witnessing here in the United States of America as the (Biden)-Harris administration embarks on totalitarian rule.

What a silly statement.

 

[watsup]

Just watch the news from the Democratic-controlled media in this country.

1. Some Dems want to pack the Supreme Court.
2. Some Dems want to shut down all opposition in the Senate.
3. Some Dems want to gut the First Amendment regarding freedom of speech.
4. Some Dems want to make elections a federal matter instead of leaving it to the states.
5. Some Dems want schools to teach "dislike" of Caucasian people.


And those are just for starters!


Have a nice weekend!

Some Repubs want to make lists of falsehoods about Dems.

 

[Torus34]

"When liberty dies in the hearts of men and women, no constitution, no laws can protect it."

This is obviously a crisis we face today.

If the GOP controlled the House and senate, the president we have today might not be the one we elected.

If the Republicans could have found a judge to throw out tens of millions of votes, they would have supported the decision. Its constitutional!

The Constitution of the United States of America, remarkable document that it is, is still subject to attack, especially when the majority of Americans support the attack. The founders were very well aware of a dictatorship of the majority. Federalist Paper 63 gives us a look at that concern.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[Logician Man]

What a silly statement.

You're being much too kind, IMO. Clearly the OP is a liberal bashing thread and the OP guise of concern for women's rights is a clear, blatant ruse.

 

[Torus34]

Just watch the news from the Democratic-controlled media in this country.

1. Some Dems want to pack the Supreme Court.
2. Some Dems want to shut down all opposition in the Senate.
3. Some Dems want to gut the First Amendment regarding freedom of speech.
4. Some Dems want to make elections a federal matter instead of leaving it to the states.
5. Some Dems want schools to teach "dislike" of Caucasian people.


And those are just for starters!


Have a nice weekend!

Hi again.

It's a bit of a leap from 'Some Dems' to the Administration, nu? Some Republicans say interesting things, too.

I'm afraid that those statements do not address a proof of the initial assertion.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[Torus34]

Seems to be in line with Islamic philosophy.

Hi!

Islamic philosophy is many things, depending upon the interpretation of the specific imam.

Regards, stay safe and well.

 

[Logician Man]

Just watch the news from the Democratic-controlled media in this country.

1. Some Dems want to pack the Supreme Court.
2. Some Dems want to shut down all opposition in the Senate.
3. Some Dems want to gut the First Amendment regarding freedom of speech.
4. Some Dems want to make elections a federal matter instead of leaving it to the states.
5. Some Dems want schools to teach "dislike" of Caucasian people.


And those are just for starters!


Have a nice weekend!

Valid link to support your positive claim that " Some Dems want schools to teach 'dislike' of Caucasian people." Failure to present valid link equals dismissal of positive claim. The floor is yours.

 

[Torus34]

Getting back to the original intent of this thread, the admonition about paying attention to history and learning its lessons applies, I should think, to history as it is being made. If we do not pay attention to the goings-on in countries that are evolving from a form of democracy in which the rights of minorities are respected to authoritarian rule and thence on to a form of dictatorship [Ed.: or oligarchy-ship,] we will pay the price of negligence. It will be more than a simple surcharge.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[code1211]

What a silly statement.

If they are not a part of the solution, they are a part of the cause.

Biden strives to eliminate the incomes of miners and pipeline workers saying they can find jobs elsewhere.

Will this belief be extended to welfare recipients?

 

[code1211]

Hi!

Islamic philosophy is many things, depending upon the interpretation of the specific imam.

Regards, stay safe and well.

Sorry. I was only speaking to the point of the less than equal status of women portrayed in their treatment under Islamic Law.

I've never understood the blame placed on the woman for the transgression against women enacted by men.

 

[Zakho]

Hi!

Islamic philosophy is many things, depending upon the interpretation of the specific imam.

Regards, stay safe and well.

That is why it is a terrorism favorite religion, you can do any cruelty with it, if you bend it the right way. Islam is like a law that has the title "The right thing" but every criminal find the way to utilize it to do crime because the law has many interpretations and flaws.

 

[tecoyah]

If they are not a part of the solution, they are a part of the cause.

Biden strives to eliminate the incomes of miners and pipeline workers saying they can find jobs elsewhere.

Will this belief be extended to welfare recipients?

The miners and pipeline workers have been losing jobs for decades as energy needs are changing and Biden has little to do with it. Kodak tried to stay with its film technology as the industry went digital and got all but destroyed for not recognizing and adapting....same damn thing.

 

[Torus34]

Sorry. I was only speaking to the point of the less than equal status of women portrayed in their treatment under Islamic Law.

I've never understood the blame placed on the woman for the transgression against women enacted by men.

Hi!

Nor, with my outlook imbedded in the morality of today, can I.

Religions, with their insistence in having a hammer lock on what is right and what is wrong, have been responsible for many, many deaths down through the centuries as they have sought to impose their 'truth' on others.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[Torus34]

That is why it is a terrorism favorite religion, you can do any cruelty with it, if you bend it the right way. Islam is like a law that has the title "The right thing" but every criminal find the way to utilize it to do crime because the law has many interpretations and flaws.

Hi, Zakho.

It's a rare religion that cannot be bent, one way or another, by those who wish to impose their will upon others. It's grounded in a religion's tenet that it has a greater claim to the truth than others.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.