Tucson military recruiters ran cocaine (1 Viewer)

[jujuman13]

Join the forces and become a drug runner!, get caught and be rewarded by the US justices by being permitted to continue your job publicly funded by US Taxpayers.
What a world we live in, then we complain when the President of Iran calls us a corrupt nation.
Drug runners in Saudi Arabia are routinely executed.
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Tucson military recruiters ran cocaine | www.azstarnet.com ®

 

[jujuman13]

From the lack of response, I am led to believe that the average American poster recognises that the Justice system in the US is as useful and productive as a bull giving milk?

 

[Calm2Chaos]

From the lack of response, I am led to believe that the average American poster recognises that the Justice system in the US is as useful and productive as a bull giving milk?

No.. we just think your a joke. That your taking an isolated incident and condemning an entire organization.

They also say they kept these recruiters on the job because they either didn't know they were under investigation, or were told by the FBI to leave the suspects alone so as not to jeopardize the sting's outcome.

Imagine that, being left on the job because they were told to be so the investigation would not be jepardized... those bastar.ds

hundreds if not thousands of recruiters and you found 10 and completely stereotyped and dismissed the entire organization. Along with damm.ing the country and it's legal system...

Yes a joke, lucky for me I like a good laugh

 

[jujuman13]

I, personally have absolutely no objection as being seen as a 'Joke', nor do I care if what I post are also seen as 'Jokes'.
By your standards albeit pretty low it merely reveals to anyone who reads these posts how ridiculously inept are the FBI in permitting the continuance of these criminals behaviour for years after there behaviour has been discovered.
Perhaps CALM2CHAOS has no children of school age, perhaps he has no children whatsoever, but I am willing to bet he has relatives who are attending school, and the parents of these children will be appalled at the actions or should that be inactions of the FBI as well as the futility of whatever passes for a Judiciary in the US.
CALM2CHAOS, I would suggest you read the article again, that is, assuming you bothered to read it the first time, but just in case you are unable to access it, I have included some comments by parents of children from that area.


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(One TUSD Governing Board member was incensed to hear the recruiters remained on the job so long.
"It's ludicrous to me that the FBI would leave these people in place and allow them onto our high school campuses," Judy Burns said.
"If they were going to do that, they should have been monitoring them constantly."
Monica Young, who has two children attending TUSD high schools, agreed.
"It is appalling that recruiters who were known to be involved in such activity were allowed on any school campus," she said.
Legal expert Stephen Saltzburg, who teaches criminal procedure at George Washington University, said it's entirely possible that the Tucson recruiters were running drugs in their free time and still functioning normally on the job.
Once the FBI made the decision to leave them in place at local schools "one would hope they would be watching that very carefully," he said. )

Posted by the 'Joke'

 

[jujuman13]

Oh, incidentally, I found a report which revealed that 7 that is SEVEN people were found to be running drugs.

I copied the link to that story and posted it, I did not make up anything.
I drew my own conclusions, with which you disagreed, others may not be so generous.

 

[RightinNYC]

Join the forces and become a drug runner!, get caught and be rewarded by the US justices by being permitted to continue your job publicly funded by US Taxpayers.
What a world we live in, then we complain when the President of Iran calls us a corrupt nation.
Drug runners in Saudi Arabia are routinely executed.

What on earth are you talking about?

You do realize the REASON they weren't immediately arrested, right? It's because here in the US, unlike in Saudi Arabia's legal system that you lovingly cite, there is a strong presumption of innocence. As a result, overwhelming evidence must be gathered in order to successfully prosecute a crime. Without that evidence, no conviction can occur. So, in order to gain that evidence, they were allowed to conduct their operations, under heavy surveillance, in order to make a sealed case so that they didn't escape on a technicality and find their way back onto the streets.

And re: the complaints from parents/PTA members - That's what you get when you ask the opinions of uninformed people who don't understand how cases are built and are prodded into being scared for the safety of their children when there was absolutely no indication whatsoever that any of them were ever at risk.

Congratulations on tanking an interesting article that could have been a productive discussion.

 

[Navy Pride]

Join the forces and become a drug runner!, get caught and be rewarded by the US justices by being permitted to continue your job publicly funded by US Taxpayers.
What a world we live in, then we complain when the President of Iran calls us a corrupt nation.
Drug runners in Saudi Arabia are routinely executed.
Link

Tucson military recruiters ran cocaine | www.azstarnet.com ®

Liberals slamming our military becasue of the deeds of a very few.....Sounds like "Lurch" Kerry and Vietnam all over again......

When will the left stop knocking our troops?

 

[jujuman13]

I am and have always considered myself to be a centrist Republican, I voted for Bush in the 2004 elections as to my way of thinking, Kerry was and is an absolute waste of time.
I have never voted Democrat and can see no reason in future to do so.

I respect and honour our troops, it grieves me deeply that they are put in harms way by politicians who do not support them, in that they are woefully short of protective equipment and that the weapons with which they are issued are falling apart.

I castigate the FBI for not running continual surviellence on people who they absolutely KNOW were in the process of running and selling drugs, the merest hint that some of these drugs may have been sold to schoolchildren during this time reveals quite clearly one of two possibilities.
1) The FBI set the entire sting operation up from start to finish as some sort of excercise.
or
2) they were inept in not running a continual surviellance on these characters.
You cannot have it that they discovered ' albeit by a sting operation' that having found these people selling drugs at CERTAIN times, that they were not selling drugs at times when they were not being watched.

Perhaps I do not know much about how any Police / FBI operation is or should be run, but simple common sense says that drug sellers will sell at any time of day or night and should thus be watched at all times.

But no, you simply say I am being ridiculous, and in reality you are saying 'to hell with our schoolchildren', they can look after themselves.

 

[jujuman13]

RightatNYU,
May I respectfully suggest you read the entire article, to permit you or anyone else to do so, I actually provided a link.

 

[RightinNYC]

RightatNYU,
May I respectfully suggest you read the entire article, to permit you or anyone else to do so, I actually provided a link.

I read the article when the story first came out, thank you very much.

I castigate the FBI for not running continual surviellence on people who they absolutely KNOW were in the process of running and selling drugs, the merest hint that some of these drugs may have been sold to schoolchildren during this time reveals quite clearly one of two possibilities.
1) The FBI set the entire sting operation up from start to finish as some sort of excercise.
or
2) they were inept in not running a continual surviellance on these characters.
You cannot have it that they discovered ' albeit by a sting operation' that having found these people selling drugs at CERTAIN times, that they were not selling drugs at times when they were not being watched.

Perhaps I do not know much about how any Police / FBI operation is or should be run, but simple common sense says that drug sellers will sell at any time of day or night and should thus be watched at all times.

You make my point for me here. You know nothing about proper procedure for how these type of sting operations should be carried out. So why don't you stop complaining about something that you know nothing about, let the professionals do their jobs, and instead be happy that this sting turned out so successfully without anyone being hurt?

 

[Navy Pride]

I am and have always considered myself to be a centrist Republican, I voted for Bush in the 2004 elections as to my way of thinking, Kerry was and is an absolute waste of time.
I have never voted Democrat and can see no reason in future to do so.

I respect and honour our troops, it grieves me deeply that they are put in harms way by politicians who do not support them, in that they are woefully short of protective equipment and that the weapons with which they are issued are falling apart.

I castigate the FBI for not running continual surviellence on people who they absolutely KNOW were in the process of running and selling drugs, the merest hint that some of these drugs may have been sold to schoolchildren during this time reveals quite clearly one of two possibilities.
1) The FBI set the entire sting operation up from start to finish as some sort of excercise.
or
2) they were inept in not running a continual surviellance on these characters.
You cannot have it that they discovered ' albeit by a sting operation' that having found these people selling drugs at CERTAIN times, that they were not selling drugs at times when they were not being watched.

Perhaps I do not know much about how any Police / FBI operation is or should be run, but simple common sense says that drug sellers will sell at any time of day or night and should thus be watched at all times.

But no, you simply say I am being ridiculous, and in reality you are saying 'to hell with our schoolchildren', they can look after themselves.

If what you say is true........Why start a thread slamming our military and painting them all with the same brush.........You are doing the ame thing Kerry did......

Oh and one more thing, after reading your posts slamming republicans, conservatives, and the president I doubt very seriously if you ever voted republican..........

Your words betray you.......

 

[jujuman13]

NAVY PRIDE
Just because a person is our President does not mean he cannot be criticised for his actions and or inactions.

I crticise President Bush for acting like a dictator.

He was wrong to start a war with Iraq, Iraq did not have WMD and this was known before he waged war on them, Iraq did not have Al-Queada operating within it's borders as at that time Saddam Hussein would have seen them as an opposing force to his own authority.
This leads to the question, just why did he go to war with Iraq.
You probably are not interested in the why, it appears for you it is enough that the President says do something and it gets done?

For me that is never enough, I wish to know why our troops are being put in harms way, I wish to be told the truth.

I also want to know why there was no planning for what would happen after the war was won, because winning the war was in reality a done deal before we started the war.

I want to know why it was deemed necessary to alienate the Iraqi population to the extent they now see the US as the enemy.

I respect a person for their deeds, I would like to be able to respect this or indeed any President of whatever political hue for their words as long as they tell the truth.

This President has lied to you, to me, to the whole of the US and also to the world, he will go down into history as the most ignomious President this country has ever seen.

And even though he has made a complete hash of anything he has turned his Presidential hand to, you still revere him because he is the President.

I support our troops, I do not support or laud the idiots who not only put them into harms way but also refuse to fully support them.

Finally let me say that if the President had KNOWN THEN WHAT HE KNOWS NOW, HE WOULD NEVER HAVE STARTED THIS INSANE WAR.

He knows it, you know it, so why cannot you simply be honest enough to admit it, just once.

RightatNYU

If the FBI avctually charges a person with a crime but still permits them to continue with their criminal practices, you evidently think this good practise.
Others see it as a derelection of duty.

 

[RightinNYC]

RightatNYU

If the FBI avctually charges a person with a crime but still permits them to continue with their criminal practices, you evidently think this good practise.
Others see it as a derelection of duty.

And those others are idiotic. It's called a sting. Look it up.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

I, personally have absolutely no objection as being seen as a 'Joke', nor do I care if what I post are also seen as 'Jokes'.
By your standards albeit pretty low it merely reveals to anyone who reads these posts how ridiculously inept are the FBI in permitting the continuance of these criminals behaviour for years after there behaviour has been discovered.
Perhaps CALM2CHAOS has no children of school age, perhaps he has no children whatsoever, but I am willing to bet he has relatives who are attending school, and the parents of these children will be appalled at the actions or should that be inactions of the FBI as well as the futility of whatever passes for a Judiciary in the US.
CALM2CHAOS, I would suggest you read the article again, that is, assuming you bothered to read it the first time, but just in case you are unable to access it, I have included some comments by parents of children from that area.


Quote
(One TUSD Governing Board member was incensed to hear the recruiters remained on the job so long.
"It's ludicrous to me that the FBI would leave these people in place and allow them onto our high school campuses," Judy Burns said.
"If they were going to do that, they should have been monitoring them constantly."
Monica Young, who has two children attending TUSD high schools, agreed.
"It is appalling that recruiters who were known to be involved in such activity were allowed on any school campus," she said.
Legal expert Stephen Saltzburg, who teaches criminal procedure at George Washington University, said it's entirely possible that the Tucson recruiters were running drugs in their free time and still functioning normally on the job.
Once the FBI made the decision to leave them in place at local schools "one would hope they would be watching that very carefully," he said. )

Posted by the 'Joke'

OK Joke,

Actually I have 2 in school.. And I believe in the article it also says they were not bringing the drugs or selling them at the school. And I understand what THEY did was wrong. But your attempt at smearing the entire military the country and it's justice system over 10 people is pathetic. You call it what you want, i'm going to stick with my description

 

[Navy Pride]

NAVY PRIDE
Just because a person is our President does not mean he cannot be criticised for his actions and or inactions.

I crticise President Bush for acting like a dictator.

He was wrong to start a war with Iraq, Iraq did not have WMD and this was known before he waged war on them, Iraq did not have Al-Queada operating within it's borders as at that time Saddam Hussein would have seen them as an opposing force to his own authority.
This leads to the question, just why did he go to war with Iraq.
You probably are not interested in the why, it appears for you it is enough that the President says do something and it gets done?

For me that is never enough, I wish to know why our troops are being put in harms way, I wish to be told the truth.

I also want to know why there was no planning for what would happen after the war was won, because winning the war was in reality a done deal before we started the war.

I want to know why it was deemed necessary to alienate the Iraqi population to the extent they now see the US as the enemy.

I respect a person for their deeds, I would like to be able to respect this or indeed any President of whatever political hue for their words as long as they tell the truth.

This President has lied to you, to me, to the whole of the US and also to the world, he will go down into history as the most ignomious President this country has ever seen.

And even though he has made a complete hash of anything he has turned his Presidential hand to, you still revere him because he is the President.

I support our troops, I do not support or laud the idiots who not only put them into harms way but also refuse to fully support them.

Finally let me say that if the President had KNOWN THEN WHAT HE KNOWS NOW, HE WOULD NEVER HAVE STARTED THIS INSANE WAR.

He knows it, you know it, so why cannot you simply be honest enough to admit it, just once.

RightatNYU

If the FBI avctually charges a person with a crime but still permits them to continue with their criminal practices, you evidently think this good practise.
Others see it as a derelection of duty.

And your boy Kerry would have been a better president....Yeah, Right........I don't care if you play Monday Morning QB and criticize the President.....I don't weant you painting all our troops as the bad guys as you did by starting this thread....

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Originally Posted by jujuman13

I respect and honour our troops, it grieves me deeply that they are put in harms way by politicians who do not support them, in that they are woefully short of protective equipment and that the weapons with which they are issued are falling apart.

Is equating our troops and military with Drug Runners and terrorist your idea of respect and honor. I can't speak for all of them but I would imagine they would prefer you keep your kind of respect to yourself.....