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Trypillia: 7000-year-old civilisation silenced by Moscow Marxist occupiers (communists)

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Trypillia: 7000-year-old civilisation silenced by Moscow Marxist occupiers (communists)​

10 June 2021|Archaeology
The Cucuteni–Trypillia culture is one of the of the oldest civilisations in the world and dates back to 5,000 BC.
Since most of its settlements were discovered in the former communist countries in Eastern Europe, many mysteries of this ancient civilisation remain unsolved.

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Trypillia: 7000-year-old civilisation silenced by Moscow Marxist occupiers (communists)​

10 June 2021|Archaeology
The Cucuteni–Trypillia culture is one of the of the oldest civilisations in the world and dates back to 5,000 BC.
Since most of its settlements were discovered in the former communist countries in Eastern Europe, many mysteries of this ancient civilisation remain unsolved.

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Very cool! Hope it's not too late to go back and continue exploring. Burning their old sites before moving on seems strange--and as if it was planned and sudden. Or did invaders do it?
I'd like to know more about that.
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"Symbols and proto-writing of the Cucuteni–Trypillia culture​

There has been some controversy in the dating of some of these discoveries, especially the Tărtăria Tablets.


  • One of the three Tărtăria tablets, dated to 5500–2750 BC

  • One of the Gradeshnitsa Tablets

  • Cucuteni-Trypillian barter tokens, or pintadera
In 1981 archaeologists unearthed a remarkable discovery dating back to 4200 BC from the Precucuteni site of Poduri-Dealul, near the town of Ghindaru, Bacău County, Romania. Dubbed the "Council of Goddesses", it was a collection of 15 anthropomorphic female clay figurines, all of whom were seated, with 13 of them seated on accompanying clay chairs (or thrones), all of the figurines were placed so that they were facing inward in a circle (see photograph below). The archaeologists noted that some of these figurines had symbolic markings painted in red on their shoulders, almost identical to other clay female figurines found elsewhere.



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"Symbols and proto-writing of the Cucuteni–Trypillia culture​

There has been some controversy in the dating of some of these discoveries, especially the Tărtăria Tablets.


  • One of the three Tărtăria tablets, dated to 5500–2750 BC

  • One of the Gradeshnitsa Tablets

  • Cucuteni-Trypillian barter tokens, or pintadera
In 1981 archaeologists unearthed a remarkable discovery dating back to 4200 BC from the Precucuteni site of Poduri-Dealul, near the town of Ghindaru, Bacău County, Romania. Dubbed the "Council of Goddesses", it was a collection of 15 anthropomorphic female clay figurines, all of whom were seated, with 13 of them seated on accompanying clay chairs (or thrones), all of the figurines were placed so that they were facing inward in a circle (see photograph below). The archaeologists noted that some of these figurines had symbolic markings painted in red on their shoulders, almost identical to other clay female figurines found elsewhere.



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Wow! The shared writing and identical goddess symbols over such a wide area sure sounds like this was one giant civilization, doesn't it? How fascinating! I'd love to know what those stone tablets say, wouldn't you?
 

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Burning their old sites before moving on seems strange--and as if it was planned and sudden. Or did invaders do it?
I'd like to know more about that.

That is actually fairly common for the era.

We know from studying the more recent peoples of the Neolithic Americas that there were many reasons. Sometimes it was religious or cultural upheaval. Other times it was plagues, invasion, or simply that the previous city had burned to the ground and had to be rebuilt. Many cities from Northern Africa, the Middle East, and Southern Europe are dated by digging down through multiple layers of the city that had been destroyed beforehand.

Interestingly enough, what is probably the oldest "house" that is occupied in the world is the Seibenberg House, in Jerusalem. It dates to over 3,000 years old, to the time of King David and the First Temple. And that rested on the remains of even older burial vaults, dating back another 200+ years. And archaeologists have been fascinated with it for the last 50 years, as originally it was thought to be of a much more modern construction. But they quickly realized it was incredibly old, with just more "modern" modifications made to it of the millennia.

And even more remarkable, is that it had survived 2 different "destructions" of the city. Both the 422 BCE destruction by the Babylonians, and the 70 CE destruction by the Romans. Archaeologists dismissed the age that the owner suspected, until excavations starting turning up 1st and early 2nd Tempe era artifacts and building features.

And we are still trying to figure out why it was also done at Göbekli Tepe. That was a "religious city", not an actual occupied city but more along the lines of a religious shrine that probably had a small caretaker settlement, but nomads would visit over and over again, starting at 11-12 kya. And it was regularly destroyed and rebuilt, roughly every dozen years or so. It is not known if that was part of a religious cycle (maybe along the lines of the Phoenix), or some upheaval would cause the "old gods" to be deposed and new ones take their place.

As this is an era of pre-history and even folklore of the site is long lost, we likely will never know. Much as most of the reasons why that was repeated in the Americas into the 15th century is lost. Without written records, we will likely never know.
 

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Wow! The shared writing and identical goddess symbols over such a wide area sure sounds like this was one giant civilization, doesn't it? How fascinating! I'd love to know what those stone tablets say, wouldn't you?

And once again, it dates back even farther than that.

If anything, it likely is just another sign of the Indo-European civilization that likely spawned most of those that came after it. And even farther back in time than that.

We know that migration to the Americas started over 30 kya. Yet, look at the similarities of most religions. Most cultures revered the Wolf, but equated the Coyote (or similar canine if it did not exist in that area like the Jackal) as the "Trickster". Asia, Europe, even Africa and the Americas all seem to share that same belief. And to connect it even more, quite often Wolf and Coyote are brothers.

Just as there are huge similarities between the life and myth of Jesus, and also of Thor. And once again, Thor was a younger brother, the "messiah figure" who was the son of "God", and died to save humanity. And his older brother was the "Trickster God".

"Venus" figurines have been found globally, and there is plenty of evidence that even the proto-Hebrews had such a figure. Asherah, and that many hints in some of the most ancient writings in the Bible equate as the wife of Jehovah. And even similar statues have been found at Neanderthal sites, showing it was not even unique to "Modern Man".
 

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Shame the OP had to insert his usual attempted propaganda drivel by implying Russian heavy handedness, but actually refers to soviet practises in satellite countries from the better part of a century ago .

Perhaps OP might next tell us about Gobekli Tepe in south east Turkey which could be twice as old --- around 10, 000 BC . I expect one of Stalin's ancestors tried to force Communist type practises on them as well .
 

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Shame the OP had to insert his usual attempted propaganda drivel by implying Russian heavy handedness, but actually refers to soviet practises in satellite countries from the better part of a century ago .

Perhaps OP might next tell us about Gobekli Tepe in south east Turkey which could be twice as old --- around 10, 000 BC . I expect one of Stalin's ancestors tried to force Communist type practises on them as well .
wrong, Moscow kills today , its only one way for moscow to be relevant
satellite? wrong , oppressed Moscow´s colonies
 

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wrong, Moscow kills today , its only one way for moscow to be relevant
satellite? wrong , oppressed Moscow´s colonies

Russia has no "colonies" Litwin.

None.

Why lie?
 

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Russia has no "colonies" Litwin.

None.

Why lie?
the USSR was almost exactly the same as Czarist Muscovy , which was definitely a colonial empire. It was different from the other colonial empires in that its colonies were contiguous and not overseas possessions. The core of the empire was Muscovy and the Muscovites. The Muscovites pushed out from their homeland and colonized large areas of Siberia, the Crimea, and the Ukraine. If Communist USSR was not colonial, then back in the 1920's it would have let go of states like Belarus (GDL), Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan , Siberia , Ukraine, and those in Central Asia (etc.) , all lands that would have preferred independence to being forced into the USSR. Also, it would not have occupied the Baltic/East European states into the USSR in 1940.
 

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the USSR was almost exactly the same as Czarist Muscovy , which was definitely a colonial empire.

There never was a "Czarist Muscovy"

Are you speaking of the RUSSIAN Tsardom which became the RUSSIAN Empire?

There were colonies back in the 1800s.

The USSR wasn't anything like the the RUSSIAN Empire.

It was different from the other colonial empires in that its colonies were contiguous and not overseas possessions.

Except for the colonies it did have.

Ever hear of ALASKA?

Ever wonder why there is a Russian River in the USA?

Sevastopol, California USA?

The core of the empire was Muscovy and the Muscovites. The Muscovites

Wrong.

Russia, Russians.

pushed out from their homeland and colonized large areas of Siberia, the Crimea, and the Ukraine.

The RUSSIANS actually conquered those lands. When they curb stomped the remaining MONGOL lands.

If Communist USSR was not colonial, then back in the 1920's it would have let go of states like Belarus (GDL), Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan , Siberia , Ukraine, and those in Central Asia (etc.) ,

Why would the USSR release the lands of the former RUSSIAN Empire?

RUSSIAN lands are not "colonies".

all lands that would have preferred independence to being forced into the USSR. Also, it would not have occupied the Baltic/East European states into the USSR in 1940.

Conquer =/= Colonize.

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The town of Nebelvka, Ukraine, is listed as organized from 10,000 years BCE, to 4000 BCE. Is this the earliest culture with written records recorded in clay?







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The town of Nebelvka, Ukraine, is listed as organized from 10,000 years BCE, to 4000 BCE. Is this the earliest culture with written records recorded in clay?







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did Trypillia civilization have contacts with the outside world ? what kind of contacts
 

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Contacts with the outside world were probably visits from nomad tribes seeking/stealing food. The first governmental department was probably a Department of Defense. A State department, to make peace with neighboring towns, was probably a second department.



The years of activities of the town of Nebelvka, Ukraine are not clearly marked in the Wiki article.



Early period (5800–5000 BCE)[edit]​


Cucuteni clay figures, 4900–4750 BCE, discovered in Balta Popii, Romania
The roots of Cucuteni–Trypillia culture can be found in the Starčevo–Körös–Criș and Vinča cultures of the 6th to 5th millennia,[7] with additional influence from the Bug–Dniester culture (6500–5000 BC).[21] During the early period of its existence (in the fifth millennium BCE), the Cucuteni–Trypillia culture was also influenced by the Linear Pottery culture from the north, and by the Boian culture from the south.[7] Through colonisation and acculturation from these other cultures, the formative Pre-Cucuteni/Trypillia A culture was established. Over the course of the fifth millennium, the Cucuteni–Trypillia culture expanded from its 'homeland' in the PrutSiret region along the eastern foothills of the Carpathian Mountains into the basins and plains of the Dnieper and Southern Bug rivers of central Ukraine.[22] Settlements also developed in the southeastern stretches of the Carpathian Mountains, with the materials known locally as the Ariuşd culture (see also: Prehistory of Transylvania). Most of the settlements were located close to rivers, with fewer settlements located on the plateaus. Most early dwellings took the form of pit-houses, though they were accompanied by an ever-increasing incidence of above-ground clay houses.[22] The floors and hearths of these structures were made of clay, and the walls of clay-plastered wood or reeds. Roofing was made of thatched straw or reeds.




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Reference for the years of activities of the town of Nebelvka, Ukraine. 4300 to 4000 BCE





Mogylna is the oldest settlement listed, Years 5000, to 4600 BCE


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as far as i remember the oldest city found in Bulgaria, and Cucuteni-Trypillian was located not far away, why the westren part of the Black sea was so popular for early city - builder ? my guess its the climate and fresh water resources , what do you think ?

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"David Anthony's book, its really amazing that at around 4000 BCE their settlements were bigger than those in Mesopotamia and the Levant."
 
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