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Trutheriness and Ron Paul

Let them defend themselves, let them act as they wish. Stop all funding of Israel, stop gifting them with military hardware, stop screwing around with their business. If they are attacked and need to defend their sovereignty, then so be it. So long as they don't try to pull us in with them.

You are ignorant to or unconcerned with:

Erosion of freedom in the world.

Elimination of the State of Israel.

A 2nd Holocaust (Genocide of millions of Israelis).

The welfare of an important ally.

The possibility that the Israelis efforts to defend itself would start a much larger war, affecting Muslims around the world and requiring a response by the developed nations, resulting in a world war. This time though, America would not escape fire in our streets.

By the way, I think your attitude would be quite compatible with the KKK or David Duke school of thought.

On February 5, 2002, (David) Duke said, on his Internet radio show, that Ariel Sharon was "the world's worst terrorist" and that Mossad was involved in the 9/11 attacks. The broadcast said that Zionists were behind the attacks in order to reduce sympathy for Muslim nations in the West, and that the number of Israelis killed in the attack was lower than it would be under normal circumstances, citing early assessments by The Jerusalem Post and "the legendary involvement of Israeli nationals in businesses at the World Trade Center". According to Duke, this indicated that Israeli security services had prior knowledge of the attack.[48]
 
You are ignorant to or unconcerned with:

Erosion of freedom in the world.

Elimination of the State of Israel.

A 2nd Holocaust (Genocide of millions of Israelis).

The welfare of an important ally.

The possibility that the Israelis efforts to defend itself would start a much larger war, affecting Muslims around the world and requiring a response by the developed nations, resulting in a world war. This time though, America would not escape fire in our streets.

By the way, I think your attitude would be quite compatible with the KKK or David Duke school of thought.

What a pile of horse manure. Unconcerned with freedom? I am well concerned with my own and with the limitation of the US federal government to maximize the liberty of the American people. Other people must win it for themselves. Has Iraq taught you nothing? Israel has stood and fought many times, they are capable of doing it on their own, we do not need to fund them.

So long as America is tinkering militarily in that area we can not hope for resolution. You're stand the ground sort of mentality may seem nice to you, but you've blinded yourself to the cliff ahead. More American intervention is not going to help out less we change the method of our intervention. If you wish to preserve freedom, it will do you well to learn the consequences of our actions and how that has put the welfare of the entire ME in harms way.
 
What a pile of horse manure. Unconcerned with freedom? I am well concerned with my own and with the limitation of the US federal government to maximize the liberty of the American people. Other people must win it for themselves. Has Iraq taught you nothing? Israel has stood and fought many times, they are capable of doing it on their own, we do not need to fund them.

So long as America is tinkering militarily in that area we can not hope for resolution. You're stand the ground sort of mentality may seem nice to you, but you've blinded yourself to the cliff ahead. More American intervention is not going to help out lesT we change the method of our intervention. If you wish to preserve freedom, it will do you well to learn the consequences of our actions and how that has put the welfare of the entire ME in harms way.<helped the cause of freedom>.

You've managed to write my post to you for me.
 
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So you want to return to a policy of isolationism and hide behind the gates of fortress America then? This is why your ilk can not be allowed to obtain power, such a policy is exactly why WW2 was so costly.

Once again, nothing in the Constitution permits our government to coddle other nations. Its funny how so-called "conservatives" claim to be so anti-welfare but have no problem with welfare for foreign governments and corporations.
 
Yes, because they are Joooooz!

Nah, probably has more to do with how they treat others.


July 2, 1946: The King David Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed by Jewish terrorists, killing 91 people.

April 9, 1948: A combined force of Irgun and Stern Jewish Terrorist Gangs committed a brutal massacre of 260 Arab residents of the village of Deir Yassin.

May 1948: The U.S. appointed Count Folke Bernadotte of Sweden to mediate between the Arabs and the Israelis. In his first progress report (of Sept. 16, 1948) he recommended that the U.N. should affirm "the right of the Arab refugees to return to their homes in Jewish controlled territory at the earliest possible date." The Israelis responded in their own quiet way. The following day Bernadotte was murdered in Jerusalem.

February 1949: Israel launched an offensive across the Armistice lines with Egypt which brought its forces to the Gulf of Aqaba, occupying the Palestinian police post of Umm Rashrash which they afterwards named Eilat.

1950: Israelis seized the Al-Uja de-militarized zone on the Egyptian side and Baqqara on the Syrian side, expelling their Arab inhabitants and razed their homes to the ground by bulldozers.

1950-1955: Israeli forces unleashed more than 40 acts of armed aggressions against Arab states, almost all causing a heavy loss of life. This included attacks and massacres in Qibya, Huleh 1953, Nahalin, Kfar Qassem in 1954, Gaza and a Syrian outpost on Lake Tiberias in 1955.

October 14-15, 1953 -- Under the command of Ariel Sharon, Israeli squads attacked the unarmed Arab village of Qibya in the demilitarized zone. Where they blew up 42 houses and killed more than 60 residents who were trapped inside. The details were so gruesome that the U.S. joined in a U.N. condemnation of the Israeli action, and for the first and only time, suspended aid to Israel in reprisal.

1956: Squads of Israeli soldiers committed a hideous atrocity in the Palestinian village of Kafr Qasim, 47 innocent people were shot down in cold blood.

In October 1956 Israel, backed by England and France, attacked Egypt to gain control of the Suez Canal. This action created another 300,000 Arab refugees.

1960-1962: Israeli forces attacked Syrian villages on Lade Tiberias killing hundreds of Arab civilians.

1966: Squads of Israeli soldiers raided the Jordanian village of Sammu, they killed 18 civilians, wounded 100 others and demolished 130 houses including a school, a clinic and a mosque.

1967: THE U.S.S. Liberty was deliberately attacked in international waters as it monitored communications during the Six-Day War. Israel used U.S.-donated equipment to jam the ship's S.O.S., hoping to sink it and murder all aboard before word could get out. 34 sailors were killed and 170 wounded.

June 5, 1967: After destroying Arab aircraft on the ground, Israeli forces invaded and occupied the rest of Palestine, that is, the West Bank, Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem, the Syrian Golan Heights and the Egyptian Sinai Peninsula. In the first days of its aggression, Israel fabricated a charge of aggression against its victims and presented it in a dramatic manner to the U.N. Security Council. Later in 1967 the Israeli's made a third ruthless blitzkrieg attack upon the Arabs. This time they deliberately destroyed three quarters of a million dollar's worth of church property.

February 15, 1968: Israel invaded PLO bases in Karamah, on the eastern bank of the River Jordan with helicopter-borne troops and tanks.

1969: Israeli war planes raided an Egyptian school "Bahr al Baker" in southern Egypt killing 75 children and wounding over 100.

August 1969: An Israeli set fire to one of the most sacred Islamic shrines. Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, causing extensive damage to it.

March 12, 1970: Israeli forces invaded part of South Lebanon known as "Fatah-Land" killing a number of Palestinian and Lebanese civilians.

September 8, 1972 -- Israeli Phantoms bombed Palestinian targets in Lebanon and Syria in a series of raids killing hundreds of civilians.

February 21, 1973: Israel landed commando units on the coasts of the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli. They attacked two Palestinian refugees camps, dynamited several houses and buildings, some over the heads of their occupants, killing 35 refugees and wounding a similar number. On the same day, Israeli war planes shot down a Libyan Civilian Aircraft over the Sinai Desert killing over 100 passengers.

April 10, 1973: Israeli commando units with the help of some Lebanese collaborators stormed into a residential quarter in East Beirut and killed three PLO leaders: Yusef Al Najjar, Kamal Adwan and Kamal Nasser.

1974: Israeli air-borne commando units attacked Beirut airport and destroyed 13 Lebanese civilian aircraft on the ground.

1975-1980: Israeli's intelligence service, the Mossad, killed a number of Arab and Palestinian diplomats, scientists and journalists such as the PLO representatives in London, Rome, Paris and Brussels, prominent Palestinian journalist and writer Ghassan Kanafani and the Egyptian nuclear scientist Dr. Al Mashad.

1981: Putting their so-called pre-emptive policy in action, Israeli warplanes raided and destroyed a peaceful Iraqi nuclear reactor near Baghdad.

June 6, 1982: The Israeli armed forces invaded Lebanon. Less than two weeks after its election, the New Menachem Begin government unleashed the first blow in its war to liquidate the PLO in Lebanon.

June 1982: Israeli forced launched an invasion of Lebanon. As a result of this invasion a great number of refugee camps, Lebanese towns and villages were destroyed. Israeli warplanes launched eight raids on Palestinian targets in South Lebanon and Beirut, killing nearly one thousand people and wounding many others.

July 17, 1982: U.S. supplied F-4 and F-5 jets swooped low over Beirut in 4 passes, bombing the densely-populated Fakahani district. Five tall apartment buildings were destroyed, 200 people were killed and 800 wounded. Forty percent of the victims were small children.

September 1982: Israeli raids and bombardments continued during the weeks following the raid on Beirut in July. It was the beginning of the invasion of Beirut; after which an 80 days war led by Ariel Sharon, (then War Minister of Israel) resulted in the destruction of much of Beirut, killing and wounding thousands of Palestinians and Lebanese civilians. It was during this invasion that the massacre of the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps was committed. Where over 2,500 Palestinian women, children and elderly people were slaughtered in cold blood. Even the Israeli high court held a number of the Israeli military officers, including Sharon, responsible.

October 1982: Israeli terrorists bombed the houses, cars and offices of three elected Palestinian mayors on the West Bank, Nablus, Ramallah and Al Beireh.

1984: Israeli warships and gunboats intercepted merchant ships on the high seas off the coast of Lebanon and kidnapped a number of Palestinians.

1985: Israeli planes raided and destroyed the PLO headquarters in Tunis.

1986: Israeli secret agents assassinated a noted Palestinian cartoonist Naji Al Ali, in London.

April 1988: Israeli commando units stormed into the house of Khalil Al Wazir, in Tunis. Al Wazir who was the most senior PLO military commander and believed to be in charge of the Intifada, was killed.

February and March 1989: Israeli F-16 planes pounded Palestinian targets in Lebanon's Shouf Mountains, Damour and the Beka's valley with a series of raids killing a numbers of civilians, including 15 school children in Damour.

April 14, 1989: Israeli border guards and settlers attacked the village of Nahalin near Bethlehem. Eight Palestinians were massacred for no reason and over 50 were injured. The killings took place late in the night and at the beginning of the Holy month of Ramadan.

June, 2006: Intentional bombing of the UN center in Qana, Lebanon



None of this is to say that Hamas or others do not share the blame for the current crisis. But to view Israel as a peace-loving neighbor and the "jewish people" as completely innocent is to ignore all that has been going on in the Gaza Strip and elsewhere over the past 60 years. It's not like they were just minding their own business and then some big meanie arabs started picking on them.
 
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