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Review the Tamir Rice tape. There's a problem.
The reality, Lemoine declares, is that a random black male is “overwhelmingly unlikely” to be the victim of police violence, and any disparity that does exist between the violence blacks and whites experience in their encounter with cops “is consistent with the racial gap in violent crime, suggesting that the role of racial bias is small.”
According to the Washington Post, just 16 unarmed black men out of a population of more than 20 million were killed by the police in 2016 – down from 36 the year before. These figures are numerically comparable to the number of black men that could be struck by lightning in any given year, Lemoine calculates, and they include cases in which the shooting was justified, even if the person killed was unarmed.
“Police killings of black unarmed males are incredibly rare, and it’s completely misleading to talk about an ‘epidemic of them,” he writes, pointing out that the left makes a similar comparison “when they argue that it’s completely irrational to fear that you might become a victim of terrorism.”
It’s not even true that black men are beaten on a regular basis by the police, or even pulled over constantly without reason. Using data from the Police-Public Contact Survey, based on a nationally representative sample of more than 70,000 U.S. residents age 16 or older, Lemoine notes that “black men are less likely than white men to have contact with the police in any given year.” Only 1.5 percent of black men have more than three contacts with the police in any given year, he points out – only marginally more than the 1.2 percent of white men who do.
The Truth About Police Violence Against Black Men | Frontpage Mag
I know of 5 Dallas police officers killed at a BLM protest march. The police are killed for no reason other than hate far more than I have seen blacks unjustifiably killed by police.
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ANOTHER PARTISAN POOP THREAD BY A KNOWN RIGHT WING NUT
[Sigh! For you relatively new to DP, you may want to take note of some of the more extreme partisan posters who choose to start numerous threads just about every day.
A quick check of the link in the OP reveals it as a known extreme RIGHT WING NUT source:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/frontpage-magazine/
If you like RWNs, you'd probably like the French guy quoted in the OP.
Cheers!
I agree BLM is statistically unsound. But so too is Right Wing Whites jumping up and down about coal mining jobs. Stupid or not, both idiots have that right.
If you really want to slam his post...you really need to post numbers. How many blacks are killed by police? How many whites? We can extrapolate a lot from there.
Some posters start Partisan Poop Threads just about every day... like volsrock/(RW), LowDown/(RW) and Vetplus40/(LW). Some do it occasionally, like James972/(RW), Casca XV/(RW) AND I include myself/(LW).
When I do it, I usually do it as a farce... like stating Trump scared the poop out of Raul Castro.
This thread, begun by a known Poop Stirrer, has Loaded Words in it's thread title and the OP includes a highly slanted source.
CONCLUSION: another Partisan Poop Thread by volsrock that reeks!
MORE LOW BROW TRIPE BY DPs #1 PURVEYOR OF PARTISAN POOP. IN THIS THREAD VOLSROCK PROVIDES SUPPORTING DATA USING THE CATO INSTITUTE AS SOURCE. THE KOCH BROS CREATED AND CONTROL THE CATO INSTITUTE. IRONICALLY, VOLSROCK MAY HAVE MORE IN COMMON WITH THE STAR OF THE VIDEO THAN ANY OF YOU READING THIS POST.
Please note the "Media Bias Rating" for Resistance Media -
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/resistance-media/
This OP has a distinct RWN odor reminisent of "Project Veritas" and James O'Keefe.
Whatever blackjack.... (insert my LOL about now)... paraphrasing the expression "opinions and rectum holes.... just about everybody has one".
Using a few of my prior quotes as examples, I have a history of slamming his posts. Do you disagree he tends to have an extreme RWN perspective? I feel compelled and enjoy warning the unsuspecting readers. Peace to you and yours!
What I see here is you trying to escape providing numbers. Why do you not want to provide numbers? I am guessing you would be rushing to post these if you had them...I certainly would be. I guess you just don't have them. Which is odd. If this is such a systemic problem. It would be well documented. Why is this not?
Trippy Trekker,
You have made no argument at all about the premise of the OP.
If we're intellectually honest, it's legitimate to use a perception of bias as a prompt to look more closely at the logic and supporting 'facts' of an argument. It would be crazy to ignore a history of poor logic and low quality information from a source when evaluating its argument.
However, a perception of bias is not a justification for dismissing something out of hand. If you want to claim that the argument is false, you have to show where the data and logic it uses fall down.
You may have missed the parable growing up about the kid that kept crying "Wolf!" Cutting to the chase, I believe Black Lives Matter. Do you?
You may have missed the parable growing up about the kid that kept crying "Wolf!"...
Post #2 didn't once mention police violence against blacks. So how could it convey related data?
Just because a source may be biased does not mean that the info in that source is not accurate. So long as the numbers are backed up by valid science then the source doesn't matter. Or at least it shouldn't.
Escape what? Persuading you or others that Black Lives Really Do Matter? So I take it you do not feel the creator of the OP has an extremely RWN perspective. Good to know more clearly now where to lump you.
I agree BLM is statistically unsound. But so too is Right Wing Whites jumping up and down about coal mining jobs. Stupid or not, both idiots have that right.
Thank you for the link. I agree that the impetus behind the BLM Movement, IMO like most Movements, relies on grossly inaccurate perceptions. Nonetheless, concluding Black Lives Do Not Matter... that "BLM is just flat-out wrong" minimizes disparate treatment of Blacks by LE.
You are aware that you are changing the subject, aren't you? But I'll indulge you.
The simple statement "black lives matter" is something that no sane person could disagree with.
Agreeing with that, however, is not at all the same as agreeing that there is a significant trend toward much harsher treatment of black people by police. It may be true, but establishing it as a fact requires relevant statistics, used properly.
The reality, Lemoine declares, is that a random black male is “overwhelmingly unlikely” to be the victim of police violence, and any disparity that does exist between the violence blacks and whites experience in their encounter with cops “is consistent with the racial gap in violent crime, suggesting that the role of racial bias is small.”
According to the Washington Post, just 16 unarmed black men out of a population of more than 20 million were killed by the police in 2016 – down from 36 the year before. These figures are numerically comparable to the number of black men that could be struck by lightning in any given year, Lemoine calculates, and they include cases in which the shooting was justified, even if the person killed was unarmed.
“Police killings of black unarmed males are incredibly rare, and it’s completely misleading to talk about an ‘epidemic of them,” he writes, pointing out that the left makes a similar comparison “when they argue that it’s completely irrational to fear that you might become a victim of terrorism.”
It’s not even true that black men are beaten on a regular basis by the police, or even pulled over constantly without reason. Using data from the Police-Public Contact Survey, based on a nationally representative sample of more than 70,000 U.S. residents age 16 or older, Lemoine notes that “black men are less likely than white men to have contact with the police in any given year.” Only 1.5 percent of black men have more than three contacts with the police in any given year, he points out – only marginally more than the 1.2 percent of white men who do.
The Truth About Police Violence Against Black Men | Frontpage Mag
I know of 5 Dallas police officers killed at a BLM protest march. The police are killed for no reason other than hate far more than I have seen blacks unjustifiably killed by police.
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This is all a side track. You want to accuse me of thinking "black lives don't matter." Why? Because I asked if you could provide numbers. And you are scared to do so. You really think you need to educate me on the value of human life? Dude. I don't care what skin color you have. All that matters to me is if you are a good and respectful person. Hell...my girlfriend isn't even white. My best friend and the guy I will ask to be my best man...isn't white. My friends form Brazilian Jiu Jitsu...about half and half white and other races.
What I'm asking you to do...is provide me numbers of shootings of blacks vs whites. Why? Because the police will shoot people. You can't make that not happen. And so we need to know if there is actually a racial problem...or...as the Op suggested...is there not a problem based on numbers. If a right wing or left wing hack news site puts up 2+2 is 4...are you going to deny that as well? No. You will show the math. Why won't you now? You think you don't need to back up your claims? Or can you just not find the numbers?
See. If you backed your argument up...I would look at it. And I could decide if maybe there is a problem...or decide if maybe we need to look at each individual case...or if there is a general police training problem? Or is there an educational issue where kids don't learn to not be criminal thugs? One thing we do know is that poor whites and blacks often find themselves in trouble with the law. Which would allow us to draw some conclusions. But you don't seem to want to provide numbers for your preconceived notions (because at this point I doubt you have forumsted that opinion on anything other than what the left has told you...not what you have learned...which is ironic with your complaints.)
Thank you for the link. I agree that the impetus behind the BLM Movement, IMO like most Movements, relies on grossly inaccurate perceptions. Nonetheless, concluding Black Lives Do Not Matter... that "BLM is just flat-out wrong" minimizes disparate treatment of Blacks by LE.
Your verbosity, for me, borders on obfuscation. Re: How you treat other humans - I appreciate your color-blindness. In that respect, we have something to seize and agree upon.
You continue to promote the notion of my being too scared to provide data as evidence. Do you mean this as humor? All grins! I believe racial issues continue to have relevant significance today in the United States. Dred Scott, Plessy v. Ferguson, Brown v. Topeka Kansas Board of Education, Jim Crow Laws in the 1880s, The Civil Rights Acts of 1866, 1964, 1968... and countless other verifiable events add impetus to my beliefs.
Again, most important to me, you and I appear to have disdain for discrimination based on race and/or skin color. Progress... even if not perfection! Peace to you and yours!
I am asking you to provide numbers because it is required to counter the OP. Unfortunately, as I said, police will shoot people. And unfortunately...that number is not always going to be a perfect ratio of whites to blacks that matches the population. A small county may have 5 shootings and 3 of the incidents involved black people. Is that a problem? A racial problem? I mean without number we can't even begin to decide if this is an issue because all we get are sparse news reports on a case to case basis.
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