Trump's worst legal nightmare isn't Robert Mueller: Meet Letitia James

[upsideguy]

Yes, but that would have been much more proper (I feel)) if prosecutors did not have a "D" or an "R" behind their name. Prosecutions should be done with no regard towards political leanings IMHO.

The NY AG has historically been an equal opportunity prosecutor. You do the crime; they will spend the time.

This is about egregious corruption. Trump currently defending himself from 17 active investigations by various state and federal governmental agencies, with charges filed and people going to jail. Its a tad be disingenuous to suggest that its political.

 

[upsideguy]

Facts, Obamafail borrowed 10 trillion in just 8 yrs. Christ my dog could do a better job with 10 trillion than Obamafail did. He presided over the worst recovery in US History. The wage growth under Obamafail was in decline.

Try sticking to the facts.

Please tell us what Obama specifically did to run up the debt? What pieces of legislation did his administration push through that cost us $10T? Specifics please!

I'm thinking that you aren't understanding how the government budget process works and understand that there are legislative events that happened decades ago that caused the deficits we have today, but I could be wrong. Maybe Obama actually did something to make him responsible for this debt and you can enlighten us.

While it is a fact that the debt rose $10T during the Obama years; its only an opinion (currently unsubstantiated) that it is his fault. Please lay out your case for why he is to blame.

The stage is yours.....

 

[upsideguy]

Yes, we know. Even though Bill Clinton signed into law the bills that caused the financial bubble, everything bad that happened under Obama was Bush's fault, even in the second term. But of course, nothing Obama has done was ever bad and everything bad now is Trump's fault. Is that an accurate summary of your opinion?

:roll:

I don't want to completely go down a rabbit hole here, but if that is your understanding of the financial crisis, you don't understand the financial crisis.

 

[Lafayette]

But of course, nothing Obama has done was ever bad and everything bad now is Trump's fault. Is that an accurate summary of your opinion?

In a word, No! Like most Americans, you need a lesson in American-history because you are clearly ignorant of recent factual event-history.

What happened happened historically on Bush2's term-of-office.

And factually, it goes like this:
*Obama took office and inherited the worst recession since the 1930s stamped "The Great Recession". Which was due to the SubPrime Mess wholly accountable to the Bush Administration that did NOTHING to either prevent or remedy its consequences!
*Unemployment started skyrocketing in 2009 because of the Great Recession. It reached an historical high of 10% in 2008 - see the historical reference from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) here.
*Obama passed the ARRA-bill that spiked an exploding Unemployment Rate at 10%. See the BLS Unemployment History infographic here.
*The key data-point to see from then on is also a BLS infographic Employment-to-population Ratio, which you will find here.
*Note how it dropped precipitously in 2008 (Obama's first term in office) from 63% to 58.3% in December of 2009. And YOU THINK that because Obama was PotUS, he was to blame! (Which is the kind of ignorance that the RabidRight loves to pander!)
*Because it is was the direct consequence of the SubPrime Mess that had happened much earlier!

My Point:What had provoked the Great Recession was the SubPrime Mess that Bush2 failed to react to sufficiently during HIS REPLICANT ADMINISTRATION!

Worst yet: When the American people foolishly voted control of the HofR over to the Replicants in 2010 midterms, they then refused any further Stimulus Spending - so no new jobs were created from 2010 to February, 2014! Also seen that factual evidence graphic cited above!

Which makes your inference (that I copy above) a lot of you-know-what (called BS)!

 

[Oborosen]

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-p...htmare-isnt-robert-mueller-meet-letitia-james

The blue wave that came with the 2018 midterms was bad for President Donald Trump not only because Democrats obtained a majority in the House of Representatives (with a net gain of 40 seats) and picked up more than 350 seats in state legislatures around the United States—they were also bad for the president because of a Brooklyn native named Letitia James. On November 6, the 60-year-old Democrat was elected attorney general for New York State. And James has made it abundantly clear that after she starts her new job in January, she will launch comprehensive investigations of Trump, his family and his business associates.
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More bad news for The Donald.

Seeing as there was no such thing as a blue wave in the midterms. Your entire post is possibly just as fictitious.

After all of this time with the democrats bleating for Trumps impeachment and all this other crap. They're most likely going to fabricate more than what they've already tried to do. In order to make a dent in him at this point.

 

[Oborosen]

In a word, No! Like most Americans, you need a lesson in American-history because you are clearly ignorant of recent factual event-history.

What happened happened historically on Bush2's term-of-office.

And factually, it goes like this:
*Obama took office and inherited the worst recession since the 1930s stamped "The Great Recession". Which was due to the SubPrime Mess wholly accountable to the Bush Administration that did NOTHING to either prevent or remedy its consequences!
*Unemployment started skyrocketing in 2009 because of the Great Recession. It reached an historical high of 10% in 2008 - see the historical reference from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) here.
*Obama passed the ARRA-bill that spiked an exploding Unemployment Rate at 10%. See the BLS Unemployment History infographic here.
*The key data-point to see from then on is also a BLS infographic Employment-to-population Ratio, which you will find here.
*Note how it dropped precipitously in 2008 (Obama's first term in office) from 63% to 58.3% in December of 2009. And YOU THINK that because Obama was PotUS, he was to blame! (Which is the kind of ignorance that the RabidRight loves to pander!)
*Because it is was the direct consequence of the SubPrime Mess that had happened much earlier!

My Point:What had provoked the Great Recession was the SubPrime Mess that Bush2 failed to react to sufficiently during HIS REPLICANT ADMINISTRATION!

Worst yet: When the American people foolishly voted control of the HofR over to the Replicants in 2010 midterms, they then refused any further Stimulus Spending - so no new jobs were created from 2010 to February, 2014! Also seen that factual evidence graphic cited above!

Which makes your inference (that I copy above) a lot of you-know-what (called BS)!

We get it, orange man bad.

Please skip this dialogue so I can sell you my junk and by the next round of potions for tonight's raid.

 

[Oborosen]

Yes, we know. Even though Bill Clinton signed into law the bills that caused the financial bubble, everything bad that happened under Obama was Bush's fault, even in the second term. But of course, nothing Obama has done was ever bad and everything bad now is Trump's fault. Is that an accurate summary of your opinion?

:roll:

Even if you don't like Trump, it's impossible to miss any of this as a fact of history.

 

[Oborosen]

I agree. However, she is picking up several on-going investigations where probable cause has already been established. You do want your AG to root out and prosecute corruption and similar crimes when they rear their ugly heads, do you not?

We tried rooting for it and then they let Hillary walk on something that was a blatant crime. With obvious evidence of wrong doing and attempts to cover it up. Not only that, but they decided to not do anything against her before the investigation began in earnest.

Now that the system is going to be hijacked once again, for what is most definitely political reasons. It's viewed as more of a detriment to our system, than a boon at this point.

Most of us are sick of it.

 

[upsideguy]

We tried rooting for it and then they let Hillary walk on something that was a blatant crime. With obvious evidence of wrong doing and attempts to cover it up. Not only that, but they decided to not do anything against her before the investigation began in earnest.

Now that the system is going to be hijacked once again, for what is most definitely political reasons. It's viewed as more of a detriment to our system, than a boon at this point.

Most of us are sick of it.

It was duly investigated and deemed not worthy of pursuit. The fact it was investigated and re-investigated cost her the Presidency.

Anything you can accuse Clinton of you hang on Trump with the consequence and threat to national security 10-fold worse. Sorry you don't have Hillary to kick around anymore.... sorry no one cares about Benghazi (but they never did...but your party sure was good at getting lots of mileage out of it). Now that you have real and obvious corruption; real and obvious obstruction of justice and real and obvious mismanagement in Washington to the point is is weakening us as a nation, your side seems to have lost all interest in rule of law. Show us your outrage at the current situation and maybe people will care about Hillary, but no one is interested in enabling your denials about the current existential to our nation by indulging you in your weak whataboutisms.

 

[Buzz62]

Tax fraud in New York State. Parties in power usually lose seats in mid terms. Largely a product of number of seats that have to be defended and in what states. Obama was a two term President. Trump will certainly be a one term mistake. History will treat Obama kindly. Trump will be rated by history as the worst president, setting the bar for worst presidents to a new low.

Only if you write history. Do you?

 

[Buzz62]

In a word, No! Like most Americans, you need a lesson in American-history because you are clearly ignorant of recent factual event-history.

What happened happened historically on Bush2's term-of-office.

And factually, it goes like this:
*Obama took office and inherited the worst recession since the 1930s stamped "The Great Recession". Which was due to the SubPrime Mess wholly accountable to the Bush Administration that did NOTHING to either prevent or remedy its consequences!
*Unemployment started skyrocketing in 2009 because of the Great Recession. It reached an historical high of 10% in 2008 - see the historical reference from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) here.
*Obama passed the ARRA-bill that spiked an exploding Unemployment Rate at 10%. See the BLS Unemployment History infographic here.
*The key data-point to see from then on is also a BLS infographic Employment-to-population Ratio, which you will find here.
*Note how it dropped precipitously in 2008 (Obama's first term in office) from 63% to 58.3% in December of 2009. And YOU THINK that because Obama was PotUS, he was to blame! (Which is the kind of ignorance that the RabidRight loves to pander!)
*Because it is was the direct consequence of the SubPrime Mess that had happened much earlier!

My Point:...

This is true, for the most part. The Bush years were a complete and utter failure.
Deregulate everything and face the "crisis" brought forth by 9/11.
Distract the hell outta everyone, while you steel all the cookies in the cookie jar.
Then near the end, go..."Oh gee I'm sorry. OK we'll stop rapin' the economy now. Here's some of your own money, attached to a debt that can never be paid, just to make you feel better about this. Bye Y'all…" :lamo
Obama's actions and perpetuation of Bush's last stand...did keep the American economy from falling to complete ****. At the cost of a debt that can never be paid back...ever. OOPS! Does that sound like maybe it wasn't the best course of action? :doh

I believe one would need to be walkin' around with a nail in their skull not to see this decade of stupidity for what it was. America was "burglarized".

The result...Donald J Trump. THAT'S how mad the public is and was about realizing their elected officials had sold their country, to a bunch of bankers and … oh ya … the Chinese. Ohhh and then there's all the American soldiers who got shot up...anyway, I think you get the picture.

I'm pretty darn sure Trump himself, was as surprised as anyone that he actually won. The choice was, more of the same ol' same ol', or something completely different...and completely different won. Honestly people...especially you emotionally scared Libbies...do you not clearly see just WHO is actually ****ing y'all sideways here??? Come on people...wakey wakey!

Half of the US population voted for DIFFERENT! This is most definitely DIFFERENT! Allot of people believe that wall must be built. I don't blame them. Allot of people believe Globalism has inflicted nothing but financial misery on the middle class. Allot of people believe that endless wars in the ME and Afghanistan, are a bad thing. And people are not really interested in taking yet another hit financially, just to satisfy Al Gore and his sideways science.

All of these issues that Trump opposes, are deeply believed in issues of the left. But the left...lost. So they have spent over 2 years now, both Democrat and Republican, to destroy him. Again...this should be rather clear to everybody, both Democrat and Republican. "We the people" want DIFFERENT! And those who have screwed all of you for so very long, have convinced the OTHER half of the American public, that Trump must go...by ANY means available.

To me...it looks like someone's got all of America...chasing it's tail. Be careful people. Remember what happened the last time you were all distracted.

 

[Myview]

Only if you write history. Do you?

How can a Canadian like Trump? Stay on the forum. We will get to see who gets the last amusement. People who continue to support Trump at this point will not change their minds no matter what happens. I suspect most of the locations on profiles are fictitious. Canadians don't generally like Trump who said America owned Canada and made a mistake by giving it back, also said he would punish Canadians, made fun of Canadian Health care. Evil socialism although there are no people without health care in Canada. Also said Canada costs the US too much. Also made fun of your leader. Guess you agree with all that if you truly are Canadian.

 

[Buzz62]

How can a Canadian like Trump? Stay on the forum. We will get to see who gets the last amusement. People who continue to support Trump at this point will not change their minds no matter what happens. I suspect most of the locations on profiles are fictitious. Canadians don't generally like Trump who said America owned Canada and made a mistake by giving it back, also said he would punish Canadians, made fun of Canadian Health care. Evil socialism although there are no people without health care in Canada. Also said Canada costs the US too much. Also made fun of your leader. Guess you agree with all that if you truly are Canadian.

Well I am Canadian. Deal with it.
And then you can answer my question.
Do you write history?

 

[upsideguy]

Tax fraud in New York State. Parties in power usually lose seats in mid terms. Largely a product of number of seats that have to be defended and in what states. Obama was a two term President. Trump will certainly be a one term mistake. History will treat Obama kindly. Trump will be rated by history as the worst president, setting the bar for worst presidents to a new low.

Only if you write history. Do you?

He doesn't need to write history, there are other informed and scholarly people do that.....

.....and look, Myview's prophecy is already here. Obama is already considered one of America's upper tier Presidents, while Trump is dead last...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States

 

[upsideguy]

Even if you don't like Trump, it's impossible to miss any of this as a fact of history.

....except his post does not contain a single fact. It is entirely unsubstantiated opinion.

 

[Buzz62]

He doesn't need to write history, there are other informed and scholarly people do that.....

.....and look, Myview's prophecy is already here. Obama is already considered one of America's upper tier Presidents, while Trump is dead last...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States

I see that.
Worst President since World War II:
Donald Trump (41%)
Barack Obama (21%)
Richard Nixon (10%)
Jimmy Carter (8%)
George W. Bush (6%)
Bill Clinton (4%)
Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (2%)
Ronald Reagan (tie) (2%)
Gerald R. Ford (1%)
Harry S. Truman (tie) (<1%)
Dwight Eisenhower (tie) (<1%)
John F. Kennedy (tie) (<1%)
George H.W. Bush (tie) (<1%)

Barry's second too.
Huh...people have short memories, and The Donald is still POTUS. Not terribly historical yet.

 

[Born Free]

Yes, government borrowing has been historically growing regardless of the PotUS in the Oval Office:

Which is why the National Debt increases every year of every administration as shown above. It got very much worse when the Great Depression started in 2008 (thanks to a Replicant PotUS called "Bush").

Any country that wants to play war-games (so that it makes DoD-contractors rich) deserves the humongous borrowing debt that is eventually left growing in its wake ...

Trouble is, under Obamafail, he doubled the national by 10 trillion in just 8 yrs and he borrowed more than all the presidents before him combined.

 

[Born Free]

While it is a fact that the debt rose $10T during the Obama years

I agree that is a fact.

It's only an opinion (currently unsubstantiated) that it is his fault. Please lay out your case for why he is to blame.

He presided over the worst recovery in US History. And borrowed and spent 10 trillion doubling the national debt to achieve the great accomplishment of the worst recovery in US History.

 

[Lafayette]

Trouble is, under Obamafail, he doubled the national by 10 trillion in just 8 yrs and he borrowed more than all the presidents before him combined.

YOU OMIT THE CAUSE!

Do you remember that in 2008, Bush-the-lesser handed Obama a first-class recession, Or, were you born just after?!?

Go here, and click on "Max" and you will find that long-term debt in the US has been growing since 1976! What happened in 2008 was because of the SubPrime Mess that occurred under a Replicant AdminIstration.

You get an "F" for American economic history ... !

 

[Oborosen]

It was duly investigated and deemed not worthy of pursuit. The fact it was investigated and re-investigated cost her the Presidency.

Anything you can accuse Clinton of you hang on Trump with the consequence and threat to national security 10-fold worse. Sorry you don't have Hillary to kick around anymore.... sorry no one cares about Benghazi (but they never did...but your party sure was good at getting lots of mileage out of it). Now that you have real and obvious corruption; real and obvious obstruction of justice and real and obvious mismanagement in Washington to the point is is weakening us as a nation, your side seems to have lost all interest in rule of law. Show us your outrage at the current situation and maybe people will care about Hillary, but no one is interested in enabling your denials about the current existential to our nation by indulging you in your weak whataboutisms.

It's too bad you lack common knowledge of me, seeing as I was still a democrat even before such an investigation ended and many of us had problems with how she was treated with kid gloves, despite how obvious it was that she broke the law and tried to cover it up.

Do you not see how it looks, when people like you just let what happened when she got to slide on all of that. Yet you just so happen to start pointing your finger and scream corruption, when it's not your team that's being investigated?

Do you not see how hypocritical that makes you look?

 

[Oborosen]

....except his post does not contain a single fact. It is entirely unsubstantiated opinion.

Then I offer you the chance to supply facts to oppose his opinion.

 

[Born Free]

YOU OMIT THE CAUSE!

Do you remember that in 2008, Bush-the-lesser handed Obama a first-class recession, Or, were you born just after?!?

Go here, and click on "Max" and you will find that long-term debt in the US has been growing since 1976! What happened in 2008 was because of the SubPrime Mess that occurred under a Replicant AdminIstration.

You get an "F" for American economic history ... !

Yeah the cause was Obamafail who borrowed 10 trillion in just 8 yrs, more than ALL THE PRESIDENTS BEFORE HIM. And doubled the national debt. And worse yet he presided over the worst recover in US History.

 

[Lafayette]

Yeah the cause was Obamafail who borrowed 10 trillion in just 8 yrs, more than ALL THE PRESIDENTS BEFORE HIM. And doubled the national debt. And worse yet he presided over the worst recover in US History.

Somebody had to balance the budget and because a Replicant Congress would not do so by expanding taxation, Obama had to borrow.

His borrowing was not any different than in the past and had no effect whatsoever on the long-term rise of US debt in order to Balance the budget. Even Donald Dork must borrow to balance the budget - especially since he reduced upper-income taxation for his super-rich buddies ...

 

[Born Free]

Somebody had to balance the budget and because a Replicant Congress would not do so by expanding taxation, Obama had to borrow.

His borrowing was not any different than in the past and had no effect whatsoever on the long-term rise of US debt in order to Balance the budget. Even Donald Dork must borrow to balance the budget - especially since he reduced upper-income taxation for his super-rich buddies ...

His borrowing was 10 trillion in just 8 yrs, and it was more than all the presidents before him combined. And in doing so he doubled the national debt. And the worst part was Obamafail presided over the worst economic recovery in US history.

Sorry but what Obamafail did was the only time it ever happened in US History. And you say Obamafail's borrowing was not any different than in the past. Does naive mean anything to you??