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Trump's a Massive Liar but his lies about his position on the Iraq War are Gargantuan

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Yesterday, Trump said Obama "founded" ISIS and re-iterated his colossal lie about his opposition to the Iraq War before the war started. Here's the truth about this lying POS:
Donald Trump and the Iraq War

Highlights:

"There is no evidence that we could find, however, that he spoke against the war before it started, although we did find he expressed early concerns about the cost and direction of the war a few months after it started.
Others have looked, but no one else — including PolitiFact and the Washington Post Fact Checker — has been able to find any evidence to support his claims, either. Now, BuzzFeed reports that Trump indicated his support for war in a radio interview with shock jock Howard Stern on Sept. 11, 2002 — a little more than six months before the war started.
Stern asked Trump directly if he supported going to war with Iraq, and Trump hesitantly responded, “Yeah, I guess so.” "

"Jan. 28, 2003: Trump appears on Fox Business’ “Your World with Neil Cavuto,” on the night of President Bush’s State of the Union address. Trump says he expects to hear “a lot of talk about Iraq and the problems,” and the economy. He urges Bush to make a decision on Iraq. “Either you attack or you don’t attack,” he says. But he offers no opinion on what Bush should do. "

Two days after the invasion:
"March 21, 2003: Neil Cavuto of Fox Business interviews Trump about the impact of the Iraq war on the stock market. Trump says the war “looks like a tremendous success from a military standpoint,” and he predicts the market will “go up like a rocket” after the war. But Cavuto does not ask Trump whether the U.S. should have gone to war with Iraq and Trump doesn’t offer an opinion."

Even in July, when it was becoming obvious that the war was arleady not going as advertised, Trump's only concern was the financial cost not the adverse consequences of a failed war in the region:

"July 1, 2003: Trump appears on “Hardball with Chris Matthews” and expresses concern about money being spent in Iraq rather than in the U.S. He made his comment when he was asked about a quote Trump gave in February 2000 about the possibility of running for president."

And as late as Dec. 2003, Trump was praising the fall of Saddam:

"Dec. 15, 2003: Neil Cavuto of Fox Business interviews Trump two days after the capture of Iraq President Saddam Hussein. Hussein was captured on Dec. 13, 2003, a Saturday when the markets were closed. Trump says Hussein’s capture was a “great thing” for the country, but he mentions that “a lot of people [are] questioning” the wisdom of going to war with Iraq in the first place."--Note: even then he refers to "a lot of people" instead of his own views, a habit he still loves today.

I know it's part of the rightwing's value system to elevate and encourage lying at all levels of their politics but it's always good to review just how dedicated they are to the lie.
 
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Yesterday, Trump said Obama "founded" ISIS and re-iterated his colossal lie about his opposition to the Iraq War before the war started. Here's the truth about this lying POS:
Donald Trump and the Iraq War

Highlights:

"There is no evidence that we could find, however, that he spoke against the war before it started, although we did find he expressed early concerns about the cost and direction of the war a few months after it started.
Others have looked, but no one else — including PolitiFact and the Washington Post Fact Checker — has been able to find any evidence to support his claims, either. Now, BuzzFeed reports that Trump indicated his support for war in a radio interview with shock jock Howard Stern on Sept. 11, 2002 — a little more than six months before the war started.
Stern asked Trump directly if he supported going to war with Iraq, and Trump hesitantly responded, “Yeah, I guess so.” "

"Jan. 28, 2003: Trump appears on Fox Business’ “Your World with Neil Cavuto,” on the night of President Bush’s State of the Union address. Trump says he expects to hear “a lot of talk about Iraq and the problems,” and the economy. He urges Bush to make a decision on Iraq. “Either you attack or you don’t attack,” he says. But he offers no opinion on what Bush should do. "

Two days after the invasion:
"March 21, 2003: Neil Cavuto of Fox Business interviews Trump about the impact of the Iraq war on the stock market. Trump says the war “looks like a tremendous success from a military standpoint,” and he predicts the market will “go up like a rocket” after the war. But Cavuto does not ask Trump whether the U.S. should have gone to war with Iraq and Trump doesn’t offer an opinion."

Even in July, when it was becoming obvious that the war was arleady not going as advertised, Trump's only concern was the financial cost not the adverse consequences of a failed war in the region:

"July 1, 2003: Trump appears on “Hardball with Chris Matthews” and expresses concern about money being spent in Iraq rather than in the U.S. He made his comment when he was asked about a quote Trump gave in February 2000 about the possibility of running for president."

And as late as Dec. 2003, Trump was praising the fall of Saddam:

"Dec. 15, 2003: Neil Cavuto of Fox Business interviews Trump two days after the capture of Iraq President Saddam Hussein. Hussein was captured on Dec. 13, 2003, a Saturday when the markets were closed. Trump says Hussein’s capture was a “great thing” for the country, but he mentions that “a lot of people [are] questioning” the wisdom of going to war with Iraq in the first place."--Note: even then he refers to "a lot of people" instead of his own views, a habit he still loves today.

I know it's part of the rightwing's value system to elevate and encourage lying at all levels of their politics but it's always good to review just how dedicated they are to the lie.

Do you really think it's just right-wingers that lie?

Have you ever heard about Hillary Clinton?
 
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Another thing in reference to Iraq, which should be especially alarming, but which didn't get near enough play is that Trump blasted Hillary for voting in favor of that war, but thensaid his running mate's vote for that same war didn't matter. Unfortunately the journalist doing the interview at the time was too stunned to properly follow that up and hold his feet to the fire over it and no one has bothered to hold him accountable for it in any meaningful way since.

However one feels about the Bush/Cheney administration's decision to invade Iraq, the blunt hypocrisy that Trump is unapologetically willing to engage in should have everyone's hair standing on end.

I don't think Trump cared or cares a wit about that war except how it affected his finances. Does anyone doubt that he wishes he would have received the no-bid contacts that Halliburton received and that he would have gleefully taken that money and done the work?
 
Re: Trump's a Massive Liar but his lies about his position on the Iraq War are Gargan

Do you really think it's just right-wingers that lie?

Have you ever heard about Hillary Clinton?

Is it possible for you to address the questions that arise based on what the OP wrote? Hillary's been grilled for the last 25 years by the GOP; a quarter century of crying wolf by making false accusations and conducting disingenuous investigations, none of which have ever resulted in a fine or indictment. At this point, until she's found guilty of something, the only reasonable thing to do is wait and see if anything like that actually occurs. So in the meantime, what about Trump?
 
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Re: Trump's a Massive Liar but his lies about his position on the Iraq War are Gargan

Yesterday, Trump said Obama "founded" ISIS and re-iterated his colossal lie about his opposition to the Iraq War before the war started. Here's the truth about this lying POS:
Donald Trump and the Iraq War

Highlights:

"There is no evidence that we could find, however, that he spoke against the war before it started, although we did find he expressed early concerns about the cost and direction of the war a few months after it started.
Others have looked, but no one else — including PolitiFact and the Washington Post Fact Checker — has been able to find any evidence to support his claims, either. Now, BuzzFeed reports that Trump indicated his support for war in a radio interview with shock jock Howard Stern on Sept. 11, 2002 — a little more than six months before the war started.
Stern asked Trump directly if he supported going to war with Iraq, and Trump hesitantly responded, “Yeah, I guess so.” "

"Jan. 28, 2003: Trump appears on Fox Business’ “Your World with Neil Cavuto,” on the night of President Bush’s State of the Union address. Trump says he expects to hear “a lot of talk about Iraq and the problems,” and the economy. He urges Bush to make a decision on Iraq. “Either you attack or you don’t attack,” he says. But he offers no opinion on what Bush should do. "

Two days after the invasion:
"March 21, 2003: Neil Cavuto of Fox Business interviews Trump about the impact of the Iraq war on the stock market. Trump says the war “looks like a tremendous success from a military standpoint,” and he predicts the market will “go up like a rocket” after the war. But Cavuto does not ask Trump whether the U.S. should have gone to war with Iraq and Trump doesn’t offer an opinion."

Even in July, when it was becoming obvious that the war was arleady not going as advertised, Trump's only concern was the financial cost not the adverse consequences of a failed war in the region:

"July 1, 2003: Trump appears on “Hardball with Chris Matthews” and expresses concern about money being spent in Iraq rather than in the U.S. He made his comment when he was asked about a quote Trump gave in February 2000 about the possibility of running for president."

And as late as Dec. 2003, Trump was praising the fall of Saddam:

"Dec. 15, 2003: Neil Cavuto of Fox Business interviews Trump two days after the capture of Iraq President Saddam Hussein. Hussein was captured on Dec. 13, 2003, a Saturday when the markets were closed. Trump says Hussein’s capture was a “great thing” for the country, but he mentions that “a lot of people [are] questioning” the wisdom of going to war with Iraq in the first place."--Note: even then he refers to "a lot of people" instead of his own views, a habit he still loves today.

I know it's part of the rightwing's value system to elevate and encourage lying at all levels of their politics but it's always good to review just how dedicated they are to the lie.

Obama in 2011 bragged about Iraq being " stable, Democratic and Sovereign ", amd then he pulled out all US forces and did NOTHING as ISIS ran roughshod through once liberted Iraqi cities killing men, women and children.

Trumps right on the money .
 
Re: Trump's a Massive Liar but his lies about his position on the Iraq War are Gargan

This thread is VERY poor form.

The distinctions between the candidates have been set and quite clear for a while. Trump is the buffoon, walking gaffe, unethical businessman, and bigoted blowhard. Hillary Clinton is the lying and corrupt insider. Once we start allowing either candidate to move in on the other's turf it totally screws up the well established narratives an this whole election cycle will get thrown into chaos.
 
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Obama tells Romney his position on leaving US troops behind in Iraq
 
Re: Trump's a Massive Liar but his lies about his position on the Iraq War are Gargan

Is it possible for you to address the questions that arise based on what the OP wrote? Hillary's been grilled for the last 25 years by the GOP; a quarter century of crying wolf by making false accusations and conducting disingenuous investigations, none of which have ever resulted in a fine or indictment. At this point, until she's found guilty of something, the only reasonable thing to do is wait and see if anything like that actually occurs. So in the meantime, what about Trump?

What questions? The only thing original the OP wrote was, "I know it's part of the rightwing's value system to elevate and encourage lying at all levels of their politics but it's always good to review just how dedicated they are to the lie."

It just a partisan bait thread destined to end in back and forth insults.
 
Re: Trump's a Massive Liar but his lies about his position on the Iraq War are Gargan

This thread is VERY poor form.

The distinctions between the candidates have been set and quite clear for a while. Trump is the buffoon, walking gaffe, unethical businessman, and bigoted blowhard. Hillary Clinton is the lying and corrupt insider. Once we start allowing either candidate to move in on the other's turf it totally screws up the well established narratives an this whole election cycle will get thrown into chaos.

One has some dangling stuff between thier legs and one doesn't?
 
Re: Trump's a Massive Liar but his lies about his position on the Iraq War are Gargan

Do you really think it's just right-wingers that lie?

Have you ever heard about Hillary Clinton?

Molehill and mountain. It's a matter of degree.

You're going to have a really hard time finding a politician who doesn't lie, and some do lie quite a bit more than others...but never in my life have I seen ANY politician lie as much or as demonstrably poorly as Trump does.

Please try to refrain from falling into the trap of using false equivalencies.
 
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Do you really think it's just right-wingers that lie?

Have you ever heard about Hillary Clinton?

Oh, I'm certainly aware of the FACT that there are far, far more lies ABOUT Clinton from rightwing liars than she may have ever told. If you want a world in which no politician has ever told a lie, you'll need to create it in your imagination.
 
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After the vacuum of Iraq, there was Libya which I know were air strikes but I am sure there were arming of a group that followed American interests. The same thing happened with Syria. We armed the rebels, and we even hired mercenaries, to fight the establishment of Syria, Hassad I believe. Well, considering all the hardware we left after the Iraq war, meaning mortars, humvies, what-have-you - compounded with the fact that we armed these groups of people, they eventually started to control and learned how to refine oil. This oil is even bought today by western nations, the very nations they have attacked. And ISIL is born. Weapons manufacturer's dream, no? We are spending money to financially aid your enemy that you are being paid to blow up.

In essence, Obama did start ISIL, but it wasn't his intention.
 
Re: Trump's a Massive Liar but his lies about his position on the Iraq War are Gargan

This thread is VERY poor form.

The distinctions between the candidates have been set and quite clear for a while. Trump is the buffoon, walking gaffe, unethical businessman, and bigoted blowhard. Hillary Clinton is the lying and corrupt insider. Once we start allowing either candidate to move in on the other's turf it totally screws up the well established narratives an this whole election cycle will get thrown into chaos.

Yeah, the old trick of trying to make both sides equal. It's a favorite of the MSM. Only, this time there's no equivalency whatsoever. And the rightwing certainly has no standing to any righteous indignation about a candidate who lies. But Trump goes far beyond even the rightwing tolerance for lying. He is a proto-fascist. That is now clear. He seems clownish but he's no clown. He's a very serious, clear and present danger to this country.

Oh, and you should be the last person to be pontificating about "form."
 
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After the vacuum of Iraq, there was Libya which I know were air strikes but I am sure there were arming of a group that followed American interests. The same thing happened with Syria. We armed the rebels, and we even hired mercenaries, to fight the establishment of Syria, Hassad I believe. Well, considering all the hardware we left after the Iraq war, meaning mortars, humvies, what-have-you - compounded with the fact that we armed these groups of people, they eventually started to control and learned how to refine oil. This oil is even bought today by western nations, the very nations they have attacked. And ISIL is born. Weapons manufacturer's dream, no? We are spending money to financially aid your enemy that you are being paid to blow up.

In essence, Obama did start ISIL, but it wasn't his intention.

Do you even know who the core founding members of ISIL were? They were Sunni Iraqi army officers who were ignored and ostracized from the Iraqi military during the Bush Catastrophe there. ISIL was born long before Obama came into office. They made their first marks in the terrible bombing, IED and shooting attacks that plagued both the US military and terrorized the Iraqi population from early on in our occupation of that country. Tell me: Did you support a continuous, never-ending US military presence in the region? IOW, no pullout ever, even though the Iraqi government demand it?
How Saddam's fighters help Islamic State rule
 
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Obama in 2011 bragged about Iraq being " stable, Democratic and Sovereign ", amd then he pulled out all US forces and did NOTHING as ISIS ran roughshod through once liberted Iraqi cities killing men, women and children.

Trumps right on the money .

Oh, it's all about the money. You got something right for once. Notice in the summary of Trump's comments about the war before and after it started had only to do with how the war might affect his finances. But to the point of Obama completing the pull out of US forces (started during the Bush years and demanded by the Iraqi government) what was your alternative? How many troops would you have left in Iraq and how many of them dead would you take responsibility for?
 
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Oh, I'm certainly aware of the FACT that there are far, far more lies ABOUT Clinton from rightwing liars than she may have ever told. If you want a world in which no politician has ever told a lie, you'll need to create it in your imagination.

Perhaps this will help you.



Not at all like the bombasting. It's lying about actual facts.

But then again, perhaps it won't help you.
 
Re: Trump's a Massive Liar but his lies about his position on the Iraq War are Gargan

Oh, it's all about the money. You got something right for once. Notice in the summary of Trump's comments about the war before and after it started had only to do with how the war might affect his finances. But to the point of Obama completing the pull out of US forces (started during the Bush years and demanded by the Iraqi government) what was your alternative? How many troops would you have left in Iraq and how many of them dead would you take responsibility for?

The standard is that Obama should have been able to clean up the Republican mess in Iraq without a hitch. Here's how:

1. He should have dishonored the agreement made by the U.S. government with the Iraqi government and kept 150,000 troops there.
2. He should have upped the intelligence apparatus in Iraq to be on the lookout for potential new terrorist groups, or his intelligence should have been able to predict that ISIS was going to become what it did.
2A: Based on that, we should have been capable of stopping it before it began
3. Obama should have also made sure that American soldiers didn't get killed while exercising 1 & 2
4. He should have made sure no money was spent on 1 & 2.
5. Etcetera

In short, the bar isn't just set at one high place. It's a movable bar that is continually raised. For example, ISIS has suffered tremendous losses, been pushed back, and they are, for U.S. purposes, contained (while suffering minimal American losses in the process). But that's still an utter failure because ISIS has not become totally nonexistent.
 
Re: Trump's a Massive Liar but his lies about his position on the Iraq War are Gargan

The standard is that Obama should have been able to clean up the Republican mess in Iraq without a hitch. Here's how:

1. He should have dishonored the agreement made by the U.S. government with the Iraqi government and kept 150,000 troops there.
2. He should have upped the intelligence apparatus in Iraq to be on the lookout for potential new terrorist groups, or his intelligence should have been able to predict that ISIS was going to become what it did.
2A: Based on that, we should have been capable of stopping it before it began
3. Obama should have also made sure that American soldiers didn't get killed while exercising 1 & 2
4. He should have made sure no money was spent on 1 & 2.
5. Etcetera

In short, the bar isn't just set at one high place. It's a movable bar that is continually raised. For example, ISIS has suffered tremendous losses, been pushed back, and they are, for U.S. purposes, contained (while suffering minimal American losses in the process). But that's still an utter failure because ISIS has not become totally nonexistent.

And, then, of course, take the blame alone for the thousands of US deaths and yet another failure of military intervention.
 
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Perhaps this will help you.



Not at all like the bombasting. It's lying about actual facts.

But then again, perhaps it won't help you.


Comey's just about the worst back up you could have picked. In his congressional testimony he said things that he completely reversed on in his comments on July 5 and thereafter. But, of course, it's just that duplicity that would make him a "trusted" rightwing source.
 
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Comey's just about the worst back up you could have picked. In his congressional testimony he said things that he completely reversed on in his comments on July 5 and thereafter. But, of course, it's just that duplicity that would make him a "trusted" rightwing source.

The Clinton Crime family got to him, of course he changed his tune, now we can add witness tampering to the litany of charges that should be brought up against Hillary.
 
Re: Trump's a Massive Liar but his lies about his position on the Iraq War are Gargan

Comey's just about the worst back up you could have picked. In his congressional testimony he said things that he completely reversed on in his comments on July 5 and thereafter. But, of course, it's just that duplicity that would make him a "trusted" rightwing source.

Your diversion away from how terribly Hillary lied about the whole thing is noted.

Before you is video of Comey's press statement and video of Hillary's lies, yet you don't accept what's before you own very eyes.
Perhaps your eyes are blinded by partisanship or something?
 
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The Clinton Crime family got to him, of course he changed his tune, now we can add witness tampering to the litany of charges that should be brought up against Hillary.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and credit you with an attempt at satire with that comment. A failed attempt to be sure but certainly couldn't be considered a serious idea.
 
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Your diversion away from how terribly Hillary lied about the whole thing is noted.

Before you is video of Comey's press statement and video of Hillary's lies, yet you don't accept what's before you own very eyes.
Perhaps your eyes are blinded by partisanship or something?

Even your beloved republican flying monkeys in congress couldn't come up with anything on Hillary in either of their kangaroo "investigations" (i.e., Benghazi and the emails). And it's hilarious that you think you're not partisan because that comment indicated rampant hyperpartisanism.
 
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Even your beloved republican flying monkeys in congress couldn't come up with anything on Hillary in either of their kangaroo "investigations" (i.e., Benghazi and the emails). And it's hilarious that you think you're not partisan because that comment indicated rampant hyperpartisanism.

Sorry, but that laughable. Your statement is laughable and without any credibility.

The video proof of Hillary's lies are obvious even to the casual observer. There's nothing partisan in that. These two people said exactly what the video recorded them saying. Nothing of the 'republican flying monkeys in congress' had a single thing to do with what these two people said.

'republican flying monkeys in congress', a derogatory diversion from the facts of the video, diversion from unfavorable facts from the left yet again, this is about all they do anymore, just have to look at the media coverage.

So what of the Democratic 'flying monkeys' in congress who are endorsing a know pathological liar and center of many multiple swirls of corruption?
Someone who put her SoS office up for sale in the form of 'donations' to the Clinton Foundation? Yes, Quid pro quo. Documented in emails leaked by WikiLeaks.
So what the other Democratic flying monkeys who have spoken similar gun and murder loaded political statements but aren't called on by the biased flying monkeys in the news media?

You're a progressive. Fine.

How about policing your side of the aisle and your 'flying monkeys' for a change? Seems you've let them lose out of the cage for along time already.
Once you got that in better shape, then you might have some credibility chasing after others with your finger wagging.
 
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