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Trump went 'ballistic' and 'scrambled' to figure out what to do next after having his Twitter account banned

code1211 said:
"It was building up for four years". What is "it"?
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Alt-reich boldness under Trump's tacit approval. "Very fine people." Whenever he said something like that, they cheered and celebrated. Proud Boys membership swelled exponentially right after he told them to "stand back and stand by." The few times he said anything in opposition to white nationalism, they just took it to mean he had to say that for optics but didn't really mean it. If he seriously didn't know this was happening then he was willfully ignorant. Maybe he should have read his PDBs. But I'm convinced he knew exactly what he was doing.

code1211 said:
Seems like there is a very large number of people with a very real amount of rage based on frustration.

Also seems like this frustration and rage has been very apparent for the last several years- maybe a decade or more. The general feeling of the American people regarding race relations went south around 2012.

There seem to be many, many people from all points on the political spectrum who are demonstrating that they are mad as hell and they're not going to take it anymore.

Leftists seem to like to blame Trump for ALL of it.

Why?

news.gallup.com

Race Relations

Overall, how satisfied are you with your life -- are you very satisfied, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied, or very dissatisfied? Next we'd like to know how you feel about the way various groups in society are treated. For each of the following groups please say whether you are very...
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Trayvon Martin was killed in 2012, which was then followed by a few dozen other black Americans dying on camera at the hands of police under dubious (at best) circumstances. So I agree race relations were already getting worse before Trump, but he stoked the flames into a bonfire with his tacit approval of militant Confederates.
 
Aunt Antifa said:
What was planned? Why was it planned? What was the action the planners wanted to take, and what info were they working off of?
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I was not a part of the planning.

You are asking the wrong person.

In passing, the person you blame for this, like almost everything else you blame him for, was also not a part of the planning.

It seems there was absolutely NOTHING that could have been done to more thoroughly work AGAINST Trump than what was done.

Does this raise any question in your mind at all? Any? At all?
 
code1211 said:
I was not a part of the planning.

You are asking the wrong person.

In passing, the person you blame for this, like almost everything else you blame him for, was also not a part of the planning.

It seems there was absolutely NOTHING that could have been done to more thoroughly work AGAINST Trump than what was done.

Does this raise any question in your mind at all? Any? At all?
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Except he asked them to be there and do what was done.

He has spent the last 4 years saying and doing things that are insanely self-destructive, and the reason he keeps doing it is because he’s spent his life doing that. Previously his money and lawyers shielded him from the worst consequences. Now he has Republican voters.
 
Mashmont said:
The main question that comes to mind is why would a ‘senior advisor’ talk to a Marxist rag like Politico? That makes one doubt this phony story
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Trumps minions are talking and jumping ship.

Azar just resigned yesterday.
 
code1211 said:
Biden acting on the orders of Obama, is the one that exacted the quid pro quo out of Ukraine.
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If he was acting on behalf of the President... then how is it a quid pro quo?
 
code1211 said:
It's interesting that you are endorsing the suppression of free speech.

Is that really your intent?
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The President is free to speak all he wants. He has at his ready more power to express that speech than perhaps anyone else in the world.

No one has the right to use some one else's private platform for that speech.
 
ElChupacabra said:
I was referring to the content on Parler. As to the bolded, what conservative has been lynched? A rather absurd comparison given this country's use of lynching.
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It's the same metaphorical lynching as called out by Clarence Thomas during his unfair treatment at the hands of the unfair and hate filled racists of the Democrat Party.
 
code1211 said:
It's the same metaphorical lynching as called out by Clarence Thomas during his unfair treatment at the hands of the unfair and hate filled racists of the Democrat Party.
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No, because in the Parler case the issue was a lack of content moderation. Amazon cited content which specifically violates their terms of service; namely the posts advocating violence and death threats. For example, if the service hosting this forum catches wind that people are making death threats here, they would be within their rights to stop providing service due to that violation. It's no different than the ToS in place here now for posters regarding that same issue.
 
code1211 said:
Seems like there is a very large number of people with a very real amount of rage based on frustration.
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I think it only fair that we give a listen to any enraged mob. Clearly when people get to the point that destruction and that kind of primal scream is the route they take then there's something we need to address.

Unfortunately they were fed a series of lies about corrupt elections that simply weren't real. The election was fair and honest but the people who lost (who actually knew there was a chance they would lose) started demonizing even before the election. Trump himself set up the idea that if he lost it would be because of corruption...as if there's no way such a great man could lose the election fairly.

This fed into the non-stop lies of 4 years. People fed a steady diet of lies are prone to take extreme measures.

I personally don't think the rioters should be prosecuted but the folks who spread the lies SHOULD. Trump and his enablers who helped spread the misinformation and generate the rage should be held accountable because they knew what they were doing from the beginning. And they did it will malintent.
 
code1211 said:
hate filled racists of the Democrat Party.
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Is this why minority groups fail to vote Republican year after year after year after year? Because minorities prefer "hate filled racists"?

Is this why the KKK and David Duke supported Trump?

Is this why the rioters were often carrying Nazi flags on 1/6?
 
istodolez said:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Facebook and Twitter are NOT Congress, nor are they an entity of the US government.

You do not have any more rights to a Twitter account than you have rights to your own TV show just because you want one.
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We obviously see this differently.

In my view, when anyone or anything abridges free speech, then free speech is abridged. To me, this is pretty much just like any other freedom within a society.

Whether it's the bully on the playground abridging free speech or the government silencing dissidents, or the party in power silencing dissidents, if freedom of speech is abridged, it is abridged.

We have, as a society agreed that some speech is not protected as in the famous example of shouting, "Fire", in a crowded theatre.

In the days of the Antebellum South, as I understand it, the US Government never directly owned a slave and yet the freedom of speech of those who were claimed as slaves was abridged by those that claimed ownership of those slaves.

Is removal of one freedom by a private individual from another private individual excused simply because the remover is NOT a government?

Is Twitter, as an example, more entitled to selectively and capriciously deny service to customers than was the owner of a lunch counter in 1960 Alabama?

Seems like an oddly selective application of law.
 
code1211 said:
We obviously see this differently.
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Yeah, I'm going by what "free speech" in America means.

Twitter and Facebook are not the government. You are not free to come into my home and shout racial epithets. I will ask you to leave. The key is that the GOVERNMENT cannot enact laws forbidding your speech.

Is Twitter, as an example, more entitled to selectively and capriciously deny service to customers than was the owner of a lunch counter in 1960 Alabama?
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Stores still maintain the right to deny service except in the case of federally protected classes.
 
You know how we limit time for our kids on their phones/ computers/ TV because we know how damaging too much online time is for humans?

Donald Trump needs a parent.
 
CaughtInThe said:
You know how we limit time for our kids on their phones/ computers/ TV because we know how damaging too much online time is for humans?

Donald Trump needs a parent.
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He had one. Fred made him the creature he is today and Fred helped him in every conceivable way except helping him be a decent human being.
 
Aunt Antifa said:
It’s so weird how y’all demanded Obama use the words “radical Islamic terrorist” but can’t call a terrorist attack on our Capitol a terrorist attack.

Even with national security y’all play the race card.
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I never made that demand.
 
Binary_Digit said:
Alt-reich boldness under Trump's tacit approval. "Very fine people." Whenever he said something like that, they cheered and celebrated. Proud Boys membership swelled exponentially right after he told them to "stand back and stand by." The few times he said anything in opposition to white nationalism, they just took it to mean he had to say that for optics but didn't really mean it. If he seriously didn't know this was happening then he was willfully ignorant. Maybe he should have read his PDBs. But I'm convinced he knew exactly what he was doing.


Trayvon Martin was killed in 2012, which was then followed by a few dozen other black Americans dying on camera at the hands of police under dubious (at best) circumstances. So I agree race relations were already getting worse before Trump, but he stoked the flames into a bonfire with his tacit approval of militant Confederates.
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You are the victim of propaganda.

In my post, I was trying to demonstrate that there is a lot of frustration in our country and it exists in people across the entire political spectrum.

Why you are upset ONLY by the frustrations existing in the right side and end of that spectrum is beyond me.

Could you please explain that?

The way I see things, there has been all sorts of violence and mayhem over the last several months. Until January 6, our propagandists excused the violence seeming to indicate that it was justified. "Mostly Peaceful Protests".

Then, the people that you hate joined into the violent dance and NOW you're upset. What's the difference between a mostly peaceful protest in August and a mostly peaceful protest in January?

Walls are immoral? Take a look at DC right now. Arson, looting, assault, murder, and mayhem is "what democracy looks like". Until it's not the Democrat-Socialists doing it.

"Defund the police" takes a 180 turn and suddenly we need 24,000 cops on the street for the inauguration.

Do you see any conflicts in the crap you are gleefully consuming from the propagandists deceiving you?
 
Aunt Antifa said:
Except he asked them to be there and do what was done.

He has spent the last 4 years saying and doing things that are insanely self-destructive, and the reason he keeps doing it is because he’s spent his life doing that. Previously his money and lawyers shielded him from the worst consequences. Now he has Republican voters.
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ANOTHER baseless accusation based on misconceptions and lies.
 
Jezcoe said:
If he was acting on behalf of the President... then how is it a quid pro quo?
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Biden was the agent for the United States. He demanded an action be taken and offered a payment in consideration of that action. He offered more than a billion dollars. It's VERY likely that some of that billion ended up in the pockets of Biden.

He demanded "THIS FOR THAT". QUID PRO QUO translated literally is THIS FOR THAT. Biden is excused for the crime that Trump was impeached for.

However, the outrage committed by Trump is that he wanted Biden's and Obama's crime to be investigated. Wanting to investigate crimes committed by Democrat-Socialists is thus defined as an impeachable offense.
 
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