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Trump vs GOP

Who needs who the most moving forward?

  • Trump needs GOP the most

    Votes: 3 11.5%

  • GOP needs Trump the most

    Votes: 6 23.1%

  • Trump should dump all things GOP now and start own party

    Votes: 4 15.4%

  • GOP should turn on Trump like spoiled eggs in the August sun.

    Votes: 12 46.2%

  • They are both doomed - no turning back now

    Votes: 10 38.5%

  • Other - please explain

    Votes: 1 3.8%
  • Total voters
    26
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Who needs who the most moving forward??


Please feel free to explain your reasoning.
 
Trump should come out of the closet and admit he is Americas Mussolini.


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Dragonfly said:
Who needs who the most moving forward??


Please feel free to explain your reasoning.
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  • Trump needs GOP the most
  • Trump doesn't need the GOP. He already has most of their rank and file.​
  • GOP needs Trump the most
  • They need him, but they won't get him. They had their chance and they blew it.​
  • Trump should dump all things GOP now and start own party
  • Not only should he, but he probably will.​
  • GOP should turn on Trump like spoiled eggs in the August sun.
  • They already turned on him...and on their own rank and file.​
  • They are both doomed - no turning back now
  • The GOP is doomed. Trump is not.​
  • Other - please explain
  • Already explained.​
 
Mycroft said:
  • Trump needs GOP the most
  • Trump doesn't need the GOP. He already has most of their rank and file.​
  • GOP needs Trump the most
  • They need him, but they won't get him. They had their chance and they blew it.​
  • Trump should dump all things GOP now and start own party
  • Not only should he, but he probably will.​
  • GOP should turn on Trump like spoiled eggs in the August sun.
  • They already turned on him...and on their own rank and file.​
  • They are both doomed - no turning back now
  • The GOP is doomed. Trump is not.​
  • Other - please explain
  • Already explained.​
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For once I agree with you completely!

Odds said you'd get a really bad narrative to distribute eventually.

Today is the day! Huzzah!
 
What if...? said:
For once I agree with you completely!

Odds said you'd get a really bad narrative to distribute eventually.

Today is the day! Huzzah!
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shrug...

Nothing special...just my usual truth.
 
90% of the GOP are die hard Trumpists.

If the GOP does the right thing and tosses Trump to the curb, TRump can start his own party and the GOP will become the 3rd party.

The GOP needs TRump is the correct answer to the poll question.
 
noonereal said:
90% of the GOP are die hard Trumpists.

If the GOP does the right thing and tosses Trump to the curb, TRump can start his own party and the GOP will become the 3rd party.

The GOP needs TRump is the correct answer to the poll question.
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I don’t think that’s true.

I think once Trump was nominated, 90% tolerated him because he had the crown.

Time will tell how many remain “loyal” once he’s without any “legitimate power”.

I bet you’ll see a lot of R’s trying to wash that Trump stink from their bodies and clothes.
 
Dragonfly said:
Who needs who the most moving forward??


Please feel free to explain your reasoning.
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Sad to say, but the GOP is toast without Trump. It's the main reason they kissed his ass for four years. If the MAGA crowd bails and refuses to vote, the Dems will win every election from here on out.
 
Dragonfly said:
I think once Trump was nominated, 90% tolerated him because he had the crown.
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You are confusing the elected republican officials with the generally populous. They had to tolerate Trump because the voters made clear that they are Trumpists first, republicans second. A distant second at that.
 
noonereal said:
You are confusing the elected republicans officials with the generally populous. They had to tolerate Trump because the voters made clear that they are Trumpists first, republicans second. A distant second at that.
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Yep. The GOP bent over so far backwards to draw in the trailer trash they are now trailer trash.
 
calamity said:
Sad to say, but the GOP is toast without Trump. It's the main reason they kissed his ass for four years. If the MAGA crowd bails and refuses to vote, the Dems will win every election from here on out.
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The MAGA crowd will vote against the Dems regardless of who the R’s support or throw under the bus.

Hell, at least 50% of the MAGA crowd won’t be able to remember 2020 by the time 2024 comes around.
 
If you're talking about 2024, then if Trump runs a campaign the only chance the GOP or Trump would have would be for the GOP to fall in line behind him like they did in 2016.

They are stronger together than they are apart at this point, but together they lose moderates and independents which they can't afford. Apart, the GOP gains moderates and independents but loses nationalists and populists to Trump, and Trump in turn loses the independents and moderates. The GOP's only hope is for Trump to permanently retire somewhere and keep quiet, allowing Trump supporters to trickle back into the fold.
 
Dragonfly said:
The MAGA crowd will vote against the Dems regardless of who the R’s support or throw under the bus.

Hell, at least 50% of the MAGA crowd won’t be able to remember 2020 by the time 2024 comes around.
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If the GOP tosses TRump, they will vote GOP just like they supported Pence when he did his job.
 
Mycroft said:
  • Trump needs GOP the most
  • Trump doesn't need the GOP. He already has most of their rank and file.​
  • GOP needs Trump the most
  • They need him, but they won't get him. They had their chance and they blew it.​
  • Trump should dump all things GOP now and start own party
  • Not only should he, but he probably will.​
  • GOP should turn on Trump like spoiled eggs in the August sun.
  • They already turned on him...and on their own rank and file.​
  • They are both doomed - no turning back now
  • The GOP is doomed. Trump is not.​
  • Other - please explain
  • Already explained.​
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Seeing rank and file = Trump is so Nazi like, I don't even have to point it out.
 
calamity said:
Seeing rank and file = Trump is so Nazi like, I don't even have to point it out.
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Of course. You see Nazis everywhere. Just like Antifa.
 
Mycroft said:
  • Trump needs GOP the most
  • Trump doesn't need the GOP. He already has most of their rank and file.​
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He doesn't have enough. 2020 proved that. Trump lost too many moderates and independents, and the insurrection is only going to further shrink that number.
 
Dragonfly said:
I don’t think that’s true.

I think once Trump was nominated, 90% tolerated him because he had the crown.

Time will tell how many remain “loyal” once he’s without any “legitimate power”.

I bet you’ll see a lot of R’s trying to wash that Trump stink from their bodies and clothes.
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It started after the election in November, and really accelerated after the 6 Jan attack.
 
lwf said:
If you're talking about 2024, then if Trump runs a campaign the only chance the GOP or Trump would have would be for the GOP to fall in line behind him like they did in 2016.

They are stronger together than they are apart at this point, but together they lose moderates and independents which they can't afford. Apart, the GOP gains moderates and independents but loses nationalists and populists to Trump, and Trump in turn loses the independents and moderates. The GOP's only hope is for Trump to permanently retire somewhere and keep quiet, allowing Trump supporters to trickle back into the fold.
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A third party threat just means the Dems control for 8 years.

By then Trump is probably dead anyway so it becomes moot.

Assuming Trump isn’t convicted of crimes and in prison long before then.

Remember the Tea Party? Where are they now?

Trumpublicans are doomed to follow same trajectory as the Tea Party. Bright flame that burns out quickly.
 
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lwf said:
He doesn't have enough. 2020 proved that. Trump lost too many moderates and independents, and the insurrection is only going to further shrink that number.
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What 2020 proved is that Trump has more than 74 million people voting for him. A big part of that 74+ million are Republican rank and file, but there are also a lot of independents and even a good number of walkaway Democrats.

This should scare the shit out of both the GOP and the Dems. (And, given their actions with this impeachment nonsense, I'd say they are pooping all over the place.)
 
Mycroft said:
What 2020 proved is that Trump has more than 74 million people voting for him. A big part of that 74+ million are Republican rank and file, but there are also a lot of independents and even a good number of walkaway Democrats.

This should scare the shit out of both the GOP and the Dems. (And, given their actions with this impeachment nonsense, I'd say they are pooping all over the place.)
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That's because Trump was on the Republican ticket. If he wasn't, a huge portion of his votes would have been diverted by whomever was. If the GOP aligns with Trump once again, he has a chance. If they don't he doesn't. That means Trump needs the GOP, and they need him.

The best hope the GOP has is if Trump is completely out of the picture and they get ALL of his supporters back. In that scenario alone are they a threat to Democrats, assuming the current political environment.

Trump must either crawl back to the GOP, or cut his losses and retire from public life. Any other scenario is a benefit to Democrats.
 
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lwf said:
That's because Trump was on the Republican ticket. If he wasn't, a huge portion of his votes would have been diverted by whomever was. If the GOP aligns with Trump once again, he has a chance. If they don't he doesn't. That means Trump needs the GOP, and they need him.

The best hope the GOP has is if Trump is completely out of the picture and they get his supporters back.
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The GOP rank and file kicked the GOP Elite's preferred candidates to the curb in favor of Trump. They won't just lay down and blindly follow those Elites again. Especially after their actions of the past four years. It doesn't matter who the GOP Elites trot out. Their ex-rank and file will not come back to them.
 
Mycroft said:
The GOP rank and file kicked the GOP Elite's preferred candidates to the curb in favor of Trump. They won't just lay down and blindly follow those Elites again. Especially after their actions of the past four years. It doesn't matter who the GOP Elites trot out. Their ex-rank and file will not come back to them.
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They will if it is between a GOP elite and a Democrat. You're right that if Trump is in the picture they won't, but this will benefit Democrats, not the GOP or Trump.
 
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