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Trump-Ukraine Whistleblower Suddenly Won't Testify

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Simply because the House (100% the "prosecution" as in a GJ presentation) won't call the presumed WB does not mean that the Senate cannot do so after articles of impeachment are presented to them. Since it is the (political?) motive of Trump which is being questioned, it is fair to examine the (political?) motive of the WB as well, especially since at the time (of the initial complaint) the WB was discussing a classified and privileged conversation - quite possibly with uncleared persons which is a crime.
 

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Is that progressives have been for that last 3 years, putting country ahead of party?

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Of course. That is why we are heading towards an impeachment....rightfully so...
 

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Is that progressives have been for that last 3 years, putting country ahead of party?

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Ah, Yes. Most of us sincerely believe that Trump is the greatest threat to American democracy since the Civil War, and maybe even beyond that. This is not a normal president, nor is a President that would put American first, in front of his own interests. That makes him dangerous. The fact that he is woefully short on knowledge of world affairs and won't listen to those that are makes him a very, very dangerous man.

I don't believe you grasp the severity of the crisis from the perspective of most of America. And, since we are fundamentally a democracy where the opinion of the majority is to be at least respected, if not followed, disrespecting the half of the country that finds this man offensive, is offensive in itself.
 
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Things aren't going well for the witch hunters & their lunatic enablers.

So very sad.

:(
Dont get overconfident about this. Its important to understand the major subtexts that are at play here. Impeaching Trump is just a slight of hand they are using as an end to a means.

This is a PR campaghin to convince the public that Trump does not deserve a 2nd term and its a smokescreen to obfuscate the reports that are coming. Make no mistake the die cast, they are gonna claim anything damning revealed by horrowitz and Durham is meant to distract us from the REAL crimes Trump is committing.

Its as obvious as the nose on your face to those of us who are paying attention but dont underestimate the impact it will have with the casaul political followers. The threat these people pose should not be taken lightly. Dont assume everyone is as smart as you.

Imo the best thing trump supporters can do is to engage people with calm noninflamatory discussions of whats taking place. People need to be woke but not in the progressive sense of the word. They need to understand what the progessive threat is in a way that allows them to put the pieces together on their own. Hyperbole imo is the wrong approach

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First, this is from ZeroFact..... one of the most prolific sites for conspiracy and fake news one can find on the Internet. The site is HQ in Bulgaria, a former Soviet bloc country. You should be embarrassed that you even read this smut. I feel dirty even reading the MediaBiasFactCheck on this.

Zero Hedge - Media Bias/Fact Check

"....A factual search reveals a terrible track record with IFCN fact checkers. There are too many failed checks to list here.

Overall, we rate Zero Hedge an extreme right biased conspiracy website. (8/18/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 7/17/2018)..."


It has had the desired effect on you.... it raised your blood-pressure on a story that is very likely a complete fabrication. A news source from Bulgaria? Really? You want us to take this seriously?

Now, as to the overall message: Why don't you get that it just doesn't matter who the WB is or what he believes? It is all irrelevant. The Whistleblower could be a Nazi, a communist, a Russian, a Trump University "attendee" that forms at the mouth at the mention of Trump, or an escapee from Area 51. He (or she) is completely irrelevant at this point. The WB pulled the fire alarm, notified authorities and got out of the way..... His work is done. The impeachment will stand solely on the merits of the investigation that ensued, not on anything the whisteblower has to say or has said.

Again, lay off the political porn. We now understand where you get your ideas, and it explains a lot to us all. It does NOTHING to enhance your credibility as a poster.
:roll:

Irrelevant nonsense.

We're known for weeks that the leaking CIA termite was a traitorous Democrat cockroach.
 

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Dont get overconfident about this. Its important to understand the major subtexts that are at play here. Impeaching Trump is just a slight of hand they are using as an end to a means.

This is a PR campaghin to convince the public that Trump does not deserve a 2nd term and its a smokescreen to obfuscate the reports that are coming. Make no mistake the die cast, they are gonna claim anything damning revealed by horrowitz and Durham is meant to distract us from the REAL crimes Trump is committing.

Its as obvious as the nose on your face to those of us who are paying attention but dont underestimate the impact it will have with the casaul political followers. The threat these people pose should not be taken lightly. Dont assume everyone is as smart as you.

Imo the best thing trump supporters can do is to engage people with calm noninflamatory discussions of whats taking place. People need to be woke but not in the progressive sense of the word. They need to understand what the progessive threat is in a way that allows them to put the pieces together on their own. Hyperbole imo is the wrong approach

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Not my approach, but that's why they have so many ice cream flavors. :thumbs:
 

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Dont get overconfident about this. Its important to understand the major subtexts that are at play here. Impeaching Trump is just a slight of hand they are using as an end to a means.

This is a PR campaghin to convince the public that Trump does not deserve a 2nd term and its a smokescreen to obfuscate the reports that are coming. Make no mistake the die cast, they are gonna claim anything damning revealed by horrowitz and Durham is meant to distract us from the REAL crimes Trump is committing.

Its as obvious as the nose on your face to those of us who are paying attention but dont underestimate the impact it will have with the casaul political followers. The threat these people pose should not be taken lightly. Dont assume everyone is as smart as you.

Imo the best thing trump supporters can do is to engage people with calm noninflamatory discussions of whats taking place. People need to be woke but not in the progressive sense of the word. They need to understand what the progessive threat is in a way that allows them to put the pieces together on their own. Hyperbole imo is the wrong approach

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A rational man in non-rational world. We cannot change Trump Derangement Syndrome on the left as we could not change Obama Derangement Syndrome on the right.
We no longer live in a world where a rational discussion about any president is possible.

FACT OF THE DAY ONLY 60% of the population voted in 2016!!!! If you roughly divide that by 2. 30% voted for on and 30% voted for the other. The majority of the people in this country DO NOT CARE WHO THE PRESIDENT IS.
 

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That's in a court of law. POTUS's council will be present at the hearings.
If we can't follow one of the primary tenets of American jurisprudence for the President, who can we follow it for?
 

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Yeah. But protecting the WB's identity has denied the Trumpkin's their "gawd-given rite" to call him/her a poopy-head, crooked, small handed, lazy, loser. Or whatever insult Cambridge Analytica tells them to call them. They can't defend against the message to they take pot shots at the messenger. It's who they are. It's what they do.

You really upset the school yard bully when you make him takes swings at the shadows on the gymnasium wall. Like Don Quixote fighting a windmill. Drives 'em bat**** crazy.
This is a kitchen sink post, someone want to give him a race card to throw for the daily trifecta?
 

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I could care less if the whistleblowers testifies about this juvenile nonsense or not but he does not have the right to privacy. The whistleblower protection act protects him from being fired but it does not garuntee him anonymity. His anoni.ity is the discretion of the gov.

I will also add that if there is anything false in the report thst he made he can and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Furthermore its absolutely at the discretion of the house if they want to include his testimony as part of the inquiry but if they follow through with impeaching him, the whistleblower will have no wiggle room if Trumps people subpoena him.

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If things trump has said is proven to be false should he also be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law?
 

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Ah, Yes. Most of us sincerely believe that Trump is the greatest threat to American democracy since the Civil War, and maybe even beyond that. This is not a normal president, nor is a President that would put American first, in front of his own interests. That makes him dangerous. The fact that he is woefully short on knowledge of world affairs and won't listen to those that are makes him a very, very dangerous man.

I don't believe you grasp the severity of the crisis from the perspective of most of America. And, since we are fundamentally a democracy where the opinion of the majority is to be at least respected, if not followed, disrespecting the half of the country that finds this man offensive, is offensive in itself.
You're correct that i don't grasp the severity of the situation. I dont share your opinion but i do respect your opinion as coming from a sincere place. I think its a shame that my opion about your postion is not reciprocated.

I dont even feel like its worth debating because of the lack of respect offered. I rather hash out our differences in a calm and meanigful way. I may even surprise you by shifting toward some form of empathy toward your position if not an outward agreement but i dont feel like theres any room for discussion. The conversation has becone you're either with me or you're my enemy.

We may disagree but im not you're enemy nor are you mine. What we are is two people who disagree on the best path to achieve the best possinle outcome.

Im your neighbor. The guy who mows your lawn when your mower is down. Im the guy who leaves a bag groceries at your stoop anonymously when your syruggling. Im the guy who shovels your driveway after a snowstorm. Stop distespecting me for not sharing your opinion.

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Imagine the shrieks of passionate fury being emitted by Democrats were this being done to their precious messiah Obama...

:eek:

Not an issue Obama was not a traitorous con artist crook involved with fixing elections with foreign governments...

8 years and he never needed one personal criminal lawyer, and not one of his staff was imprisoned...
 

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Actually, all testimony is irrelevant when the verdict is already decided.

LOL! How deliciously irrelevant.

The IG contradicted the asinine claim at your link and found the complaint by the WB "both urgent and that it appeared credible."

Yet again you have no idea what you're talking about here.

What the WB has been confirmed by other witnesses, under oath, repeatedly, and confirmed publicly by your god, twump.
 

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Obama did it the old fashioned way: Weaponizing the IRS.

Not an issue Obama was not a traitorous con artist crook involved with fixing elections with foreign governments...

8 years and he never needed one personal criminal lawyer, and not one of his staff was imprisoned...
 

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And the IG said the leaker arguably has political bias towards POTUS

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You observe your neighbor throw a brick into a window in your home, enter through the window and start stealing your stuff. You call the cops, and when they arrive they catch your neighbor in the act and promptly arrest him. It's an open and shut case.

However...

It later comes out that you and your neighbor don't like each other very much, so the cops let him go.

Is that a logical or illogical result?
 

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Obama did it the old fashioned way: Weaponizing the IRS.
IG reported no link to Obama.
When all you guys can do is lie, do you ever wonder if it's maybe not for the best? Or are you blindly faithful in lies? Seems so at odds with what Conservatives use to claim they were.
 

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If things trump has said is proven to be false should he also be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law?
Yes, and Obstruction of Justice should be part of the Impeachment process.
 

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American citizens, career public servants are now "cockroaches" according to VySky.

Sounds like you work for Russia. Maybe you'll be pushing for extermination next, after de-humanizing? What a classy bunch.

In the real world, the whistle-blower blew the whistle, was outed and attacked by anti-American Republicans, and is not needed in any way, shape, or form, now that we have the transcript, and the investigation, which supports ever allegation made by the WB.

- American, public servant
- WB testimony is no longer needed, we have direct evidence and first hand testimony, and the testimony to show the conspiracy was broad and deep
- Trump and other Republicans worked to try and out the whistle-blower, in an effort to attack them, scare other potential witnesses from coming forward, and in an attempt to discredit them by smearing.

Looks like plenty of people came forward to testify, but you did succeed in outing the WB, and putting their life at risk. Nice "protection for whistle-blowers". Good to see patriotic Americans ignoring laws, smearing, attacking public servants, dehumanizing them and calling them cockroaches...

Good work Putin...Trump and Manafort...two gifts that keep no giving.
Exactly, well said!
 

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Trump-Ukraine Whistleblower Suddenly Won't Testify; Lawyers Break Off Negotiations Amid New Revelations


A CIA officer who filed a second-hand whistleblower complaint against President Trump has gotten cold feet about testifying after revelations emerged that he worked with Joe Biden, former CIA Director John Brennan, and a DNC operative who sought dirt on President Trump from officials in Ukraine's former government.

According to the Washington Examiner, discussions with the whistleblower - revealed by RealClearInvestigations as 33-year-old Eric Ciaramella have been halted, "and there is no discussion of testimony from a second whistleblower, who supported the first's claims."

There is no indication that either of the original whistleblowers will be called to testify or appear before the Senate or House Intelligence committees. There is no further discussion ongoing between the legal team and the committees," said the Examiner's source.

The whistleblower is a career CIA officer with expertise in Ukraine policy who served on the White House National Security Council during the Obama administration, when 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden was "point man" for Ukraine, and during the early months of the Trump administration. -Washington Examiner

Trump-Ukraine Whistleblower Suddenly Won't Testify; Lawyers Break Off Negotiations Amid New Revelations | Zero Hedge
By definition a whistleblower blows their whistle and then once the proper authorities are alerted their work is done.

So he doesnt need to testify.
 

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If we can't follow one of the primary tenets of American jurisprudence for the President, who can we follow it for?
They are following the Constitution and you obviously don't get how the Constitution works and the separation of powers. This isn't a criminal proceeding. It's a Constitutional process.
 
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