Hmm... If you worked in Taipei then you should know most of the chips manufactured there are shipped to China to be used as components for the manufacture of finished goods. China's top market for finished goods is...Are you just confused or being deliberately ignorant. I worked in Taiwan for a while in Taipei. Yes a lot of the people are ethnically Chinese from several generations back, while others are ethnically Taiwanese or a mix. None of them are "Chinese" in the way you are inferring it. Taiwan has a strong democratic and capitalist government, that is not doing a damn thing to help China. They are probably more anti China than most in the US are.
Yep, Biden has been the closest to a true trickle down President we've ever had.Thanks Biden.
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I do hope the UK can benefit from this move by doing more business with TSMC.
Thanks a bunch Trump, keep it up, you're doing great for British businesses!!!!!!!!!
What the **** you think the chips act isWe won't ever be there if there is no incentive to bring that manufacturing to the US.
Deep seek is being touted as the destroyer of tech companies. All this means is they temporarily have sent shock waves throughout the AI field and this is inevitable and capitalism. This has ZERO to do with my post and an intentional diversion by you.$100B for AI in the US?
Yeah, Deepseek just killed that.
And TMSC is not building a new plant because of tariffs.
But thanks for the effort.
The good lord knows the UK needs an economic miracle.
Trump has cut so many good family wage jobs already.This is a good idea. I lost a family wage job in 2002, paying a base of $72k annual, because it was cheaper to make chips overseas.
Why do you lefties live the loss of family wage jobs here, in favor of slave labor wages elsewhere, and people losing jobs here?
What the **** you think the chips act is
Our economy is fine. Inflation is the issue.And you lefties wonder why our economy is so mad here, when you support losing high paying jobs here.
Its so ****ing stupid it needs to be put in another subsection
shrug...
That's your opinion. Chip makers might disagree with you.
That's my point.
When faced with higher prices for their products...and the resulting reduction in demand (econ 101)...and with an alternative that will eliminate those higher prices, businesses "will go wherever capital expenditure can be minimised and profits can be maximised".
I don't know why you are bringing this up. I didn't mention it and I haven't heard anyone else mention it.
Leave your strawmen at home, eh?
It was the lack of computer chips that caused the price of new and used cars to skyrocket a few years ago.Taiwan has done nothing to deserve this. So in the end Donald screws up an important relationship and makes everything more expensive for Americans.
Depending on the model a car can have several thousand chips. Add to that the increased parts costs due to the Canada/Mexico tariffs and automobile prices could substantially balloon.
They won't come here. They will just charge more. They've already stated this. It's not worth it.The "direction" might be the same. The means to get there are very different.
Trump explained the difference.
"And we want them to come back and we won’t to give them billions of dollars like this ridiculous program that Biden has. Give everybody billions of dollars. They already have billions of dollars. They’ve got nothing but money. They didn’t need money. They needed an incentive. And the incentive is going to be they are not going to want to pay a 25, 50 or even 100% tax. They are going to build the factory with their own money. We don’t have to give them money. They are going to come in because it’s good for them to come in."
The TMSC plants were announced in 2020, 2022, and 2024. They had nothing to do with tariffs, but everything to do with incentives from our government.Deep seek is being touted as the destroyer of tech companies. All this means is they temporarily have sent shock waves throughout the AI field and this is inevitable and capitalism. This has ZERO to do with my post and an intentional diversion by you.
The delay in MMSC is due to a shortage of technical workers with critical expertise in the US, TSMC projects to finish construction instead by 2025. That is a DELAY. Why do you do this, Airyaman? I don't understand.
This means that AMERICANS will now scramble to learn what they need to in order to snag those jobs, after years of globalism making our own citizens last.
Some 2,200 employees now work at TSMC’s Arizona plant, with about half of them deployed from Taiwan. While tension at the plant simmers, TSMC has been ramping up its investments, recently securing billions of dollars in grants and loans from the U.S. government. Whether or not the plant succeeds in making cutting-edge chips with the same speed, efficiency, and profitability as facilities in Asia remains to be seen, with many skeptical about a U.S. workforce under TSMC’s army-like command system. “[The company] tried to make Arizona Taiwanese,” G. Dan Hutcheson, a semiconductor industry analyst at the research firm TechInsights, told Rest of World. “And it’s just not going to work.”
You'll pay it in one way or another.I'm not going to pay it, either. I'll find other alternatives...or I just won't buy it. That means the manufacturer loses sales, which means they lose money.
Like Trump says, "They are going to come in because it's good for them to come in."
That short term thinking is why our economy is declining. Why wages do not keep up with housing and groceries, just for cheaper consumer goods.An US tariff on Taiwan has zero impact on Taiwan's sales of goods to the rest of the world. Only one it impacts is US consumers as their electronics will go up in price.
It will be passed on to the price of consumer goods. But eventually, it will spur more investment in US manufacturing j0obs here,and the high wages that comes with it.This thread has been enlightening.
Not only do people think tariffs on Taiwanese products will make "Chinese" stuff more expensive, they also think the increases will be paid by the Chinese.
I am glad we have professional chip polishing researchers to set us all straight and praise Trump because they havent got over a job loss 23 years ago.
Long live the Golden Age!
As I said, correcting 4 years of carnage takes more than a week. As the old series went, "Patience grasshopper" which is a term used for all those who think centuries of evolution can be changed in a few decades and 4 years of extreme wokism and DEI can be changed overnight.The TMSC plants were announced in 2020, 2022, and 2024. They had nothing to do with tariffs, but everything to do with incentives from our government.
TSMC Arizona - Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company Limited
In a historic announcement, in May 2020, TSMC shared its plans to invest $12B in Phoenix, Arizona – building an advanced semiconductor manufacturing fabrication. In December 2022, the company announced its commitment to build a second fab in Phoenix, increasing its total investment to $40B. This...www.tsmc.com
Are alot of Americans getting jobs there? Some, but a bulk have been moved over from Taiwan.
Inside TSMC’s struggle to build a chip factory in the U.S. suburbs
Missed deadlines and tension among Taiwanese and American coworkers are plaguing the chip giant’s Phoenix expansion.restofworld.org
Well, why is it the leftists here fighting the idea? I think it is safe to say that all of us who lean right understand it will increase prices, but see it as the best long term way to get out of the spiral of doom our nation is in.You think only liberals wanted cheap Chinese goods?
Lololol...
NoThe US recognizes Taiwan as part of China.
Tariffs are not long term. They are implemented at the whims of the current president.Well, why is it the leftists here fighting the idea? I think it is safe to say that all of us who lean right understand it will increase prices, but see it as the best long term way to get out of the spiral of doom our nation is in.
It will be passed on to the price of consumer goods. But eventually,
Why do you want union family wage jobs to go away and not return?Why not? Compared with overpriced domestic production, if you can find any, I'll choose to pay less. I'm not some 'patriot' who thinks paying through the nose for American rubbish proves how 'patriotic' he is. How's that cheap Chinese phone you use, or the computer you're typing on?
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