Trump to Putin "If you don't make a deal we will give him (Zelensky) a lot......more than he ever got!" (1 Viewer)

[iguanaman]

Somewhere along the way, you took the blue pill.

Actually Trump is currently supporting Ukraine and selling them weapons to defeat Russia. You have a problem with that? I don't think so. Your dear leader has spoken and Putin is out of favor. You need to get on board.

 

[Jredbaron96]

I support the US defending itself not spending hundreds of billions of US tax dollars so that a hundred thousand people can die in Ukraine.

How do you expect the US to defend itself without active production lines?

 

[Juin]

Unless you've been Rip Van Winkle, there is no satisfactory excuse for your ignorance.

First, Zelensky never said he wouldn't talk or negotiate, or that he wouldn't do it if certain essentials he asked for weren't guaranteed. Were you attentive in your viewership. or in reading, you should have known that. Zelensky expressing skepticism of whether or not Russia will actually comply or that diplomacy will be effective IS NOT the same as refusing to negotiate or talk.

On Oct 4th 2022 Zelensky released a decree banning negotiations with Putin. That decree is still in force. What is your basis for stating Zelensky is ready to talk when his own decree bans that?

Sometime in 2023 Zelensky released his 10 point peace plan. More a diktat which among other things demands reparations and a tribunal to prosecute the Russian leadership. Those are proposals from a victor in war; or from a belligerant who demands nothing but total victory

 

[Juin]

And that Law is still in force. Makes me wonder what folks who insist Zelensky wants to negotiate are thinking.

What makes me wonder is how you can pretend that Putin wants a settlement that would give Ukraine security and a lasting peace for europe. Russia's economy is totally dependent on keeping the war going and Putin won't stop the fighting for even 30 days. Zelensky has no illusions about Putin like you do.

I stated that Zelensky has a law in place that bans negotiations with Putin. Are you denying that?

 

[Juin]

If Ukraine's tank loses are zero, and Russia's are 10,000, why is Zelensky not in Moscow?

Zelensky does not want Moscow he wants the Russians out of Ukraine. Russia is out of armored equipment so they attack on motorcycles and chinese golf carts.

If Ukraine's tank loses are zero, and Russia's are 10,000; and now you add Russia is out of amour; why is Russia still occupying 20% of Ukraine. Either reconcile your astronomical claims with the zero progress by Ukraine, or stop making them

 

[justoneman]

There will be no end unless Putin is defeated. He plans on an endless war for all the land that the USSR took in WWII. He believes all that land belongs to him and is willing to sacrifice millions of Russians to that end. That is why he cannot have a ceasefire...all his troops would go home if he stopped attacking Ukraine.

That is a load of crap.

 

[justoneman]

Zelensky does not want Moscow he wants the Russians out of Ukraine. Russia is out of armored equipment so they attack on motorcycles and chinese golf carts.

You forgot to say they are out of rifles and must use shovels as weapons instead.

 

[justoneman]

How do you expect the US to defend itself without active production lines?

We are not being attacked.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Americans slathering at the mouth for an expansion of the war is absolutely warmongering.

Russia invaded. The war is already ongoing.

No warmongering is necessary or even possible.

You seem to be okay with war if Russia is the one doing it.

 

[Hamish Howl]

You forgot to say they are out of rifles and must use shovels as weapons instead.

They really are using Chinese golf carts and scooters, dude. The fact that you do not keep up is not anyone else's responsibility.

 

[Hamish Howl]

That is a load of crap.

Correct. This won't be over until Putin is pushing up daisies.

Godspeed the day.

 

[justoneman]

They really are using Chinese golf carts and scooters, dude. The fact that you do not keep up is not anyone else's responsibility.

Dude keep up with the facts.

Ukraine war: Russian reservists fighting with shovels - UK defence ministry

Troops could be engaging in hand-to-hand combat in Ukraine, Britain's defence ministry says.

www.bbc.com

 

[maxparrish]

On Oct 4th 2022 Zelensky released a decree banning negotiations with Putin. That decree is still in force. What is your basis for stating Zelensky is ready to talk when his own decree bans that?

Sometime in 2023 Zelensky released his 10 point peace plan. More a diktat which among other things demands reparations and a tribunal to prosecute the Russian leadership. Those are proposals from a victor in war; or from a belligerant who demands nothing but total victory

As you are introducing Ukraine's stances in the context of 2022 regarding Putin himself, but we speaking of Zelensky's stances in the context of 2025 regarding the negotiating with Russia, what is your point?

Moreover, your "point", should you have one, uses 2022 characterizations of the facts that are incorrect.

In response to Russia's fraudulent Ukraine referendums condemned by the UN and Western allies, Putin illegally annexed four regions of Ukraine, 15 percent of Ukraine (CNN, October 4, 2022). And so in response Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council voted to declare that negotiations with Vladimir Putin himself was now impossible, and Zelensky signed the decree and announced the declaration.

It was not a ban on Zelensky or anyone else, it was a statement of Ukraine's position regarding direct negotiating with Putin. And both in Zelensky's video address and separately by Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba on the same day, they said they were specifically targeting Putin, not Russia as a whole, leaving open the possibility of talks with other Russian officials or through intermediaries (e.g., Turkey, Saudi Arabia).

And because it was not a ban it did not legally bind Ukraine to refuse all negotiations, as evidenced by ongoing prisoner exchanges, grain deal talks, and nuclear safety discussions mediated by third parties in 2022–2023 (The Washington Post, October 5, 2022). It was, as Kuleba said, a “political signal” rather than a permanent ban even against Putin, stating, “We never refused to negotiate, but Putin’s actions show he’s not serious about peace” (CNN, October 4, 2022).

So, as I said, in 2025 Zelensky did not refuse to negotiate with Russia, but he did refuse to support the US peace plan as the basis for an agreement. As for Putin himself, that was not even mentioned by anyone as far as I know.

 

[Jredbaron96]

We are not being attacked.

You just said you want the US to be able to defens itself.

 

[Rogue Valley]

I stated that Zelensky has a law in place that bans negotiations with Putin. Are you denying that?

As you are introducing Ukraine's stances in the context of 2022 regarding Putin himself, but we speaking of Zelensky's stances in the context of 2025 regarding the negotiating with Russia, what is your point?

Moreover, your "point", should you have one, uses 2022 characterizations of the facts that are incorrect.

He is being less than honest as is his custom here.

 

[Rogue Valley]

We are not being attacked.

A competant military does not wait to be attacked in order to arm itself.

The concept is called preparedness.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Actually Trump is currently supporting Ukraine and selling them weapons to defeat Russia. You have a problem with that? I don't think so.

No, not as long as we are no longer giving them free weapons and Zelensky is still open to a real ceasefire if Russia comes around.

Your dear leader has spoken and Putin is out of favor. You need to get on board.

Your problem is that your TDS makes you look small.

 

[justoneman]

You just said you want the US to be able to defens itself.

Yes I want to only concern ourselves with defense of the US.

Stop trying to find something that is not there.

 

[Jredbaron96]

Yes I want to only concern ourselves with defense of the US.

Stop trying to find something that is not there.

It's you who's struggling, as usual when it comes to military matters.

 

[Lovebug]

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that Russia would support Trump's request for a 30-day unconditional ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine only if the "nuances" of the ceasefire were fully taken into account. According to state news agency TASS, Peskov said that "President Putin was quick to support it" after the Trump administration called on him.

Russia backs 30-day ceasefire but with due account of nuances, Kremlin's Peskov says

Russia supports the implementation of a 30-day ceasefire in the Ukraine conflict, but only with due consideration of 'nuances' in the more than three-year-old war, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov was quoted as saying on Friday. Read more at straitstimes.com. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

So a week in, has anything changed? Not that a 30 day ceasefire means much more that Trump getting some applause.

 

[Lovebug]

Yes I want to only concern ourselves with defense of the US.

Since we don't have any friends left, that's our only option.

Stop trying to find something that is not there.

 

[Roadvirus]

I support the US defending itself not spending hundreds of billions of US tax dollars so that a hundred thousand people can die in Ukraine.

Actually, it's being spent to prevent those deaths. But Trump refuses to push Russia to stop the killing. And he refuses to give Ukraine what it needs to take out the shit Russia throws at them that is killing civilians.

 

[Roadvirus]

Russia's economy is totally dependent on keeping the war going

Actually, it's killing Russia's economy.

Money the Gremlin knows they don't have being pumped into weapon manufacturing. Meanwhile, the rest of its industries & infrastructure is failing due to gov't neglect & worker shortages (sending able-bodied workers to a war zone to become maimed or die in suicide charges is not a smart thing to do).

 

[multivita-man]

What makes me wonder is how you can pretend that Putin wants a settlement that would give Ukraine security and a lasting peace for europe. Russia's economy is totally dependent on keeping the war going and Putin won't stop the fighting for even 30 days. Zelensky has no illusions about Putin like you do.

I'd say that ship has sailed. Transitioning to a full war-time economy can have positive effects for a few years, but after a while it becomes inflationary, and it can even become hyperinflationary if the national banking system intervenes with more currency. I think that's kind of where Russia is heading, though it may take a while before Russian consumers really begin feeling pain they can no longer tolerate.

 

[iguanaman]

Actually, it's killing Russia's economy.

Money the Gremlin knows they don't have being pumped into weapon manufacturing. Meanwhile, the rest of its industries & infrastructure is failing due to gov't neglect & worker shortages (sending able-bodied workers to a war zone to become maimed or die in suicide charges is not a smart thing to do).

The Russian economy is being propped up by war spending and even a 30 day ceasefire will cause the Russians troops in Ukraine to go home and never come back. Putin needs to keep attacking no matter how high the losses and miniscule the gains are.