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Trump threatens Turkey with economic devastation if it attacks Syrian Kurd militia

Son, you don't have the cash or the will to form a real fighting army without the UK.

Here's your new EU military flag

the UK will soon cease to exist Indyref2 is only weeks away from being called then it's bye bye UK and the union rag ... i can tell you right now Scotland won't be part of NATO as we will not base the rUK's nukes like we currently do and we control a vast area of the North Sea and North Atlantic ... that will no longer be under NATO control

without the UK EU spends well over $200 billion on defence so we won't be at the mercy of anyone .... but Russia isn't interested in war with the EU Trade is the main goal between the EU and Russia

Just sounds like y'all are itching to try for one of those European Empires again.

we all know the country that is into empire building with bases all around the globe bullying countries to do as their told that country is America and not the EU .... most Western Europeans see America as a bigger threat than Russia ... what was it Trump said "the EU was our foe" and he took the hump later when Macron said America is our enemy" ... well you sure as hell aren't our friend and you have over stayed your welcome in Western Europe as most Western Europeans want your bases out of our countries
 
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the UK will soon cease to exist Indyref2 is only weeks away from being called then it's bye bye UK and the union rag ... i can tell you right now Scotland won't be part of NATO as we will not base the rUK's nukes like we currently do and we control a vast area of the North Sea and North Atlantic ... that will no longer be under NATO control

without the UK EU spends well over $200 billion on defence so we won't be at the mercy of anyone .... but Russia isn't interested in war with the EU Trade is the main goal between the EU and Russia

Wow, $200B? Looks like you busted your piggy bank open. Russia is interested in dominating you, nothing more.
 
Wow, $200B? Looks like you busted your piggy bank open. Russia is interested in dominating you, nothing more.

go back to sleep .... those scare stories no longer work .... Western defence spending is so low for a reason we do not see Russia as a enemy .... but a trading partner and all your scaremongering is just that you want to create a bogey man .... you should look in the mirror you are the bogey man ... you comment on things you don't understand

we don't have the same American phobia of Reds under our beds
 
When did western Euro democracy fall?

we didn't not fall, we woke up and saw who the real threat to Europe was .... we have Edward Snowden to thank for starting the awakening process .... true allies and friends don't upload malware to their power grids to shut them down if we decided not to play ball
 
we didn't not fall, we woke up and saw who the real threat to Europe was .... we have Edward Snowden to thank for starting the awakening process .... true allies and friends don't upload malware to their power grids to shut them down if we decided not to play ball

Then your claim was BS, right?
 
Then your claim was BS, right?

you denying the NSA did not upload malware to our power grids, steal trade secrets/deals from EU businesses to help US companies win trade deals ?? not the actions of a Ally ... and you claim Russia is a threat
 
Well, European countries that are members of NATO are allies of the USA. So Europe's security is USA business.

Yeah well maybe someone should inform Trump of that.
 
go back to sleep .... those scare stories no longer work .... Western defence spending is so low for a reason we do not see Russia as a enemy .... but a trading partner and all your scaremongering is just that you want to create a bogey man .... you should look in the mirror you are the bogey man ... you comment on things you don't understand

we don't have the same American phobia of Reds under our beds

LOL, wow, so that's why, then? Good to know; although, I suppose it has nothing to do with the fact that good ole USA as part of NATO probably has nothing to do with why you don't see Russia as a threat? Course not.

American is correct. If you folks shed the USA (Something actual EU leaders would never do, despite your superior understanding of the dynamics involved) I'd give the EU maybe 5 more years as it currently stands before the entire nation states where walking around in perpetual crossing guard gear.. ;)


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Yeah well maybe someone should inform Trump of that.

Somebody did. Trump b#tched and moaned that our NATO allies were not spending enough on defense. He also pointed out that Germany making itself heavily dependent upon Russian natural gas was not a good move.
 
LOL, wow, so that's why, then? Good to know; although, I suppose it has nothing to do with the fact that good ole USA as part of NATO probably has nothing to do with why you don't see Russia as a threat? Course not.

American is correct. If you folks shed the USA (Something actual EU leaders would never do, despite your superior understanding of the dynamics involved) I'd give the EU maybe 5 more years as it currently stands before the entire nation states where walking around in perpetual crossing guard gear.. ;)


Tim-

you just don't get it it Russia is not the Soviet Union ... Russia is the largest country in Europe yes Russians are Europeans and as such the EU needs Russia every bit as much as Russia needs the EU ie trade ... trade between Russia and the EU goes way beyond just oil and gas ... it covers almost every sector of our economies ... Germany owes is existence today thanks to Russia/Soviet Union allowing the unification of east and west Germany .... two years before the events in Ukraine exploded, Vladimir Putin proposed and Vladivostok to Lisbon free trade zone which sounded alarm bells in Washington because they saw they were losing influence/control in the EU hence a wedge had to be found
 
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