Trump threatens to veto major defense bill unless Congress repeals Section 230, a legal shield for tech giants

[BlueTex]

Hey, the law cited reads exactly that.

What part of politically driven censorship is 'in good faith'?

I think you should go represent a plaintiff in court and see how that works for ya...

 

[OscarLevant]

When these publishers censor people's content and block their accounts from them based on their political likes and dislikes it makes them publishers, and Section 230 protection cease to apply to them.

Assuming that true, but you'll have to provide evidence of it. It certainly wasn't an issue I"ve seen.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The legislation has been passed by both the House and Senate.

The 10 day "pocket veto" provision kicks in today.

How many days is it going to be before Mr. Trump vetoes it?

 

[eohrnberger]

Assuming that true, but you'll have to provide evidence of it. It certainly wasn't an issue I"ve seen.

Why would Twitter allow Iranian Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called for genocide, not be censored, yet censor the newspaper reporting on the Hunter Biden laptop story?

Why would Twitter allow Chinese state media to tweet their propaganda, yet suspend the account of Danielle Stella (R) running against Ilhan Omar?

Such examples abound to the point that Twitter needs to prove that they aren't making their editorial decisions based on political affiliation.

 

[OscarLevant]

Why would Twitter allow Iranian Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called for genocide, not be censored, yet censor the newspaper reporting on the Hunter Biden laptop story?

Why would Twitter allow Chinese state media to tweet their propaganda, yet suspend the account of Danielle Stella (R) running against Ilhan Omar?

Such examples abound to the point that Twitter needs to prove that they aren't making their editorial decisions based on political affiliation.

You'll need to post links, I don't take anyone's word for their claims, they have to back it up.

 

[eohrnberger]

You'll need to post links, I don't take anyone's word for their claims, they have to back it up.

I've wasted my time before giving you links you never look at or honestly consider.

I'll give you this one though.

Twitter Permanently Suspends Accounts of Ilhan Omar's ...
www.nytimes.com › Danielle-Stella-Twitter-Ilhan-Omar
Nov 30, 2019 — Twitter suspended the accounts of Danielle Stella, a Republican candidate hoping to challenge Democratic Representative Ilhan Omar of ...

My parting thought for you is that big leftist media and big leftist tech rigged the election for Biden in what they would be allowed to be seen by people.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Why would Twitter allow Iranian Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called for genocide, not be censored, yet censor the newspaper reporting on the Hunter Biden laptop story?

Why would Twitter allow Chinese state media to tweet their propaganda, yet suspend the account of Danielle Stella (R) running against Ilhan Omar?

Such examples abound to the point that Twitter needs to prove that they aren't making their editorial decisions based on political affiliation.

You made four "assertions of fact"

1. Why would Twitter allow Iranian Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called for genocide, not be censored,
   
   
2. yet censor the newspaper reporting on the Hunter Biden laptop story?
   
   
3. Why would Twitter allow Chinese state media to tweet their propaganda,
   
   
4. yet suspend the account of Danielle Stella (R) running against Ilhan Omar?

and backed up two of them numbers 2 and 4.

Let's see your verification of numbers 1 and 3.

If you cannot verify BOTH numbers 1 and 2, then your first "question" is garbage.

If you cannot verify BOTH numbers 3 and 4, then your first "question" is garbage.

Since the foundation of your last sentence is your first two questions, if one of your first two questions is garbage, then your last sentence is garbage AND if BOTH of your first two questions are garbage, then your last sentence is garbage garbage.

 

[OscarLevant]

I've wasted my time before giving you links you never look at or honestly consider.

I'll give you this one though.

Twitter Permanently Suspends Accounts of Ilhan Omar's ...
www.nytimes.com › Danielle-Stella-Twitter-Ilhan-Omar
Nov 30, 2019 — Twitter suspended the accounts of Danielle Stella, a Republican candidate hoping to challenge Democratic Representative Ilhan Omar of ...

My parting thought for you is that big leftist media and big leftist tech rigged the election for Biden in what they would be allowed to be seen by people.

Wait a minute, when you post, you are not posting to me, specifically. So your reply 'wasted time' doesn't make sense.

All I'm asking you to do is that when you make a claim on this forum, for the benefit of readers, to post your links because that is courtesy. I have nothing to do with it nor can I have anything to do with it as you are not PMing me personally, you are posting on the forum for everyone.

Capiche?

From the NYtimes article:

Ms. Stella’s campaign account said on Tuesday, “If it is proven @IlhanMN passed sensitive info to Iran, she should be tried for #treason and hanged,” according to screenshots of the tweet. She later added a photo of a stick figure hanging from the gallows, The Washington Times reported.


I should think it is obvious why her account is suspended. She is getting death threats because of such comments on public forums. No one, especially public officials, should be posting such crap that could result in death or injury to anyone. IF she were indicted, tried and convicted, that's newsworthy but that isn't what is happening, Stella is acting as judge jury and hangman. That is just wrong.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Wait a minute, when you post, you are not posting to me, specifically. So your reply 'wasted time' doesn't make sense.

All I'm asking you to do is that when you make a claim on this forum, for the benefit of readers, to post your links because that is courtesy. I have nothing to do with it nor can I have anything to do with it as you are not PMing me personally, you are posting on the forum for everyone.

Capiche?

From the NYtimes article:

Ms. Stella’s campaign account said on Tuesday, “If it is proven @IlhanMN passed sensitive info to Iran, she should be tried for #treason and hanged,” according to screenshots of the tweet. She later added a photo of a stick figure hanging from the gallows, The Washington Times reported.


I should think it is obvious why her account is suspended. She is getting death threats because of such comments on public forums. No one, especially public officials, should be posting such crap that could result in death or injury to anyone. IF she were indicted, tried and convicted, that's newsworthy but that isn't what is happening, Stella is acting as judge jury and hangman. That is just wrong.

But - but - but - but WHAT ABOUT THE FIRST AMENDMENT????
[The above has been specifically and officially approved and endorsed by "Devoted Online Lovers of Trump" Inc. (a non-partisan, independent, research and analysis organization exempt from federal taxation that is dedicated to bringing you the true truth and not the false truth that anyone who doesn't believe 100% of what Donald Trump says tries to tell you the so-called "facts" are), "Pro-Life United Gun Enthusiasts and Manufacturers for Jesus", and “"The ‘First Amendment Rights Trust’ Foundation”.]

 

[eohrnberger]

Wait a minute, when you post, you are not posting to me, specifically. So your reply 'wasted time' doesn't make sense.

All I'm asking you to do is that when you make a claim on this forum, for the benefit of readers, to post your links because that is courtesy. I have nothing to do with it nor can I have anything to do with it as you are not PMing me personally, you are posting on the forum for everyone.

Capiche?

From the NYtimes article:

Ms. Stella’s campaign account said on Tuesday, “If it is proven @IlhanMN passed sensitive info to Iran, she should be tried for #treason and hanged,” according to screenshots of the tweet. She later added a photo of a stick figure hanging from the gallows, The Washington Times reported.


I should think it is obvious why her account is suspended. She is getting death threats because of such comments on public forums. No one, especially public officials, should be posting such crap that could result in death or injury to anyone. IF she were indicted, tried and convicted, that's newsworthy but that isn't what is happening, Stella is acting as judge jury and hangman. That is just wrong.

Twitter execs refused request to remove Ayatollah Khamenei ...
nypost.com › 2020/07/30 › twitter-execs-refused-reque...
Jul 30, 2020 — The decision comes after the social media giant recently began policing President Trump's tweets, alleging they "glorify violence" and spread ...
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And there you go. It's OK by Twitter to call for the deaths of people they don't like, but don't dare do so to someone they like, political and ideological affiliations wise.

 

[OscarLevant]

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Twitter execs refused request to remove Ayatollah Khamenei ...​

nypost.com › 2020/07/30 › twitter-execs-refused-reque...​

Jul 30, 2020 — The decision comes after the social media giant recently began policing President Trump's tweets, alleging they "glorify violence" and spread ...​

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And there you go. It's OK by Twitter to call for the deaths of people they don't like, but don't dare do so to someone they like, political and ideological affiliations wise.

I'm not defending Twitter's double standard, but I don't have a problem with the deletions they do delete.

A number of liberal journals, the Washington Post, and ultra liberal Huffington post, have criticized them as well.

Take it up with Twitter, what can I say?

 

[Athanasius68]

I'm not defending Twitter's double standard, but I don't have a problem with the deletions they do delete.

A number of liberal journals, the Washington Post, and ultra liberal Huffington post, have criticized them as well.

Take it up with Twitter, what can I say?

They are taking it up with Twitter; this is kind of what the thread is all about.
If Twitter et.al wish to engage in politicking then they should not have legal protections that other journals and publications do not have.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

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Twitter execs refused request to remove Ayatollah Khamenei ...​

nypost.com › 2020/07/30 › twitter-execs-refused-reque...​

Jul 30, 2020 — The decision comes after the social media giant recently began policing President Trump's tweets, alleging they "glorify violence" and spread ...​

​

And there you go. It's OK by Twitter to call for the deaths of people they don't like, but don't dare do so to someone they like, political and ideological affiliations wise.

The request was from the Israeli government and was based on a claim that the tweet in question advocated "genocide".

The tweet in question read "The long-lasting virus of Zionism will be uprooted thanks to the determination and faith of the youth,”. The Ayatollah calls for "the elimination of Israel" he does NOT call for "the elimination of Jews". The SECOND would be a call for "genocide", the FIRST is not.

In short, the sentence

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A Twitter spokeswoman has defended the company’s decision to block and restrict tweets from President Trump but not those of Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei which call for genocide of the Israeli people.​

in the internally linked article to the one you cited is blatantly false as long as it contains the words after after the words "...Ayatollah Ali Khamenei

 

[eohrnberger]

The request was from the Israeli government and was based on a claim that the tweet in question advocated "genocide".

The tweet in question read "The long-lasting virus of Zionism will be uprooted thanks to the determination and faith of the youth,”. The Ayatollah calls for "the elimination of Israel" he does NOT call for "the elimination of Jews".

Jews don't live in Israel?
How do you think the Iranians would go about "the elimination of Israel"?
I think it a given that it would be with a massive loss of Israeli life.

The SECOND would be a call for "genocide", the FIRST is not.

So there's is a call to genocide. Question is, was it posted to Twitter, so they have their excuse?

In short, the sentence

​

A Twitter spokeswoman has defended the company’s decision to block and restrict tweets from President Trump but not those of Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei which call for genocide of the Israeli people.​

in the internally linked article to the one you cited is blatantly false as long as it contains the words after after the words "...Ayatollah Ali Khamenei

So you trust Twitter then. . . . . OK. Not sure that's a good idea, but you do as you will.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Jews don't live in Israel?

They also live in about 190 other countries - don't they?

How do you think the Iranians would go about "the elimination of Israel"?

The Iranians have absolutely no workable mechanism that would "eliminate Israel". Quite frankly any call for "the elimination of Israel" that does not come coupled with a workable mechanism for doing so is simply bluster.

However, you do have to give the Israelis credit for keeping the "blood guilt" active for almost two complete generations.

I think it a given that it would be with a massive loss of Israeli life.

That would NOT be a "workable method".

So there's is a call to genocide.

See above re "bluster".

Question is, was it posted to Twitter, so they have their excuse?

Did you know that "I consider that to be a call for genocide." and "That is a call for genocide." do NOT mean the same thing?

So you trust Twitter then. . . . . OK. Not sure that's a good idea, but you do as you will.

Now how in hell did you come up with "So you trust Twitter"? (In any sense other than "I trust Twitter's management to do whatever they can get away with that will maximize profits." I mean.)

 

[eohrnberger]

They also live in about 190 other countries - don't they?



The Iranians have absolutely no workable mechanism that would "eliminate Israel". Quite frankly any call for "the elimination of Israel" that does not come coupled with a workable mechanism for doing so is simply bluster.

However, you do have to give the Israelis credit for keeping the "blood guilt" active for almost two complete generations.



That would NOT be a "workable method".



See above re "bluster".



Did you know that "I consider that to be a call for genocide." and "That is a call for genocide." do NOT mean the same thing?



Now how in hell did you come up with "So you trust Twitter"? (In any sense other than "I trust Twitter's management to do whatever they can get away with that will maximize profits." I mean.)

All bluster just waiting for the means to become available?
I think that might be something that you'd want to manage and thwart before those means become available. The risk evaluation kinda works out that way.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

All bluster just waiting for the means to become available?

Considering that the Iranian leadership is WELL aware that Iran would be turned into a self-illuminated, glass paved, parking lot should they ever actually attempt to use nuclear weapons against Israel (as is the Israeli leadership), that wait is likely to be in the neighbourhood of six or seven centuries.

I think that might be something that you'd want to manage and thwart before those means become available. The risk evaluation kinda works out that way.

The "risk" is more than adequately "managed" by the above.

Mind you, there isn't a whole lot of profit to be made from not selling weapons because they aren't needed and there aren't a whole lot of votes to be gained by admitting what the actual reality of the situation is, so I anticipate that the war drums will continue to be pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and ...

 

[eohrnberger]

Considering that the Iranian leadership is WELL aware that Iran would be turned into a self-illuminated, glass paved, parking lot should they ever actually attempt to use nuclear weapons against Israel (as is the Israeli leadership), that wait is likely to be in the neighbourhood of six or seven centuries.

History has shown us that there's no telling what a theocracy is capable of nor what risk to themselves, justified by the corruption of religion, they would be willing to endure.

The "risk" is more than adequately "managed" by the above.

Mind you, there isn't a whole lot of profit to be made from not selling weapons because they aren't needed and there aren't a whole lot of votes to be gained by admitting what the actual reality of the situation is, so I anticipate that the war drums will continue to be pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and pounded, and ...

And all this 'pounding' of the war drums isn't going to motivate some to extreme action?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

History has shown us that there's no telling what a theocracy is capable of nor what risk to themselves, justified by the corruption of religion, they would be willing to endure.

There have been very few examples of states starting wars that their leadership believed would result in the total annihilation of the state and the death of its entire leadership. In fact, I cannot think of any - can you?

And all this 'pounding' of the war drums isn't going to motivate some to extreme action?

The pounding of the war drums that I was referring to was being done by the American "Military-Industrial Complex" (if you will forgive me for quoting such a wacko, raving, loony, left-wing, pinko, socialist, liberal, commie)

 

[eohrnberger]

There have been very few examples of states starting wars that their leadership believed would result in the total annihilation of the state and the death of its entire leadership. In fact, I cannot think of any - can you?

If you accept the idea that ISIS was an unrecognized state, declared themselves as such if I recall, trying to re-establish the Caliphate of history, that would seem to apply.

The pounding of the war drums that I was referring to was being done by the American "Military-Industrial Complex" (if you will forgive me for quoting such a wacko, raving, loony, left-wing, pinko, socialist, liberal, commie)

Fair. There can be more than one banging the war drums.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

If you accept the idea that ISIS was an unrecognized state, declared themselves as such if I recall, trying to re-establish the Caliphate of history, that would seem to apply.

Unfortunately I can't quite accept that idea. ISIS had no "popular mandate" and was "governed" by the exercise of naked force (much like a Mexican drug cartel "governs". Thus it qualifies only as a "Banditocracy".

Fair. There can be more than one banging the war drums.

We are most certainly in accord on that point.

 

[eohrnberger]

Unfortunately I can't quite accept that idea. ISIS had no "popular mandate"

Well, popular enough by the locals that they gained control of that territory.

and was "governed" by the exercise of naked force (much like a Mexican drug cartel "governs". Thus it qualifies only as a "Banditocracy".

Meh, fair to call it that with the Western frame of reference, but there are frames of reference which might call it legitimate.

We are most certainly in accord on that point.

Agreed. Wondering which foreign military action Biden is going to call for. He does, after all, have to appease that part of his base, doesn't he?