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Trump Thinks ISIS Was Created by One Person

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Trump's simplistic accusations do not reflect the complexity underpinning ISIS of today.

ISIS evolved from Al Qaida, Iraq. Al Qaida Iraq was formed by George Bush, Abu Ghraib, Fallujah, Black Water contractors, and the invasion of Iraq. Al Qaida was created by Osama bin Laden, with he help of the resentment of Western interference wit the Middle East, back to the time of Eisenhower, Allen and John Foster Dulles..


The naming of Dulles Airport is as much a cause of ISIS as any single person.




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Trump's simplistic accusations do not reflect the complexity underpinning ISIS of today.

ISIS evolved from Al Qaida, Iraq. Al Qaida Iraq was formed by George Bush, Abu Ghraib, Fallujah, Black Water contractors, and the invasion of Iraq. Al Qaida was created by Osama bin Laden, with he help of the resentment of Western interference wit the Middle East, back to the time of Eisenhower, Allen and John Foster Dulles..


The naming of Dulles Airport is as much a cause of ISIS as any single person.




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Now you know that Trump understands that. You are just nitpicking and exaggeration on Trump's part. If you really believe that he believes Obama actually personally created ISIS then you are even more loony than he is.
 

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Trump's simplistic accusations do not reflect the complexity underpinning ISIS of today.

ISIS evolved from Al Qaida, Iraq. Al Qaida Iraq was formed by George Bush, Abu Ghraib, Fallujah, Black Water contractors, and the invasion of Iraq. Al Qaida was created by Osama bin Laden, with he help of the resentment of Western interference wit the Middle East, back to the time of Eisenhower, Allen and John Foster Dulles..


The naming of Dulles Airport is as much a cause of ISIS as any single person.




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You claim that ISIS wasn't created by obama, then turn around and claim that AQI was created by Bush. That's like saying that FDR created the Baader-Meinhof gang.
 

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You claim that ISIS wasn't created by obama, then turn around and claim that AQI was created by Bush. That's like saying that FDR created the Baader-Meinhof gang.


The issue is that Trump is unaware of he importance of insults in the Arab and Muslim world. Trump is continuing to FEED ISIL with insults. The first step to defeating ISIS, is to stop needlessly and unnecessarily insulting Arabs ad Muslims.


https://fas.org/irp/agency/army/arabculture.pdf


Trump is unfit to be US President, because he is unable to stop needlessly insulting Arabs and Muslims.



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Who was president when AQ formed and grew to the global threat that culminated in the downing of the Twin Towers?
 

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The issue is that Trump is unaware of he importance of insults in the Arab and Muslim world. Trump is continuing to FEED ISIL with insults. The first step to defeating ISIS, is to stop needlessly and unnecessarily insulting Arabs ad Muslims.


https://fas.org/irp/agency/army/arabculture.pdf


Trump is unfit to be US President, because he is unable to stop needlessly insulting Arabs and Muslims.



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Did ISIS exist before these "insults" from Donald Trump became headlines?
 

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Trump's simplistic accusations do not reflect the complexity underpinning ISIS of today.

ISIS evolved from Al Qaida, Iraq. Al Qaida Iraq was formed by George Bush, Abu Ghraib, Fallujah, Black Water contractors, and the invasion of Iraq. Al Qaida was created by Osama bin Laden, with he help of the resentment of Western interference wit the Middle East, back to the time of Eisenhower, Allen and John Foster Dulles..


The naming of Dulles Airport is as much a cause of ISIS as any single person.




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Interesting that you leave Bill Clinton out of the equation. And you give Obama a pass as well. Hard to take you seriously when you start a thread a post that ignores realty for the sake of partisan gain. Sort of exactly what you accuse trump of doing. Pot, meet kettle.
 

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The title of the thread is ridiculous. You don't appreciate sarcasm.
 

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The issue is that Trump is unaware of he importance of insults in the Arab and Muslim world. Trump is continuing to FEED ISIL with insults. The first step to defeating ISIS, is to stop needlessly and unnecessarily insulting Arabs ad Muslims.


https://fas.org/irp/agency/army/arabculture.pdf


Trump is unfit to be US President, because he is unable to stop needlessly insulting Arabs and Muslims.



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Oh please. ISIS didn't even exist before Obama and now after eight years of Obama playing politically correct Mr. Nice Guy, ISIS has increased exponentially. Apparently that didn't work.
 

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Now you know that Trump understands that. You are just nitpicking and exaggeration on Trump's part. If you really believe that he believes Obama actually personally created ISIS then you are even more loony than he is.

The truth is that Trump has no idea. His intellectually lazy with no command of the world geo-political situation. He does not have particular expert opinion around him. If our observations of how he listens to his advisors are any indication, he wouldn't listen to those experts if they were there.

Trump telling us that Obama founded ISIS is extremely problematic in its own right.... though I am beginning to form the mindset that it is part of his intentional self-destruction as he realizes the truth that he doesn't want the job because he knows he can't do it.
 

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Interesting that you leave Bill Clinton out of the equation. And you give Obama a pass as well. Hard to take you seriously when you start a thread a post that ignores realty for the sake of partisan gain. Sort of exactly what you accuse trump of doing. Pot, meet kettle.


Oh please. ISIS didn't even exist before Obama and now after eight years of Obama playing politically correct Mr. Nice Guy, ISIS has increased exponentially. Apparently that didn't work.

No, ISIS was pretty much formed when the US elected to disband the Iraqi military shortly after the invasion of Iraq. Sending the entire army to the unemployment office wasn't really a particularly good idea... the soldiers just did what they were trained to do, start a new army.

What is ISIS? | Tony Blair Faith Foundation

From article:

"....ISIS can trace its roots back to 2002, when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi – a Jordanian who was to gain notoriety in the Iraqi insurgency from 2003-6 – founded a jihadi organisation called Tawhid wal-Jihad in the north of Iraq. Zarqawi had been linked with al-Qaeda while in Afghanistan in the late '90s, but was not a member of the group and disagreed with the tactic of focusing on the 'far enemy' (the West) as opposed to the 'near enemy' (rulers in the Islamic world). Following the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Zarqawi's organisation grew more active and affiliated itself to al-Qaeda in 2004, becoming al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI). Despite the tactical differences, this made a useful alliance of convenience: Zarqawi's organisation gained the recruiting and resourcing benefits of being part of a global and credible jihadi organisation, while al-Qaeda gained an affiliate in Iraq, already by that stage the global centre of jihad...."


Foundations of the Islamic State: Management, Money, and Terror in Iraq, 2005?2010 | RAND

One can make the argument that ISIS was allowed to prosper under Obama, but it was founded well before most of us even heard the name "obama"
 
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Oh please. ISIS didn't even exist before Obama and now after eight years of Obama playing politically correct Mr. Nice Guy, ISIS has increased exponentially. Apparently that didn't work.

Needlessly insulting Arabs and Islam is not the way to defeat ISIS. Obama has made significant strides in reducing territory that ISiS controlled a few years ago. The Sunni and Shiite factions in Iraq are making progress in regaining territory that has been held by ISIS for a few years. Obama is being polite and winning, in spite of Trump trying to serve his personal whims of sarcasm.
 

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Did ISIS exist before these "insults" from Donald Trump became headlines?


Donald Trump has claimed he will defeat ISIS In one day. Donald Trump's insults to Arabs and Muslims did not create ISIS. But ISIS is an ideology, and cannot be defeated in entirely conventional approaches. Arab and Muslim culture is more sensitive to insults, and revenge or retaliation are common in the culture. So needlessly and thoughtlessly shouting insults to ISIL, is counterproductive to Trump's stated aim to defeat ISIS.

Trump says he wants our allies to do more to defeat ISIS. Like what, think up more antagonizing insults to justify retaliation and revenge by ISIL for ill tempered, Western remarks?

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Donald Trump has claimed he will defeat ISIS In one day. Donald Trump's insults to Arabs and Muslims did not create ISIS. But ISIS is an ideology, and cannot be defeated in entirely conventional approaches. Arab and Muslim culture is more sensitive to insults, and revenge or retaliation are common in the culture. So needlessly and thoughtlessly shouting insults to ISIL, is counterproductive to Trump's stated aim to defeat ISIS.

Trump says he wants our allies to do more to defeat ISIS. Like what, think up more antagonizing insults to justify retaliation and revenge b ISIL for ill tempered Western remarks?

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When did he say one day?
 

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When did he say one day?


I personally heard Trump make that claim several months ago. Here is a text of Trump's speeches.


Donald Trump 2016 Online - Make America Great Again!



Here is a statement by trump that he will defeat ISIS quickly:


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/lp/we-...m=g_list_cpc&gclid=CNWa0NmHys4CFcxbhgodRDUKRw

Making insults to ISIS is not the way to defeat ISIS.

https://books.google.com/books?id=L...A#v=onepage&q=arab insult retaliation&f=false

https://www.google.com/?#q=arab+insult+retaliation




What would be helpful if Western leaders explained that insults to Islam and Arab world are counter productive to achieving peace, or at least, reducing violence, with the believers in the Caliphate.









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George Bush decided on regime change. His Daddy was smart enough NOT to do that. I would really like to get a replay of that discussion between the two of them.

George Bush was TOLD by the intelligence community that there was NO ACALADIA presence in Iraq. George Bush told his intelligence staff to FIND a reason to invade Iraq. They did and it was lame. There were not WMD. Those are well documented historical facts.

All that blood and maiming on both sides is on George Bush's head not to mention the COST that swelled the national debt the GOP now blames Obama for. I sure hope there are instant Replays at St. Peters gate. I want to see George looking for his 'spin guy' on that day. Who knows, I might be able to be behind the gate with a bunch of Arabs and Veterans demonstrating for him to be sent to Hell.

Those are the undeniable facts of HISTORY.

Obama inherited Iraq. The news at the time said, 'Bush broke it and now Obama has to fix it." I said, at some point in his administration he will have to say, "Iraq has had its chance to be a Democracy - Bye."
Several times he came close and said it 'diplomatically' back when discussing troop withdrawals, military aid, etc. ISIS emerged out of Syria and northern Iraq who were sucking the hind tit of Iraq's economy. As the region destabilized, the President of the US whoever it was, HAD to curtail the rise of ISIS. No choice and basically every policy had as much potential downside as upside.
 

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Trump's simplistic accusations do not reflect the complexity underpinning ISIS of today.

ISIS evolved from Al Qaida, Iraq. Al Qaida Iraq was formed by George Bush, Abu Ghraib, Fallujah, Black Water contractors, and the invasion of Iraq. Al Qaida was created by Osama bin Laden, with he help of the resentment of Western interference wit the Middle East, back to the time of Eisenhower, Allen and John Foster Dulles..

The naming of Dulles Airport is as much a cause of ISIS as any single person.


It still wouldn't have come into being but for the Syrian civil war, which provided a concentrated place for all the bad elements to join into a coherent fighting force. We wouldn't have seen ISIS without the Syrian civil war (which is the main reason everyone who blames Obama for ISIS is being dishonest: the warnings about pulling out of Iraq were centered on the possibility of sectarian violence within Iraq blowing up again, not some foreign-born fighting force deciding to conquer parts of Iraq and Syria to form a new caliphate).
 

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You claim that ISIS wasn't created by obama, then turn around and claim that AQI was created by Bush. That's like saying that FDR created the Baader-Meinhof gang.

ISIS was born of the vacuum created by the Syrian civil war. Al Queda wasn't created by the vacuum resulting from our removal of Saddam from power (and more importantly, our failure to do anything realistic to keep the country organized), but it sure was helped along.

If we had left Iraq alone and focused on Afghanistan, Al Queda would not have room to grow in Iraq under Saddam. They might still flee to Pakistan and work from there. We'd have more of a tyrannical iron-fisted reign in Iraq, sure, but not a hotbed for terrorist activity. Saddam was more brutal than the terrorists.
 
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