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Trump Taps Palantir to Compile Data on Americans

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Trump Taps Palantir to Compile Data on Americans​

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/30/technology/trump-palantir-data-americans.html
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The Trump administration has expanded Palantir's work with the government, spreading the company's technology — which could easily merge data on Americans — throughout agencies.

In March, President Trump signed an executive order calling for the federal government to share data across agencies, raising questions over whether he might compile a master list of personal information on Americans that could give him untold surveillance power.

Mr. Trump has not publicly talked about the effort since. But behind the scenes, officials have quietly put technological building blocks into place to enable his plan. In particular, they have turned to one company: Palantir, the data analysis and technology firm.

The Trump administration has expanded Palantir's work across the federal government in recent months. The company has received more than $113 million in federal government spending since Mr. Trump took office, according to public records, including additional funds from existing contracts as well as new contracts with the Department of Homeland Security and the Pentagon. (This does not include a $795 million contract that the Department of Defense awarded the company last week, which has not been spent.)

Representatives of Palantir are also speaking to at least two other agencies — the Social Security Administration and the Internal Revenue Service — about buying its technology, according to six government officials and Palantir employees with knowledge of the discussions.

The push has put a key Palantir product called Foundry into at least four federal agencies, including D.H.S. and the Health and Human Services Department. Widely adopting Foundry, which organizes and analyzes data, paves the way for Mr. Trump to easily merge information from different agencies, the government officials said.

Creating detailed portraits of Americans based on government data is not just a pipe dream. The Trump administration has already sought access to hundreds of data points on citizens and others through government databases, including their bank account numbers, the amount of their student debt, their medical claims and any disability status.

Mr. Trump could potentially use such information to advance his political agenda by policing immigrants and punishing critics, Democratic lawmakers and critics have said. Privacy advocates, student unions and labor rights organizations have filed lawsuits to block data access, questioning whether the government could weaponize people's personal information.
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I'm going to try to simplify what this means, and how it could go very wrong. 'Plantir Technologies' was started about 10 years ago by Alex Carp, and one of Project 2025s authors, and billionaire, Peter Thiel.

Information collected by the four federal agencies, Social Security Administration, D.H.S., Dept of Health and Human Services, and the Dept of Defense, have all kept their data and technology separate and apart. There's a reason for keeping all this data securely in their own agencies rather than bundling all the data together into one program. We have privacy laws in place, and there's a reason why each agency has kept its own 'silo' of information separate from the others.

It would be a national security nightmare if all this data is allowed to be compiled in one place. Imagine if you're a Russian hacker, an Iranian hacker or one from China, and they want to find data on Americans, they currently have to hack into multiple agencies and hack into each separate database. If all that data is in one convenient place for them, it most assuredly be the single most sought-out target for hackers. When people file their income tax for instance, they have to give information to the IRS that nobody would want to be made public, or to be hacked. The IRS holds this information securely and, thankfully, has denied DOGE access to any of it. Immigrants file income tax returns, as a matter of fact, immigrants paid $66 billion in income taxes last year. Americans have been assured a high level of privacy when they give that information to the IRS.

There are many lawsuits filed against this happening. However, lawsuits move slowly and once data is merged and information is all brought together, it's not easily untangled and sorted out. Even if courts caught up and moved fast, once data is put together, and this has already begun happening, there's nothing that can be done about it.
 
So, it's what I thought it was all along. A scheme to defraud the citizen taxpayers of every last cent in the U.S. treasury et al., and take it all for themselves and their billionaire overlords while making any claims by the citizens irrelevant. It won't stop there of course. The country will be a criminal dictatorship where the citizens will be reduced to slave labor, and they'll do it if they want to keep breathing.
The only chink in the armor I can see is the fact that the citizenry has all the guns, a few hundred million of them. Gee, I wonder what could happen if that many people got organized. Take a look at the end of Mussolini, or Ceausescu, if you want a look at the real potential of America's future! 😏
 
I am not sure of the end goal but have my suspicions.

On a different topic, this has to be pointed out
The company has received more than $113 million in federal government spending since Mr. Trump took office,
DOGE at work.
Thank you MAGA.
 
So, it's what I thought it was all along. A scheme to defraud the citizen taxpayers of every last cent in the U.S. treasury et al., and take it all for themselves and their billionaire overlords while making any claims by the citizens irrelevant. It won't stop there of course. The country will be a criminal dictatorship where the citizens will be reduced to slave labor, and they'll do it if they want to keep breathing.
The only chink in the armor I can see is the fact that the citizenry has all the guns, a few hundred million of them. Gee, I wonder what could happen if that many people got organized. Take a look at the end of Mussolini, or Ceausescu, if you want a look at the real potential of America's future! 😏
Michael Flynn suggested martial law long ago. And, that's exactly what would happen. There would be civilians shooting National Guardsmen, and vice versa. Game over.
 
This would include data on MAGA and their families.
 
Michael Flynn suggested martial law long ago. And, that's exactly what would happen. There would be civilians shooting National Guardsmen, and vice versa. Game over.
I'm talking about a possibility. The citizens outnumber the military by a huge margin, and the gun totals in citizens hands would be the game over if they could/should get organized. Usually, that is not necessary if the government, or leader, is behaving horrendously, which is already the case in the U.S., if you consider what happened to Hussein, Gaddafi, Mussolini, Ceausescu etc. The wildcard is that the majority of voters elected Trump after he did what he did in 2021, and despite the obvious, they don't seem to care when he tells them to their face he will steal from them. This is the benefit of creating a well nurtured cult of hate ahead of time.
 
:ROFLMAO:

FFS

We KNOW that agencies are operating on antiquated software and dont communicate with one another re social resources and beneficiaries. making known data accessible to agencies is now 'diabolical'? I guarantee you...there is more publicly accessible information on every one of us on the internet bought and sold daily than what the government has.

That doesnt mean the government should be intruding in peoples lives. It DOES mean it should operate more efficiently. Had it done so, I wouldn't have needed to submit information and evidence literally from grade school on when I needed to renew my passport...they could have simply checked the database to determine that i was a fully vetted military member with a TS/SCI clearance and all this crap has been done already...numerous times.
 
Remember, the creator of Palantir, and its current CEO are radical anti-democracy ideologues. They are a weapon of oligarchy against citizens. They are used to empower dictatorships, defeating citizens (including killing them) globally. If there was a scenario described of the US government becoming a tyranny over the American people, the IT weapon used to do it would be Palantir.

A crude analogy would be to say Palantir is Skynet - not in the hands of the machines, but in the hands of tyrants.
 
The NYT would not have an issue with this under a democrat administration. Just more partisan hyperventilating from them and their toadies.
 
:ROFLMAO:

FFS

We KNOW that agencies are operating on antiquated software and dont communicate with one another re social resources and beneficiaries. making known data accessible to agencies is now 'diabolical'? I guarantee you...there is more publicly accessible information on every one of us on the internet bought and sold daily than what the government has.

That doesnt mean the government should be intruding in peoples lives. It DOES mean it should operate more efficiently. Had it done so, I wouldn't have needed to submit information and evidence literally from grade school on when I needed to renew my passport...they could have simply checked the database to determine that i was a fully vetted military member with a TS/SCI clearance and all this crap has been done already...numerous times.

So just to be clear, for the sake of efficiency you would be okay with our Federal government having a comprehensive profile on you and ever single member of your family? Because keep in mind, this would include:

1. Your income.
2. Your entire medical history information, through HHS, the VA, Medicare, and Social Security (if you were disabled).
3. Your criminal record.
4. Your travel history, because your license plates can be tracked to say nothing of plane or train tickets.
5. Any and and all non-cash purchases that are run through banks and credit unions, because whenever you use your credit card or use your bank's debit cards, that information can be tracked. So the government will know ever place you have visited and every good or service you purchase with a card or bank check.
6. Your internet search history that is not run through a VPN, and the sites you have logged into and the things you have said on those sites from your IP address, including on this site.
7. Your television watching habits if you have a Smart TV, like a Samsung.
8. A transcript of everything you have ever said in the presence of your Apple or Samsung smart phone, as it is recording you at all times, even the things you mutter under your breath as you are driving about the town. And now the Smart Phone can and likely does scrape that data and gives it to the NSA, either willingly or unwillingly.

In the end, the Federal government would know you more intimately than your wife, predicting ever single one of your movements from a rich tapestry of data that it will collect from you over the days, months and years.

Is that really worth handing over the Federal government for the sake of getting a passport a day or two sooner? Only the guilty need fear anything?
 
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So just to be clear, for the sake of efficiency you would be okay with our Federal government having a comprehensive profile on you and ever single member of your family? Because keep in mind, this would include:

1. Your income.
2. Your entire medical history information, through HHS, the VA, Medicare, and Social Security (if you were disabled).
3. Your criminal record.
4. Your travel history, because your license plates can be tracked to say nothing of plane or train tickets.
5. Any and and all non-cash purchases that are run through banks and credit unions, because whenever you use your credit card or use your bank's debit cards, that information can be tracked. So the government will know ever place you have visited and every good or service you purchase with a card or bank check.
6. Your internet search history that is not run through a VPN, and the sites you have logged into and the things you have said on those sites from your IP address, including on this site.
7. Your television watching habits if you have a Smart TV, like a Samsung.
8. A transcript of everything you have ever said in the presence of your Apple or Samsung smart phone, as it is recording you at all times, even the things you mutter under your breath as you are driving about the town. And now the Smart Phone can and likely does scrape that data and gives it to the NSA, either willingly or unwillingly.

In the end, the Federal government would know you more intimately than your wife, predicting ever single one of your movements from a rich tapestry of data that it will collect from you over the days, months and years.

Is that really worth handing over the Federal government for the sake of getting a passport a day or two sooner? Only the guilty need fear anything?
What data does the government have on you when you file for services?

Because...that...

thats what should be compiled and coordinated. And if you actually read the post you responded to you would have known that and wouldnt have had to waste your time posting the other ridiculous shit.
 
Does it get any more ridiculous than people voting for a convicted financial fraud felon as Chief Executive for the first time in the once proud U.S.'s history? No, that stands out there facing the world as ridiculous AF.
 
I'm talking about a possibility. The citizens outnumber the military by a huge margin, and the gun totals in citizens hands would be the game over if they could/should get organized. Usually, that is not necessary if the government, or leader, is behaving horrendously, which is already the case in the U.S., if you consider what happened to Hussein, Gaddafi, Mussolini, Ceausescu etc. The wildcard is that the majority of voters elected Trump after he did what he did in 2021, and despite the obvious, they don't seem to care when he tells them to their face he will steal from them. This is the benefit of creating a well nurtured cult of hate ahead of time.

Except gun ownership overwhelmingly skews towards conservatives and conservatives would be siding with the Trump government.
 
More personal data in the hands of Thiel? Will not end well for anyone.
 
Except gun ownership overwhelmingly skews towards conservatives and conservatives would be siding with the Trump government.

Yeah. That really needs to change.
 
Except gun ownership overwhelmingly skews towards conservatives and conservatives would be siding with the Trump government.
At all costs, even to themselves and their families? If so, you describe a brainwashed cult perfectly.
 
One commentary on trump and Palantir.

 
The NYT would not have an issue with this under a democrat administration. Just more partisan hyperventilating from them and their toadies.
Democrats and Leftists love Authoritarianism as long as they get to be the Authoritarians.

Obama spied on Americans, threw journalists and their sources in prison, and ordered the killing of four American citizens without due process. Also, Bill Clinton started the practice of extraordinary rendition that George W. Bush got excoriated for during the War on Terror. Yet, Obama and Clinton are beloved figures in the Democrat Party.

Mark
 
Democrats and Leftists love Authoritarianism as long as they get to be the Authoritarians.

Obama spied on Americans, threw journalists and their sources in prison, and ordered the killing of four American citizens without due process. Also, Bill Clinton started the practice of extraordinary rendition that George W. Bush got excoriated for during the War on Terror. Yet, Obama and Clinton are beloved figures in the Democrat Party.

Mark
So... is this move by Trump a good thing or a bad thing?
 
So just to be clear, for the sake of efficiency you would be okay with our Federal government having a comprehensive profile on you and ever single member of your family? Because keep in mind, this would include:

1. Your income.
2. Your entire medical history information, through HHS, the VA, Medicare, and Social Security (if you were disabled).
3. Your criminal record.
4. Your travel history, because your license plates can be tracked to say nothing of plane or train tickets.
5. Any and and all non-cash purchases that are run through banks and credit unions, because whenever you use your credit card or use your bank's debit cards, that information can be tracked. So the government will know ever place you have visited and every good or service you purchase with a card or bank check.
6. Your internet search history that is not run through a VPN, and the sites you have logged into and the things you have said on those sites from your IP address, including on this site.
7. Your television watching habits if you have a Smart TV, like a Samsung.
8. A transcript of everything you have ever said in the presence of your Apple or Samsung smart phone, as it is recording you at all times, even the things you mutter under your breath as you are driving about the town. And now the Smart Phone can and likely does scrape that data and gives it to the NSA, either willingly or unwillingly.

In the end, the Federal government would know you more intimately than your wife, predicting ever single one of your movements from a rich tapestry of data that it will collect from you over the days, months and years.

Is that really worth handing over the Federal government for the sake of getting a passport a day or two sooner? Only the guilty need fear anything?

Ime decent politicians would be vigorously protecting/defending personal privacy... but these cretinous Republicrat shit puppet$ engage in and enable the erosion of personal privacy..

Ime people with an honest understanding of "the just government" understand that 'the people are the masters of government'....that the government is the servant/the tool of the people...but ime unfortunatlely many/most Republicrat-level people believe the opposite....
 
So... is this move by Trump a good thing or a bad thing?
From what I little I know of it, it sounds like a bad thing.
But I'm not a Trump supporter and expect him to do things like this.

Mark
 
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