Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in USA

[Tanngrisnir]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

Purposefully by his ideology, world view and as a result, his policies? No, it's not crazy at all.

Purposefully as in, "let's let people here in the US have free reign to do whatever they want"? Yes. That is crazy


Obama has a multi-polar globalist world view which in no small part includes a silent chapter which involves a return of a Caliphate. Not this one, ISIS. I'm not saying that, but he definitely -- if you look at his ME policies with open eyes -- wants that. He can't say it. You'll never see a piece of paper with his name on it declaring it, but while I believe Obama is many things, stupid isn't one of them.

Wow. Paranoia and Fantasy Land nonsense not based in reality make for a heady brew.

 

[Zyphlin]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

The top post is your strawman again. That the messenger (Trump) is wrong rather than the message. You've never posited why the message is wrong, BTW. That's your strawman. It's just rhetoric.

BO has allowed terrorists into the White House before, why not other terrorists - or maybe he'd call them patriots?

Again, you appear to not know what a strawman is.

The messenger in relation to my post isn't "Trump". It's ThinkProgress, via TheDemSocialist. The assertion I made had nothing to do with the veracity of Trumps message. Rather, it was dealing with ThinkProgress's choice to focus on the portion of Trumps comments regarding Obama "purposely allowing muslims to commit terrorist acts in the United States" and their implication that such a notion was sincere (or at best, the focus) for Trump. My post was contending that Trump's actual focus or sincere belief was regarding Obama's lack of Strength, and that the "purposeful" part of his comments was simply a means of strengthening his actual point.

None of which is a strawman.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

Trump may be nuts, but he's never invited the Muslim Brotherhood over to the white house. That would be Obama.

Intelligent and insightful....

How the **** could Trump invite ANYONE to the White House?


Tell me, what's it like to knowingly vote for someone insane?

 

[ChezC3]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

Wow. Paranoia and Fantasy Land nonsense not based in reality make for a heady brew.

If you've nothing intelligent to say don't correspond with me. Thanks.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

If you've nothing intelligent to say don't correspond with me. Thanks.

What I was responding to wasn't intelligent. Claiming Obama wants a caliphate is histrionic nonsense w/no basis in reality.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

Regale us on how you think BO has done a fine job combating terror.

Not being a big fan of Obama it's hard to do, since the only thing to compare to is Bush.

Even if I accept he has not done a good job of fighting terror, that's a more than a few light years from claiming he has fostered and supported terrorism.

Trump is stupid. ****ing stupid as a matter of fact. If he has any such information that Obama has done so, he is guilty of witholding evidence of a threat to the country, making him as guilty of treason as anyone else.

What's scary is his followers are even dumber

 

[ChezC3]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

...

Was my English no good?

 

[cabse5]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

Again, you appear to not know what a strawman is.

The messenger in relation to my post isn't "Trump". It's ThinkProgress, via TheDemSocialist. The assertion I made had nothing to do with the veracity of Trumps message. Rather, it was dealing with ThinkProgress's choice to focus on the portion of Trumps comments regarding Obama "purposely allowing muslims to commit terrorist acts in the United States" and their implication that such a notion was sincere (or at best, the focus) for Trump. My post was contending that Trump's actual focus or sincere belief was regarding Obama's lack of Strength, and that the "purposeful" part of his comments was simply a means of strengthening his actual point.

None of which is a strawman.

Well, you finally posted a well thought out post on this thread. Congratulations. And thanks.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

Purposefully by his ideology, world view and as a result, his policies? No, it's not crazy at all.

Purposefully as in, "let's let people here in the US have free reign to do whatever they want"? Yes. That is crazy

Ummmmm thats not Obama's position.......

Obama has a multi-polar globalist world view which in no small part includes a silent chapter which involves a return of a Caliphate.

What are you talking about?

Not this one, ISIS. I'm not saying that, but he definitely -- if you look at his ME policies with open eyes -- wants that. He can't say it. You'll never see a piece of paper with his name on it declaring it, but while I believe Obama is many things, stupid isn't one of them.

He wants to create a Islamic caliphate in the Middle East? Are you ****ing kidding me? :doh

Domestically he is trying to protect a segment of the population who rightly should be protected. He however is going about it in all the wrong ways. As asinine as the cat calls about him not saying the words "Islamic terrorism" is, so to is his not using them to differentiate between traditional, classical Islam and the perverted ideology which has taken on the mantle of Islam. It's kind of like Pro Abortion politicians or organizations who call themselves Catholic. They're not, but that hasn't stopped them from using the name anyhow.

By not making a clear cut distinction Obama has legitimized those perverts of Islam in the eyes of Islam's critics and in the eyes of the perverts themselves. A teaching in Islam is that you can never speak ill of another Muslim -- By not identifying these perverts as Muslims he is free to give a general condemnation all the while providing the image in the minds of these perverts that he is silently complicit in jihad against the infidels.

1.)So because he is not uttering the words "Islamic Terrorism" that means he is complicit? How would uttering the words "Islamic Terrorism" do anything? Would the Islamic Terrorists just be like, "well oh ****! He said it. We give up"? Its not a policy position.
2.)You said he has not made a distinction? Umm.. Yes he has. Just because he wont say, "Islamic terrorism" does not mean he has not stated a distinction.

This also involves policies of political correctness which he has encouraged and allowed to flourish.

Oh god....

This is why ever recent attack has shown the hind sight bias, or the flat out declarations that "Well I would have said something, but I didn't want to appear racist."

Ummmm.... What?

You people try to shame a segment of the population and thereby have made them impotent by creating an environment in which vigilance can be construed as racism.

We have? What?

In that manner, yes, Obama has purposefully allowed these attacks to take place because his policies and rhetoric have helped to make people who otherwise might be questioned allowed a free pass to go and commit the atrocities that they commit.

:lamo You have created one big straw-man

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

Muslim Brotherhood delegation meets with White House officials - POLITICO

Sorry, you lose.

The United States and NATO do not recognize the Mulsim Brotherhood as a terrorist group.


Do you Trumpets aver get tired of being totally wrong on everything? I would. But you've all become the alter image of Obama supporters, blind, deaf and loud

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

Now you're lying

My statement is not far off at all. The topic of this thread and the sources cited are about Obama's reluctance to call it what it is.

My comments are the only relevant facts.

Obama had terrorist group to the white house. That's what gives Americans this idea.

Now you post something relevant.

11Bravo, do some homework. The Muslim Brotherhood is NOT recognized as a terrorist group by the United States and it allies.

Find another issue.

 

[bubbabgone]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

Uh huh.

1. Obama meets with American Muslim leaders a year and a half ago.
2. ?
3. ?
4. ?
5. Mass shooting in Florida night club.

I look forward to you filling in #2-#4. Or maybe you just want to go with Trump's stellar explanation.

2. Refuses to use the term Islamic radical terrorist after Fort Hood.
3. Refuses to use the term Islamic radical terrorist after San Bernardino.
4. Refuses to use the term Islamic radical terrorist after Orlando.

 

[dcaraz]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

In that manner, yes, Obama has purposefully allowed these attacks to take place because his policies and rhetoric have helped to make people who otherwise might be questioned allowed a free pass to go and commit the atrocities that they commit.

What free pass to commit atrocities has this president provided exactly?
Do you refer to the countless times BO has had to address the US citizens following yet another bloody massacre here in our schools, movies, malls and clubs?
So, in your mind this hateful act of insanity and evil is BO's fault?
May I point out that since taking office BO has directed an on-going military seek and destroy mission against terrorist leadership across multiple countries.
He has also called upon Congress to outlaw sales of automatic assault weapons -- with no GOP support.

 

[cabse5]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

Sorry, you lose.

The United States and NATO do not recognize the Mulsim Brotherhood as a terrorist group.


Do you Trumpets aver get tired of being totally wrong on everything? I would. But you've all become the alter image of Obama supporters, blind, deaf and loud

Here, again, is another strawman argument. Fearandloathing is putting forth that all Trump supporters think the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization. For example, I'm a Trump supporter and I don't think the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization. What you mean, Fearandlothing, is Fenton <and only Fenton in this example> thinks the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization. Or Trump supporters are wrong about everything.

I guess one man's terrorist is another man's patriot. One man's fascist is another man's lover of liberty. To get back on this discussion: I think BO's sense of what is terrorism and what is not is off kilter. Isn't in the best interests of America.

 

[Wiggen]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

Regale us on how you think BO has done a fine job combating terror.

There are a lot of dead terrorists because of Barack Obama. Starting with Osama Bin Laden. You just don't like the fact that Obama has waged war on terrorists ever since he took office. Deal with it.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

2. Refuses to use the term Islamic radical terrorist after Fort Hood.
3. Refuses to use the term Islamic radical terrorist after San Bernardino.
4. Refuses to use the term Islamic radical terrorist after Orlando.

Wow. You have a really bizarre conception of what cause and effect are.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

BLM, dude.

What????


Black lives matter is a terrorist organization?


Please tell me, without using the infantile word 'dude', is there anything that the Trumpets aren't frightened of? You're ****ting bricks over Mexicans because they sneak in and because their Mexicans are incapable of being unbiased. You're terrified of "liberals", right in here is a post claiming socialism has killed "millions". You're terrified of a woman in power, and afraid your own workers can't compete in a free market economy. And with the blood still wet in EVERY mass shooting, the first reaction to one, blame Obama and two, re-insist on your right to bear arms to protect yourselves from one another.

So please, amid all this neuroses and paranoia, can you list who and what you are NOT afraid of?

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

Here, again, is another strawman argument. Fearandloathing is putting forth that all Trump supporters think the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization. For example, I'm a Trump supporter and I don't think the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization. What you mean, Fearandlothing, is Fenton <and only Fenton in this example> thinks the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization. Or Trump supporters are wrong about everything.

I guess one man's terrorist is another man's patriot. One man's fascist is another man's lover of liberty. To get back on this discussion: I think BO's sense of what is terrorism and what is not is off kilter. Isn't in the best interests of America.

LIE!

Good bye

 

[Wiggen]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

Here, again, is another strawman argument. Fearandloathing is putting forth that all Trump supporters think the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization. For example, I'm a Trump supporter and I don't think the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization. What you mean, Fearandlothing, is Fenton <and only Fenton in this example> thinks the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization. Or being wrong about everything.

I guess one man's terrorist is another man's patriot. One man's fascist is another man's lover of liberty. To get back on this discussion: I think BO's sense of what is terrorism and what is not is off kilter. Isn't in the best interests of America.

Whereas banning 1.4 billion people from entering the United States because of the God they worship is in our best interest? Oh, and don't forget killing of suspected terrorists spouses and children whether or not they've actually done anything. That last one was so outrageous the military said they wouldn't obey any such order.

Donald Trump reiterates desire to murder terrorists' families | Americas | News | The Independent

Yeah, that's a jewel of a candidate you are supporting.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

With all due respect, he came with an iron clad argument.
The Obama administration did in fact meet with the MB.
If a debate on that issue is what you're looking for, then engage, but to make a snipe about bumper sticker soundbites, IMO just demonstrates your own frustrations.

I don't usually jump in, but you have. Please read Cardinal's posts before making a total ass of yourself.

 

[cabse5]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

What????


Black lives matter is a terrorist organization?


Please tell me, without using the infantile word 'dude', is there anything that the Trumpets aren't frightened of? You're ****ting bricks over Mexicans because they sneak in and because their Mexicans are incapable of being unbiased. You're terrified of "liberals", right in here is a post claiming socialism has killed "millions". You're terrified of a woman in power, and afraid your own workers can't compete in a free market economy. And with the blood still wet in EVERY mass shooting, the first reaction to one, blame Obama and two, re-insist on your right to bear arms to protect yourselves from one another.

So please, amid all this neuroses and paranoia, can you list who and what you are NOT afraid of?

Immigration law is still the law passed by both houses of congress and ignored by the BO administration. As BO once ignominiously said, 'This country is governed by the rule of law (which he promptly destroyed with his immigration EOs).'

 

[bubbabgone]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

Wow. Paranoia and Fantasy Land nonsense not based in reality make for a heady brew.

Wow. You have a really bizarre conception of what cause and effect are.

Wow ... you surprise easily.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

Every good debate is fluid. In part of this thread Religious killings were compared to Socialist killings. A common left wing totalitarian tactic is to silence the opposition when they start losing the debate. Nice try, you lost and I'm done with this thread.

Except no evidence of "socialist" killings was presented so there is no comparison.

And you're now all off topic

 

[matchlight]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

Spoken like a true Trump supporter. Excuse Trump lies, bull****, conspiracy theories because of OBAMA!

Are you denying that Obama invited them? Members of Muslim Brotherhood front groups such as CAIR, IIIT, and ISNA have been regular guests at this administration's official functions. Whether that fact is stated by someone who supports Donald Trump is irrelevant to its truth.

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in US

This thread is a disgraceful bloody ****ing mess. It started out with such promise, too. How the **** did we end up with BLM being a terrorist organization?

And as far as Trump, he's as disgusting as the idiots who said similarly shocking **** about George W, Bush. I can't wait until November when I never have to see that slobbering idiot's face again.