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Trump Suggests Obama Is Purposely Allowing Muslims To Commit Terrorist Acts in USA

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Regale me with a comment that has anything to do with what I posted.

My post doesn't suggest anything relating to the quality of Obama's job at combatting terror, and your...mine...or anyone elses opinion on the matter is irrelevant to my point.

My point was this...

Arguing that Obama is "not tough" or "not smart" in a broad sense is a difficult one to sell widely, if for no other reason than the basic notions of partisanship and tribalism where a strong segment of the population would naturally react negatively towards such a suggestion about someone they voted for/someone in their party/the POTUS.

However, said argument softens in terms of peoples ability to accept it when placed in an "either or" capacity with something like "The President wants americans to be killed".

Said argument is not aimed at people like you who are likely on the bandwagon for Trump; there's no need to convince those who are already convinced. This style of argument, this style of sales, is aimed at those more on the fence and thus able to still be potentially persuaded/manipulated towards his direction.

I think there is also an aspect of adding something outrageous to ensure media attention. If Trump is not going to do the fundraising bit(and he apparently is not planning to much), then he needs free media coverage. Adding something outrageous helps him get that free coverage. It is going to be a very long, very annoying, very low class few months between now and the election...
 
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Oh, I don't know about that, because I was thinking "Stephen Colbert" myself.

Failing not as in not being recognizable, but failing in not being terribly entertaining.
 
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Regale me with a comment that has anything to do with what I posted.

My post doesn't suggest anything relating to the quality of Obama's job at combatting terror, and your...mine...or anyone elses opinion on the matter is irrelevant to my point.

My point was this...

Arguing that Obama is "not tough" or "not smart" in a broad sense is a difficult one to sell widely, if for no other reason than the basic notions of partisanship and tribalism where a strong segment of the population would naturally react negatively towards such a suggestion about someone they voted for/someone in their party/the POTUS.

However, said argument softens in terms of peoples ability to accept it when placed in an "either or" capacity with something like "The President wants americans to be killed".

Said argument is not aimed at people like you who are likely on the bandwagon for Trump; there's no need to convince those who are already convinced. This style of argument, this style of sales, is aimed at those more on the fence and thus able to still be potentially persuaded/manipulated towards his direction.
Has BO done enough to combat terror?
 
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Has BO done enough to combat terror?

Not that I actually expect an answer more cogent than anything else you've thus far presented, but please define "enough."

Failing not as in not being recognizable, but failing in not being terribly entertaining.

Yeah, while I'm hearing everything in Stephen Colbert's voice, I'm pretty sure none of this is actually satire.
 
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:doh:dohThis man is the presumptive nominee for the GOP.... I can't believe there is enough people to takes Trump seriously that he is now the presumptive nominee for the GOP. But hey, I guess there are enough crazy people to actually believe this bull**** that Trump says. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Well, of COURSE Obama's doing it! If it's something bad, whatever it may be, Obama must be allowing it or even encouraging it! After all, it's just as nearly a third of Louisiana Republicans believe, the lousy response by the government to Hurricane Katrina was Obama's fault!
 
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I see this as a quasi "when did you stop hitting your wife". Or more specifically the "fat girl in a group of friends" technique.

Trump wants to put forward the message that Obama is weak and dumb, and thus this is why this stuff happens. He then proceeds to put forward the message that the only two options are "weak and dumb" OR "intentionally allowing it".

One is overly simplistic and debatable at best, and by itself would be largely dismissed or glossed over off hand. The other, however, is ludicrous in nature. And as such, it serves as the "Fat girl in a group of friends"....by making the first option look better and more reasonable in comparison.

It's like going "Hey man, you'll race that guy. I mean, unless you're a *****"...thus trying to present two options "race or be a *****".

It's not that uncommon of a sales technique or even just a general social one; put a ludicrous option next to a bad one, and the bad one suddenly seems good.

You don't know what a strawman is, do you?

A strawman generally requires you to be responding to someone making a point. Considering my post wasn't in response to anyone, but was rather speaking about Trump's statement and my guess about his tactics, it's hard to suggest it is a strawman.
The top post is your strawman again. That the messenger (Trump) is wrong rather than the message. You've never posited why the message is wrong, BTW. That's your strawman. It's just rhetoric.

BO has allowed terrorists into the White House before, why not other terrorists - or maybe he'd call them patriots?
 
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Here is your strawman again. That the messenger (Trump) is wrong rather than the message. You've never posited why the messenger is wrong, BTW. It's just rhetoric. BO has allowed terrorists into the White House before, why not other terrorists - or maybe he'd call them patriots?

Repeating a lie over and over again does not make it true. The Muslim Brotherhood is not a terrorist group and BLM is not a terrorist group
 
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Repeating a lie over and over again does not make it true. The Muslim Brotherhood is not a terrorist group and BLM is not a terrorist group
Who said the Muslim brotherhood was a terrorist organization? I said BLM IS a terrorist organization.
 
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You're saying BLM isn't a terrorist organization?

Yes, that is something that I am saying.
 
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Who said the Muslim brotherhood was a terrorist organization? I said BLM IS a terrorist organization.

The United States Government
 
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Well that settles it. Absolutely nothing. Simply a distraction.

Nope. Not the topic of the thread.

Except it doesnt. Glad you're buying into a conspiracy theory based on 0 actual evidence.

BLM isnt a terrorist organization.

I will ask again: How can you embrace Socialism, an Ideology that is consistently proven to be the worst thing to ever happen to the human race?
 
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Yes, that is something that I am saying.
I see. Someone's misery is someone else's freedom?
 
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I will ask again: How can you embrace Socialism, an Ideology that is consistently proven to be the worst thing to ever happen to the human race?

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Try to stay on topic
 
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I will ask again: How can you embrace Socialism, an Ideology that is consistently proven to be the worst thing to ever happen to the human race?

What does his being a socialist have to do with what Trump said?
 
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I will ask again: How can you embrace Socialism, an Ideology that is consistently proven to be the worst thing to ever happen to the human race?

3. Baiting/Flaming/Trolling - To bait someone in a general sense is to make a comment with a purposeful intent to coerce some form of response from the individual. In some cases this device can be a useful tool of debate, eliciting responses to highlight a point or reveal an underlying truth concerning someone’s argument. However, in other cases the intent of the bait is less focused on debating. “Flamebaiting” is making statements intended to cause an angry or emotional response/flame from the person. Another form of baiting is known as “derailing” or “thread-jacking”. This is deliberate act of making statements with an aim of diverting the topic of a thread significantly from its main focus. These negative forms of baiting constitute a rules violation that can potentially lead to a suspension of posting privileges.

Try to stay on topic

Moderator's Warning:
Number 1... this topic is NOT about socialism, so cease derailing. Number 2, do NOT play Mod.
 
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Did you come to this thread armed exclusively with bumper sticker soundbites or did you have an actual argument you'd like to present?
With all due respect, he came with an iron clad argument.
The Obama administration did in fact meet with the MB.
If a debate on that issue is what you're looking for, then engage, but to make a snipe about bumper sticker soundbites, IMO just demonstrates your own frustrations.
 
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So essentially you dont find it a crazy idea that Obama is purposely allowing muslims to commit terrorist acts in the USA because you disagree with his policies... :doh Dear god. :doh

Purposefully by his ideology, world view and as a result, his policies? No, it's not crazy at all.

Purposefully as in, "let's let people here in the US have free reign to do whatever they want"? Yes. That is crazy


Obama has a multi-polar globalist world view which in no small part includes a silent chapter which involves a return of a Caliphate. Not this one, ISIS. I'm not saying that, but he definitely -- if you look at his ME policies with open eyes -- wants that. He can't say it. You'll never see a piece of paper with his name on it declaring it, but while I believe Obama is many things, stupid isn't one of them.

Domestically he is trying to protect a segment of the population who rightly should be protected. He however is going about it in all the wrong ways. As asinine as the cat calls about him not saying the words "Islamic terrorism" is, so to is his not using them to differentiate between traditional, classical Islam and the perverted ideology which has taken on the mantle of Islam. It's kind of like Pro Abortion politicians or organizations who call themselves Catholic. They're not, but that hasn't stopped them from using the name anyhow.

By not making a clear cut distinction Obama has legitimized those perverts of Islam in the eyes of Islam's critics and in the eyes of the perverts themselves. A teaching in Islam is that you can never speak ill of another Muslim -- By not identifying these perverts as Muslims he is free to give a general condemnation all the while providing the image in the minds of these perverts that he is silently complicit in jihad against the infidels.

This also involves policies of political correctness which he has encouraged and allowed to flourish.

This is why ever recent attacks have shown the hind sight bias, or the flat out declarations that "Well I would have said something, but I didn't want to appear racist."

You people try to shame a segment of the population and thereby have made them impotent by creating an environment in which vigilance can be construed as racism.

In that manner, yes, Obama has purposefully allowed these attacks to take place because his policies and rhetoric have helped to make people who otherwise might be questioned allowed a free pass to go and commit the atrocities that they commit.
 
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"Trump makes bull**** conspiracy theories that Obama is purposely allowing Muslims to commit terrorist acts"

Trump supporters response: "Oh yea! OBAMA MET WITH BLACK LIVES MATTER ACTIVISTS ONCE!"

Redress said:
This is really, really complex, so try and follow close: Zyphlin never said Obama did anything. See, I know this because I read his post. Reading Is Fundamental. You should try it...

When you are trying to defend a walking fire dumpster, all you really have (and, to be fair, there's a lot of material there) is to point out how bad the other side also is.
 
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With all due respect, he came with an iron clad argument.
The Obama administration did in fact meet with the MB.
If a debate on that issue is what you're looking for, then engage, but to make a snipe about bumper sticker soundbites, IMO just demonstrates your own frustrations.

I am engaging. I asked him to tie together Obama's meeting with American Muslim leaders with the club shooting. He, like others (and perhaps you based on how you respond to this post) have thus far chosen not to respond to this request.
 
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:doh:dohThis man is the presumptive nominee for the GOP.... I can't believe there is enough people to takes Trump seriously that he is now the presumptive nominee for the GOP. But hey, I guess there are enough crazy people to actually believe this bull**** that Trump says. [/FONT][/COLOR]



It is astonishing how gullible is the American voter. It's embarrassing as Canada is right next door.

But, nonetheless, here we are where the single most un-reliable American makes an incredibly unbelievable and without one shred of evidence, without even one instance as an example, Trumpets buy it, hook, line and sinker.

I figure Obama will go down in history as an otherwise ineffectual president, but a terrorist?

You deserve the government you get.
 
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3. Baiting/Flaming/Trolling - To bait someone in a general sense is to make a comment with a purposeful intent to coerce some form of response from the individual. In some cases this device can be a useful tool of debate, eliciting responses to highlight a point or reveal an underlying truth concerning someone’s argument. However, in other cases the intent of the bait is less focused on debating. “Flamebaiting” is making statements intended to cause an angry or emotional response/flame from the person. Another form of baiting is known as “derailing” or “thread-jacking”. This is deliberate act of making statements with an aim of diverting the topic of a thread significantly from its main focus. These negative forms of baiting constitute a rules violation that can potentially lead to a suspension of posting privileges.




Try to stay on topic

Every good debate is fluid. In part of this thread Religious killings were compared to Socialist killings. A common left wing totalitarian tactic is to silence the opposition when they start losing the debate. Nice try, you lost and I'm done with this thread.
 
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Has BO done enough to combat terror?

Nope.

Do you support conspiracy theorist lunacy?
 
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:doh:dohThis man is the presumptive nominee for the GOP.... I can't believe there is enough people to takes Trump seriously that he is now the presumptive nominee for the GOP. But hey, I guess there are enough crazy people to actually believe this bull**** that Trump says. [/FONT][/COLOR]

:shrug: the man claimed that Bush lied us into war in Iraq, suggested the government knew about 9/11, and claimed that Ted Cruz's father was secretly part of the JFK assassination.

By his standard of insanely-disconnected-from-reality, this is fairly tame.

At least his opposition isn't nutt-aw, crap.
 
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The paranoia, hatred and mistrust that Trump attempts to spew with his never-ending lies, accusations and insane ramblings continues to drag the American two-party system to ever greater lows.
I have to wonder if any of the current Trump supporters know anything regarding this man's personal business dealings?
Mr. Trump's personal history is filled with lies, egotistical boasts regarding his own business acumen, vindictive behavior, and unmitigated selfish greed.
Here are quotes from Sunday's June 12th NY Times article that explains in detail how in 1990 Trump ran up $3.4 BILLION in debt including $820 MILLION to complete his Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City and then left bondholders, shareholders and vendors holding the bag:

"In an August 1990 report, New Jersey regulators warned that "the possibility of a complete financial collapse of the Trump Organization was not out of the question."

"People underestimated Donald Trump's ability to pillage the company," said Sebastian Pignatello, a private investor who at one time held stock in the Trump casinos worth more than $500,000. "He drove these companies into bankruptcy by his mismanagement, the debt and his pillaging."

I pray America wakes up before we allow our Presidency to be pillaged!

"Just over a year after it opened, the Taj Mahal was in bankruptcy court, followed in 1992 by both the Plaza and the Castle (also Trump properties)."

"Mr. Trump now says he looks back on the period as his golden era in the casino business."

"Beth Rosser of West Chester, PA, is still bitter over what happened to her father, whose company Triad Building Specialties nearly collapsed when Mr. Trump took the Taj into bankruptcy."
"Trump crawled his way to the top on the backs of little guys, one of them being my father," said Ms. Rosser,..."He had no regard for thousands of men and women who worked on those projects. He says he'll make America great again, but his past shows the complete opposite of that."

I hope and pray that America does not fall for the Trump act; we can't allow the Presidency to be pillaged.
 
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